List why I was not satisfied with my Ex religion

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I'm actually only culturally Jewish. Religiously I'm a Theist. Why? Because every religion says their way is the right way "and screw everyone else".
 
I'm actually only culturally Jewish. Religiously I'm a Theist. Why? Because every religion says their way is the right way "and screw everyone else".

Multiple choice questions must be a nightmare for you.
 
I'm actually only culturally Jewish. Religiously I'm a Theist. Why? Because every religion says their way is the right way "and screw everyone else".


I never really got the "screw everyone else" vibe from Islam. I find Islam humbling because its followers do not assume that they'll automatically get paradise just because they are Muslim. Reading the Qur'an I did not get the vibe that just because someone is a Christian or Jew that they'd be screwed either...
 
I never really got the "screw everyone else" vibe from Islam. I find Islam humbling because its followers do not assume that they'll automatically get paradise just because they are Muslim. Reading the Qur'an I did not get the vibe that just because someone is a Christian or Jew that they'd be screwed either...

"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." -Qur'an 3:85-

This I do not believe.
 
One thing that does bother me about Christianity are all of these "pseudo-Christians" that pray the prayer to accept Jesus and then go do whatever they want. I have to admit, I was one for a long time. Do whatever you want and not walk the walk and don't worry about it because hey, you have Jesus. You don't have to do anything God tells you because hey, you have Jesus. Go to church once, maybe twice a week, and the rest of the time you do what you want because hey, you have Jesus.

That's why I eventually quit going to church the first time. I was sickened by the lies and the hypocrisy.
 
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." -Qur'an 3:85- This I do not believe.

You quoted the ayat (in english) without having full understanding.
By "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam", it means if someone is properly introduced to Islam, and see that Islam is the truth, and yet still reject it for whatever reason (eg. because they follow the religion of their forefathers, because they don't like some rules, etc), then they will be among the losers.
Example: the christians who come to this forum, and have been shown that worshiping a man god is wrong and endless evidence have been presented to them that their belief is false, and evidence for the truth of Islam have been presented, and yet they reject all evidence and hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what-have-you, do you not think they the ones who wrong themselves?
 
Lily said:
That is a non-answer..

No, its not a non-answer. If it were true it would answer the query. Problem is it is an answer with no evidence whatsoever and that makes little rational sense. Christ is alive to his followers? So, does he appear in dreams? Does he hang out in your basement? Or is he just a warm fuzzy feeling? Regardless of how he "lives in the lives of Christians", if he does, then why do all these christians disagree with each other about what he teaches? Is he telling different people different things on purpose? If you truly have more than the bible to go on and can hear him directly in your lives then really.... why would we see you all going in different directions? Shouldn't it be uniform?
 
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Example: the christians who come to this forum, and have been shown that worshiping a man god is wrong and endless evidence have been presented to them that their belief is false, and evidence for the truth of Islam have been presented, and yet they reject all evidence and hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what-have-you, do you not think they the ones who wrong themselves?[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

No more than the muslims who the Christians invite to "take Jesus as their personal savior and show endless evidence that their muslim belief is false, and the truth of Christainity but hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what have you"" etc...

And certainly no more than us evil atheists who are "shown that god exists and the truth of theism but hang on to their baseless lack of belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what have you" etc...

That kind of reasoning really does run in all directions.
 
You quoted the ayat (in english) without having full understanding. By "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam", it means if someone is properly introduced to Islam, and see that Islam is the truth, and yet still reject it for whatever reason (eg. because they follow the religion of their forefathers, because they don't like some rules, etc), then they will be among the losers. Example: the christians who come to this forum, and have been shown that worshiping a man god is wrong and endless evidence have been presented to them that their belief is false, and evidence for the truth of Islam have been presented, and yet they reject all evidence and hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what-have-you, do you not think they the ones who wrong themselves?


Thank you for making that clarification for him.

Shouldn't it be uniform?
Yes, it should.


No more than the muslims who the Christians invite to "take Jesus as their personal savior and show endless evidence that their muslim belief is false, and the truth of Christainity but hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what have you"" etc...

A bit of a stretch. Even you have to admit that. Being a member on this forum for as long as you have I'm sure you've seen some of the arguments that Christians have put up towards the Muslims, atheists and members of other faiths here and either got confused from the lack of logic and clarity, rolled your eyes or shook your head at it. I know I have and I'm one of them.

That kind of reasoning really does run in all directions.

I have to disagree with you there. I feel that it's not so easy to make a generalization like that. As an atheist, if you don't believe, then you don't believe. I'd rather have ya admit that than sit here and lie to yourself about it. Just because you don't believe doesn't make you evil or arrogant, you just don't believe. Maybe you want to believe but it just hasn't clicked yet. Either way, what is going to happen is going to happen and I'm not going to sit here and stare you down waiting for you to join us theists or call you names because you haven't done it fast enough. It's your life. If you're content then you're content but I am happy seeing that you have a desire and curiosity to learn or else you wouldn't be here on this forum for as long as you have been learning about Islam.

