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If they support the troops, then surely they support the troops actions? The troops have killed civilians. Sometimes, these are termed as collateral damage. So I suppose westerners that support the troops, must support these killings.

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See, I'm going to have to disagree with you there, despite the tasty chicken signature. I support the troops (my dad is a Vietnam veteran, so it's a little personal for me), but I don't condone their actions. Most of them are doing what they do just to survive, and you can't really fault them for that ( I suppose you can, but given the circumstances some of it is understandable. I didn't say it was right, just that I understand why it is done).

The war itself is the real enemy here; not Islam and not the secular West. I just want the troops to get the hell out of there and come back home. Then everyone wins. No innocent Muslims have to die and no more troops do either. That's how I support the troops, by praying that they will soon be gone from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Plus you can't tell me that the general US citizen really knows the truth about what happens in the so-called "War on Terror". I think you're giving the US public a little too much credit (and I include myself in that category).
 
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See, I'm going to have to disagree with you there, despite the tasty chicken signature.

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I support the troops (my dad is a Vietnam veteran, so it's a little personal for me), but I don't condone their actions. Most of them are doing what they do just to survive, and you can't really fault them for that ( I suppose you can, but given the circumstances some of it is understandable. I didn't say it was right, just that I understand why it is done).

Do you mean supporting the troops as in for them to survive? They only way they can survive is fight, otherwise the only options they have left is to leave the army.

I hope I haven't upset you.

The war itself is the real enemy here; not Islam and not the secular West. I just want the troops to get the hell out of there and come back home. Then everyone wins. No innocent Muslims have to die and no more troops do either. That's how I support the troops, by praying that they will soon be gone from Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't think there is any support involved for wanting the troops to come back home. :/

I agree with you that there is no war between ideologies. It's geo-politics...

Plus you can't tell me that the general US citizen really knows the truth about what happens in the so-called "War on Terror". I think you're giving the US public a little too much credit (and I include myself in that category).

Lol I don't think anyone truly knows what is going on (except those in power). To be honest, I'm confused.
 
Hmmm.... Maybe this guy Brevic is a Muslim, he says he's a Christian and goes and kills a mob of Marxist Labour party prospects but no Muslims or Majids got blown up. Could he be Al Qaida Norse division? Pretending to be a crazy Christian is perfect cover as he will probably get put in an insane asylum for a few years and be released as sane according to the shrinks.
 
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Do you mean supporting the troops as in for them to survive? They only way they can survive is fight, otherwise the only options they have left is to leave the army.

I hope I haven't upset you.



I don't think there is any support involved for wanting the troops to come back home. :/

I agree with you that there is no war between ideologies. It's geo-politics...



Lol I don't think anyone truly knows what is going on (except those in power). To be honest, I'm confused.

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No, brother, you haven't upset me. I can see your point. I may not fully agree, but I see your point.
 
Hmmm.... Maybe this guy Brevic is a Muslim, he says he's a Christian and goes and kills a mob of Marxist Labour party prospects but no Muslims or Majids got blown up. Could he be Al Qaida Norse division? Pretending to be a crazy Christian is perfect cover as he will probably get put in an insane asylum for a few years and be released as sane according to the shrinks.

Norway Labour party is not marxist. Communist party of Norway might be but it wasn´t they camp at all. Some of victims were muslims too in this camp (from Somalia and Iraqi origin). When someone is in middle of massacre and at age 16, I would call him/her as child, not young adult.

Youngest victim was 9.

May Allah be mercy to all victims and give hardest punishment to murderer.
 
Salaam

Interesting artcile

In his rage against Muslims, Norway's killer was no loner

There is a continuum between the toxic bigotry of the mainstream media, EDL slogans and Breivik's outpourings


It's comforting, perhaps, to dismiss Anders Behring Breivik as nothing more than a psychotic loner. That was the view of the Conservative London mayor, Boris Johnson, among others. The Norwegian mass killer's own lawyer has branded him "insane". It has the advantage of meaning no wider conclusions need to be drawn about the social context of the atrocity.

