What is Islam? Who is Muhammad (SAW)?

[Ramadhan]

no brother, im just trying to keep you entertained, just as you asked to entertain me.

i have no helper or planner except allah swt.

who can plan for tomorrow when he could not even plan for today?

Interesting choice of words when in previous threads in this forum you have invented lies against Allah SWT.

 

[M.I.A.]

then grant me death,

the quran says long for death.. cant remember where so you can post the ayah when you have time.

lying, the last thing on my mind but the first thing out of my mouth.

subhan'allah

but the truth is i would only want that for myself not for you, inner workings of a madman.

anyway i had a feeling i should have left this thread a long time ago, im have nothing further to contribute..

sometimes i wish i could live and die without misguiding anybody.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

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[جوري]

Actually there is a hadith that we're not to wish for death.. but rather say if life is better for me then grant me life and if death is better then grant me death.. I am not going to source that hadith hope someone else will insha'Allah since it took me quite sometime looking for the verses against the pharaoh I don't have all day to look things up..

 

[Aprender]

What??? Why the teaching of the Quran echoes Christian teaching?
Christians believe in one God in three Persons, the Triune God - the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit – Holy Trinity undivided and one in essence.
Christians believe in the Incarnation of God the Son, His human and Divine nature (which are undivided in Jesus Christ, who is one person), His sacrifice on the Cross on behalf of us all, His glorious Resurrection, Ascension into Heaven (in human nature), His approaching Second Coming in glory to judge the living and the dead when His Kingdom will have no end.
Christians believe in the Covenant with their God, the Covenant of the New Testament, Covenant made possible through the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. And except if you are in this Holy Covenant with God, there is no salvation possible for you.
The message for Christians is that the salvation is made possible by Christ, and only by Christ; i.e. not by a prophet, righteous, but only by the incarnated God in the person of Jesus Christ, according the Christian teaching:

Matthew 21:11
[SUP]11[/SUP] The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

Matthew 21:45-46
[SUP]45[/SUP] When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. [SUP]46[/SUP] They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Ezekiel 18:20
[SUP]20[/SUP] The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

Numbers 23:19
[SUP]19[/SUP] God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Matthew 15:8-10
[SUP]8[/SUP] “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
[SUP]9[/SUP] They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’” [SUP]10[/SUP] Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

John 17:3-4
[SUP]3[/SUP] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [SUP]4[/SUP] I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

As'Salaam Alaaykum

Actually there is a hadith that we're not to wish for death.. but rather say if life is better for me then grant me life and if death is better then grant me death.. I am not going to source that hadith hope someone else will insha'Allah since it took me quite sometime looking for the verses against the pharaoh I don't have all day to look things up..

Here's the hadeeth uktee.

'The Book Pertaining to the Remembrance of Allah, Supplication, Repentance and Seeking Forgiveness (Kitab Al-Dhikr)' (6480)

Anas (b. Malik) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying. None of you should make a request for death because of the trouble in which he is involved, but if there is no other help to it, then say: O Allah, keep me alive as long as there is goodness in life for me and bring death to me when there is goodness in death for me. [Sahih Al Muslim]

 

[M.I.A.]

firstly

i apolagise to bro ramadhan, i have a lot of misdirected stupidity underneath my ignorance.. not on facebook either.


secondly,

i remember it as: if you believe then long for death

your spot on, you can easily replace "long for" with "prepare" if you understand.. and depending on your stance in life.

the point is that whoever is sent before you is definitely sent by the permission of allah swt..

irl i really do not open my mouth because i am aware of that.
so i guess whatever is sent for me.. i might not be content with, but i accept and learn from.

but you must understand there is much bitterness in me.. not towards people, only the actions.

a broken person on the inside. does not translate well in any medium

 

[جوري]

a broken person on the inside. does not translate well in any medium

May Allah swt give you strength, make you steadfast and guide you to the straight path.. I felt sad by what you wrote.. I pray you feel whole again soon insha'Allah..

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

So, christians believe it must have been the devil that revealed God's messages to prophet Muhammad SAW because angels would never hurt a prophet.