I can pray that you continue to have guidance, peace and happiness. You are my brother in humanity no matter what and I am apologizing on behalf of those who have ever made you out to be "evil". They know not what is in your heart and have no right to make those assumptions about who you are.
 
That's why I eventually quit going to church the first time. I was sickened by the lies and the hypocrisy.

Yes, the talking points of it all were quite sickening for me too but I tried my best not to let that bother me. I wasn't going to let the actions of others turn me away from my faith. Just because they weren't doing right didn't mean that anything was wrong with my religion. Then the problem that I had was that I genuinely attempted to walk the walk to the best of my ability and got taunted for it. When I asked for clarification about concepts and verses that I did not understand and did not make any sense I suddenly was possessed and misguided. An infidel. =/

As you said in one of your earlier posts, you like to learn. I do too and my Christian faith was something that I held on to dearly throughout my teenage years. In my aim to become a better Christian I ended up here learning more and more about Islam and I like what I learned. For so long I was afraid to fall and surrender so I just kept running away from it but you can only run away from something for so long. I am too intrigued by Islam.
 
You quoted the ayat (in english) without having full understanding.
By "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam", it means if someone is properly introduced to Islam, and see that Islam is the truth, and yet still reject it for whatever reason (eg. because they follow the religion of their forefathers, because they don't like some rules, etc), then they will be among the losers.
Example: the christians who come to this forum, and have been shown that worshiping a man god is wrong and endless evidence have been presented to them that their belief is false, and evidence for the truth of Islam have been presented, and yet they reject all evidence and hang on to their baseless belief out of arrogance, whims, desires, what-have-you, do you not think they the ones who wrong themselves?


Salam to all
Masha Allah this is an early breakfast!!!
Alhamdollelah rabil alamin,,, really this site is full of wise people
 
I never really got the "screw everyone else" vibe from Islam. I find Islam humbling because its followers do not assume that they'll automatically get paradise just because they are Muslim. Reading the Qur'an I did not get the vibe that just because someone is a Christian or Jew that they'd be screwed either...

You give tears to my eyes Madam
yes right, thats a major point i was attracted to Islam
just bcoz we are Muslim doesnt mean we will go to heaven, bcoz Allah clarifies that it is Him Alone who can see what's in our heart and Who can judge Us,, hence for a true believer "he/she can only continue to live the way of Islam,,,, wait and pray"
salam
 
Actually I was inspired in this by a video I saw on Qu'ran Weekly channel at YouTube last night. Nouman Ali Khan was talking about your words and how speech is the greatest gift from Allah and how we should not taint that by usng ugly speech.

I have listened to this brother, he is so good, mashallah, in his way of thinking.

Inshallah Allah will guide u to the right path soon. Amen

BRMM
 
One thing that does bother me about Christianity are all of these "pseudo-Christians" that pray the prayer to accept Jesus and then go do whatever they want. I have to admit, I was one for a long time. Do whatever you want and not walk the walk and don't worry about it because hey, you have Jesus. You don't have to do anything God tells you because hey, you have Jesus. Go to church once, maybe twice a week, and the rest of the time you do what you want because hey, you have Jesus.

That's why I eventually quit going to church the first time. I was sickened by the lies and the hypocrisy.

Hi Pre-Brother,
Maybe I should mentioned this verse of the Quran for u concerning what u have said above:
99:04 "That Day, it will report its news"
99:05 "Because your Lord has commanded it"
99:06 "That Day, the people will depart separated [into categories] to be shown [the result of] their deeds"
99:07 "So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it"
99:08 "And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it"


BRMM
 
I never really got the "screw everyone else" vibe from Islam. I find Islam humbling because its followers do not assume that they'll automatically get paradise just because they are Muslim. Reading the Qur'an I did not get the vibe that just because someone is a Christian or Jew that they'd be screwed either...

U have a Christian mind and a Muslim heart :)

BRMM
 
One thing that does bother me about Christianity are all of these "pseudo-Christians" that pray the prayer to accept Jesus and then go do whatever they want. I have to admit, I was one for a long time. Do whatever you want and not walk the walk and don't worry about it because hey, you have Jesus. You don't have to do anything God tells you because hey, you have Jesus. Go to church once, maybe twice a week, and the rest of the time you do what you want because hey, you have Jesus.

That's why I eventually quit going to church the first time. I was sickened by the lies and the hypocrisy.

indeed
Subhanallah for seeing that
 

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