Had he been a Muslim, as much of the western media concluded he was immediately after the terrorist bloodbath, we can be sure there would have been no such judgments – even though some jihadist attacks have undoubtedly been carried out by individuals operating alone.

In fact, however deranged the bombing and shooting might seem, studies of those identified as terrorists have shown they rarely have mental illness or psychiatric abnormalities. Maybe Breivik will turn out to be an exception. But whether his claim that there are other members of a fascistic Christian terror network still at large turns out to be genuine or not, he has clearly fostered enthusiastic links with violent far-right groups abroad, and in Britain in particular.

Those include multiple contacts with the Islamophobic English Defence League, which has repeatedly staged violent protests against Muslim communities. "You're a blessing to all in Europe," Breivik apparently told EDL supporters in an online message, hailing "our common struggle against the Islamofascists". Whatever Breivik has done, he hasn't done in isolation.

Of course the Norwegian killer's ideology, spelled out in mind-numbing detail in his 1,500-page online manifesto, is both repulsive and absurd. Its main focus is hatred of Islam and Muslims — who he wants deported from Europe — rooted in a self-proclaimed Christian conservatism. He declares himself hostile to "cultural Marxism", while being both pro-Israel and antisemitic, and a champion of anti-Muslim rage from India to the Arctic circle.

The killer has evidently absorbed the far right's shift from the language of race to the language of culture. But what is most striking is how closely he mirrors the ideas and fixations of transatlantic conservatives that for a decade have been the meat and drink of champions of the war on terror and the claim that Islam and Islamism pose a mortal threat to western civilisation.

It's all there: the supposed Islamisation of Europe, the classic conspiracism of the "Eurabia" takeover fantasy, the racist hysteria about the Muslim birthrate, the inevitable clash of civilisations, the hatred of "multiculturalism" and the supposed appeasement of Islam by the European elite, which is meant to have fostered a climate where it's impossible to speak about immigration.

All these themes are of course staples of conservative newspapers, commentators and websites. So naturally, exponents of one or more of these tropes are quoted liberally by Breivik, from Bernard Lewis and Melanie Phillips to Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Mark Steyn.

Phillips, a Daily Mail writer, has complained of a "smear". But an article of hers Breivik cites at length described the former Labour government as guilty of "unalloyed treachery" for using mass immigration to "destroy what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place" – Breivik's feeling precisely.

None of these writers is of course in any way sympathetic to the carnage carried out in Norway last week. But the continuum between the poisonous nonsense commonplace in the mainstream media in recent years, the street slogans of groups like the EDL and Breivik's outpourings is unmistakable.

The same phenomenon can be seen across European politics, where the rise of rightwing Islamophobic parties from France and the Netherlands to Norway and Switzerland has encouraged the centre-right establishment to play the Islam card, wrap itself in "Christian" values and declare the chimera of multiculturalism an abject failure.

It's hardly surprising that some on the parliamentary right have recognised Breivik's ideas as their own: the Italian Northern League MEP Mario Borghezio described them as "100% good". But the same neoconservative zealots who have always insisted that non-violent (Muslim) "extremists" must be cast out because they legitimised and provided a "conveyor belt to terrorism" have now been hoist by their own petard.

That is exactly the role many of their own ideologists have been shown to have played in the case of the butcher of Utoya. When David Cameron denounced multiculturalism in February, he also announced – to the delight of the EDL – that the British government would now be taking on the "non-violent extremists" because they influenced those who embraced violence.

Don't expect the Islamophobic conspiracists to get the same treatment. Breivik is an isolated case, it will be said. In reality, as Europol figures demonstrate, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Europe in recent years have been carried out by non-Muslims. In Britain, a string of recent convictions of would-be anti-Muslim terrorists has underlined that Breivik is very far from being just a Norwegian phenomenon.