It cannot be more of an irony as in the previous post I pasted this passage from bible:

So, since according to Legal_alien only a satan can hurt a prophet, than in the wrestling match between Jacob and God, christians must believe that God = Satan.
Being squeezed is nothing compared to dislocating a hip. Then it must have been big strong satan that was wrestling with Jacob (pbut)

So, let’s take a close look at the context of this passage.
In fulfilment of God’s prophesy / will, holy patriarch Jacob moved back to the land of Canaan . On his way back he had to meet Esau, his brother. Although God protected Jacob from every danger, Jacob was pretty much afraid of this meeting with Esau because he thought that his brother Esau was still angry with him. In order to strengthen him and to assure him of His protection, first God showed him the angelic host:

And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host: and he called the name of that place Mahanaim. (Genesis 32)

Afterwards, Jacob wrestled with God Who took an image of a man. Undoubtedly the meaning of this event is to encourage Jacob and to assure him of God’s protection in relation to the approaching meeting with Esau (and other future dangers), whom Jacob was afraid of. This is clear from the following verse:

And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Moreover it is not said that Jacob felt much pain. Notice that Jacob still wrestled with God, - even though He touched the hollow of his thigh, - till he received His blessing, Of course in a normal situation it is painful indeed, but in this case it was God Who visited him in this way. Undoubtedly – God is powerful to change the course of nature in this case as well, as is the case with the bush that was burning with fire, yet was not consumed by it (Exodus 3), the ringstraked, speckled, grisled cattle of Jacob (Genesis 31), the sun that stood still for some time (Joshua 10) etc.
Nowhere is mentioned about the terror, painful or tormenting experience; that’s why it was certainly not a demon who wrestled with Jacob.
On the contrary, it is evident that this experience was actually a blessing, consolation and joy for Jacob because he was more assured now that he will have power with men, according to God’s word.

In peace,

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

Thank you for all your quotes from the Bible. It’s such a delight to read God's Word!

Matthew 21:11
[SUP]11[/SUP] The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

Matthew 21:45-46
[SUP]45[/SUP] When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. [SUP]46[/SUP] They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Matthew 15:8-10
[SUP]8[/SUP] “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
[SUP]9[/SUP] They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’” [SUP]10[/SUP] Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

John 17:3-4
[SUP]3[/SUP] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [SUP]4[/SUP] I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.[/QUOTE]

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 16)

Numbers 23:19
[SUP]19[/SUP] God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1)

Ezekiel 18:20
[SUP]20[/SUP] The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

Note, I’ve not said that we are guilty for what Adam and Eve had done. The two concepts of guilt / responsibility and of consequence / result are not the same and have a different meaning. So, we suffer the consequences of Adam and Eve’s sin, but we are responsible for our own sins.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. (1 Corinthians 15)

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

'Legal Alien'-- you're persistently dodging the query of why god would put god to death on a cross for a painful death, after said god spent the night in prayer to avoid such a fate.. The Q is not going to go away just because you bury your head in the sand..

best,

Actually I’ve already answered your question in one of my previous posts:

When the Lord was crucified, it was His human Body and Soul that endured suffering. God the Son in His Divinity didn’t suffer anything. Moreover Jesus did it out of His Divine love for men, not because somebody compelled it Him to do this (as is the case with Mohammed).

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (John 10: 18)

Furthermore the suffering was only temporary. The cause of it is the love for men. Jesus endured suffering and in three days rose up from the dead in order to redeem the mankind from the tyranny of sin and dead. He did it by taking upon himself the sin of the world (and of all of us) and accepting the curse / suffering which the mankind deserved because of their sins. That’s why you have to accept Christ as your personal Redeemer and join His Church if you want to be justified from your sins (if you are aware of them of course).

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (Romans 6: 9)

The same commandment of love He gives to His followers:

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15: 13)

I don’t know if Muslims agree with this commandment, but this is what Jesus did for us, men.

As I said it was Jesus’ human nature that suffered; consequently, if you’ve read it attentively, you should have understood by now that when Jesus prayed, He acted as the Human being (for He is God incarnate, i.e. God that took on human nature, remaining God at the same time). In anticipation of His suffering and death His soul was exceeding sorrowful, even unto death (Matthew 26) for He is the Man (and God at the same time), the Man without sin, but not without sinless feelings that are characteristic for all humans.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows (Isaiah 53; a prophesy about Jesus).

I hope you’re a bit satisfied with this short answer; in fact it’s not about Christianity here, in this thread, it’s about Islam here.

 

[جوري]

As I said it was Jesus’ human nature that suffered; consequently, if you’ve read it attentively, you should have understood by now that when Jesus prayed, He acted as the Human being (for He is God incarnate, i.e. God that took on human nature, remaining God at the same time). In anticipation of His suffering and death His soul was exceeding sorrowful, even unto death (Matthew 26) for He is the Man (and God at the same time), the Man without sin, but not without sinless feelings that are characteristic for all humans.

This is a none-answer. You alleged previously that one shouldn't suffer the hands of God or an angel 'only demons' cause suffering-- at least as far as prophet Mohammad is concerned, yet so hypocritical when it comes to Jesus whose fate was apparently worst than a squeeze but a painful crucifixion. So What if it is his human nature that suffered if I am to forgo all logic of his nature and accept things at face value it still begs the question.. Why should he suffer at all in any form?
It isn't about Christianity only as you're stumped for a logical reply!
Don't pose inane questions and/or conclusions if you can't justify them as far as your own beliefs are concerned.
Like the other asinine christian tenet that alleges 'God loves every body' Yet said God also sees fit to create hell to dunk those whom he apparently so loves!

best,

 

[Daniel Hoseiny]

If I have hurt someone with any of my words, please forgive me, I’m sorry.

 

[جوري]

If I have hurt someone with any of my words, please forgive me, I’m sorry.

What you're capable of is repeating the froth of your forefathers without foresight as to how to reconcile it with your own personal belief system!

best,

 

[Amigo]

Why should he suffer at all in any form?

Because of our sins. Evil people always causes innocents to suffer and no one is more innocent than God.
Only God can not be destroyed by mere creatures no matter how evil they get. They can only reach as far as possible for them, they can destroy the human nature, but not the divine nature. But it is one person, thanks to his divine nature, he not only go through death, like all humans do, but he restore the human nature, what regular humans can not do, and which causes them to remain prisoners of death.
If you are human you know that you share in both the spiritual and the animal natures. When an animal attacks you, it can only destroy so far as its nature permit, in fact, only that which you share with it, but it can not destroy your spiritual nature.
About every human ask the question 'where do we go after death?' they know that death as far as it means desintegration of the body, it affect just that, the body, but their souls 'go' somewhere. It is amazing when Muslims forget this when it talking about Jesus death. Christians don't just believe that he died, they also believe that the rose from the dead.

'God loves every body' Yet said God also sees fit to create hell to dunk those whom he apparently so loves!

Yes, God loves everyone. This love is hell for those who are allergic to love: God. It is not God's fault, it is their evil nature they have chosen which is incompatible with love, and therefore suffer at its presence and unavoidable omnipotence. However, this love is heaven for the good for they are good and delight in love.

 

[جوري]

Because of our sins. Evil people always causes innocents to suffer and no one is more innocent than God.
Only God can not be destroyed by mere creatures no matter how evil they get. They can only reach as far as possible for them, they can destroy the human nature, but not the divine nature.
If you are human you know that you share in both the spiritual and the animal natures. When an animal attacks you, it can only destroy so far as its nature permit, in fact, only that which you share with it, but it can not destroy your spiritual nature.

This is meaningless, there were a zillion prophets before Jesus and god didn't feel it necessary to leave the universe behind pop up in beyt lahm or Nazereth to suckle, dress like a pauper and then die a miserable death during any of those times! he forgave just fine too without the need to be human. I know that is what they force feed you in your churches.. it hasn't made sense then & it still doesn't make sense now no matter how many times you parrot it.
If you believe a painful torment is a demonic thing, then the god you worship and the god who self-immolated (thereby breaking his commandments against suicide amongst others) is not only meek & ineffectual but isn't a 'Good' God by any means!

Yes, God loves everyone. This love is hell for those who are allergic to love: God. It is not God's fault, it is their evil nature they have chosen which is incompatible with love, and therefore suffer at its presence and unavoidable omnipotence. However, this love is heaven for the good for they are good and delight in love.

That's a contradiction in terms, a God that loves everyone should also love they whom he created to have allergies! And a God that loves ALL wouldn't want to dunk any into hell.

try to work on the details of your religion, it is what makes you a failure (collectively) at proselytizing.. the stuff you concoct isn't only laughable, completely incompatible with what is written in your books but defies all common sense & logic..

best,

 

[Amigo]

God is absolutly non-violent, if it is God, absolute divinity, then it is illogical to think that any violence can come from God.
Violence can only come from imperfect beings.
God's way of 'destroying' evil, is to let it spent itself on Him, since He knows that He can not be destroyed by it.

it hasn't made sense then & it still doesn't make sense now

Heheh, speak only for yourself

what is written in your books but defies all common sense & logic..