Lower-level violence and intimidation continues unabated: last week on the day of the Norwegian massacre, in an entirely routine incident, a mosque in Luton was vandalised and spray-painted with a swastika and EDL slogan. The rise of Islamophobia in Europe and the US is the manipulated product of a toxic blend of economic insecurity, unprotected mass migration and the consequences of a decade of western-sponsored war in the Muslim world: from Afghanistan to Iraq, Pakistan to Libya.

It has become the new acceptable form of racism – far outstripping in opinion polls the level of hatred for any other religious or racial group, and embraced by those who delude themselves that anti-Muslim bigotry has nothing to do with ethnicity – and even represents some sort of defence of liberal values.

For those who failed to deliver decent jobs, wages and housing, and encouraged employers to profit from low-wage migrant labour, how much easier to scapegoat minority Muslim communities than deal with the banks and corporate free-for-all that triggered the crisis? The attempt to pathologise last Friday's slaughter and separate it from the swamp that spawned it can only ratchet up the danger to all of us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/
 
Erm... you do realize that the 'they' in this instance was his defense lawyer?!!

Yup, that's what he's trying to argue, in hopes the "world" will accept it. Point still stands, "they" will use any excuse to make it seem like; "Oh, he's a right wing, Christian, he can never do such a horrible act in his own senses!".
 
Person who makes kind of acts is not Christian, not Muslim, not Jew... he has created his own religion of greater human power.
 
Let's be fair! and Honest too
If this guy was a Muslim then the whole planet would have raged against the Muslim community and just because he turns out to be a european right wing christian he gets unrealistic exucuses for his terrible action. I wish we could be brave enough to bring this man to justice for all the horror he gave to his own community.
 
Let's be fair! and Honest too
If this guy was a Muslim then the whole planet would have raged against the Muslim community and just because he turns out to be a european right wing christian he gets unrealistic exucuses for his terrible action. I wish we could be brave enough to bring this man to justice for all the horror he gave to his own community.

Sure.

Does it helped his victims that we argue here as "if he would be" or "what world media would say"?

No.

May Allah be mercy to those innocents he killed when he thought it was only way to save the world.

Why world media would say so it did? is more important and also how to change kind of saying?
 
Does it helped his victims that we argue here as "if he would be" or "what world media would say"? No.

No , I think that both my previous posts were mainly about this too, I was just saying that we should be fair and treat everyone with equality I am not responsible for what has happened so please don't make me feel like I am. What he did was wrong I know this I'm saying that why is it that no one cares just because he turned out to be a christian and no one wants to bring him to justice , Is there something wrong with demanding Justice? But anyway It is not us that brings Justice it's God.

Salaam and Ramadhan Kareem
 
Let's be fair! and Honest too
If this guy was a Muslim then the whole planet would have raged against the Muslim community and just because he turns out to be a european right wing christian he gets unrealistic exucuses for his terrible action. I wish we could be brave enough to bring this man to justice for all the horror he gave to his own community.

So very true. Did any of you catch Jon Stewart's bit on this? It was perfectly on point. It showed all the Fox News cronies complaining about the rest of the media calling him a "Christian Extremist" and how horrible that is. Stewart then ran a video of the exact same people doing the exact same thing to "Muslim Extremists". It was really well done.

Not sure if this'll play outside of my internet region, but found the clip: http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip506161 Fast forward to 1:16
 
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Norway Labour party is not marxist. Communist party of Norway might be but it wasn´t they camp at all. Some of victims were muslims too in this camp (from Somalia and Iraqi origin). When someone is in middle of massacre and at age 16, I would call him/her as child, not young adult.

Youngest victim was 9.


May Allah be mercy to all victims and give hardest punishment to murderer.

Speak for own species, not mine. We are fully grown at the age of 12 years and that includes Norwegians. A Warrior race not an effeminate gay one.
Brevik considered the Labour party as Marxist.
 

If that is true he must be mad because right wing Norse Christians hate those black pagans the most. They call them macacas and monkeys and used to massacre them right up to the end of the British Raj. The Nazi Christians also wiped out gypsies (Roma and Sinti) and they were Indian Hindu refugees.
 

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