The Christian Faith never appeal to common sense and logic, but to good sense and logic.

If man would act well, he would have good sense and logic. But in his arrogance, he chooses to do that which is evil in his heart, damage his good sense, and wants everything to make sense with his damaged sense of logic. This become tragic when man starts attributing evils to God.
God is perfect, all light, all goodness, all innocent, and absolutely non-violent. If it does not make sense to us, we should pray for healing and enlightment.

 

[Tyrion]

The Christian Faith never appeal to common sense and logic,

Yup, glad you see it too.

 

[جوري]

God is absolutly non-violent, if it is God, absolute divinity, then it is illogical to think that any violence can come from God.
Violence can only come from imperfect beings.
God's way of 'destroying' evil, is to let it spent itself on Him, since He knows that He can not be destroyed by it.

aha.. you ought to acquaint yourself with the bible

1. "I will destroy ... both man and beast."
   God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
2. "Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
   God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
3. "All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
   God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
4. God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie. 12:17
5. God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
6. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6
7. "I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
   I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn't give a **** about children. 18:32
8. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
9. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
10. Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
11. God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7
12. Sarai tells Abraham to "cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands him to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
13. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
14. Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
15. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
16. "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5
17. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
18. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
19. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by *****dom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
20. Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
21. God brought a seven year, "very greivous" famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54 Exodus
22. Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
23. "I will ... smite Egypt with all my wonders." 3:20
24. God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
25. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
26. Moses and Aaron ask the Pharaoh to let all the Israelites go into the desert to pray for three days, or else God will kill them all "with pestilence, or with the sword." 5:3
27. "Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh." 6:1
28. God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4
29. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17
30. God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24
31. The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6
32. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
33. "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14
34. God gave power to the Pharaoh so that he could show off his own power by killing him. 9:15-16
35. The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25
36. God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. 10:2
37. These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)
38. God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7
39. God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
40. After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
41. To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
42. "I will harden Pharaoh's heart." 14:4
43. After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28
44. The LORD shall fight for you 14:14
45. "I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour." 14:17
46. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen." 14:18
47. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians." 14:26
48. "And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians." 14:31
49. Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19
50. "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
51. God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
52. "For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them." 15:19
53. "Horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." 15:21
54. If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26
55. Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
56. "I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." 17:14
57. "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16
58. Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13
59. Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21
60. God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
61. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
62. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
63. If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28
64. If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29
65. If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32
66. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
67. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
68. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
69. If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
70. "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
71. God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
72. Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
73. Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
74. Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
75. Wash up or die. 30:20-21
76. Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
77. Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
78. God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10
79. Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20
80. God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
81. "Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." 32:33
82. But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
83. If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
84. Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3 Leviticus
85. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
86. "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5
87. "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6
88. Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9
89. "Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11
90. "Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13
91. "If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15
92. "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17
93. "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6
94. "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10
95. "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2
96. "The fat that covereth the inwards ... and the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver.... It is ... a sweet savour unto the Lord." 3:3-5
97. "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:8
98. "The fat ... the whole rump ... the inwards ... the two kidneys ... burn it upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire unto the LORD." 3:9-11
99. "If his offering be a goat ... he shall lay his hand upon the head ... and kill it ... and ... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:12-13
100. "The fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... burn them upon the altar; it is the food of the ooffering made by fire for a sweet savour." 3:14-16
101. "All the fat is the Lord's."
     When you do your burnt offerings, remember that "all the fat is the Lord's." (And he doesn't like to share!) 3:16
102. "Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4
103. "The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6
104. "Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar." 4:7
105. "Take ... all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards ... the two kidneys ... and the caul above the liver ... and ... burn them upon the altar of the burnt offering." 4:8-10
106. "And the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, with his head, and with his legs, and his inwards, and his dung...."
     What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:11-12
107. "Offer a young bullock for the sin ... The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14-15
108. "Bring of the bullock's blood ... And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:16-17
109. "Put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar ... and ... pour out all the blood ... and ... take all his fat from him, and burn it upon the altar." 4:18-19
110. "He shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it." 4:24-25
111. "The priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood ... and he shall burn all his fat upon the altar." 4:25-26
112. "Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering ... and shall pour out all the blood." 4:29-30
113. "He shall take away all the fat ... and ... burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD." 4:31
114. "Slay the sin offering ... and the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering and shall pour out all the blood." 4:33-35
115. "He shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD ... a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats."
     If you touch an insect, dead animal, or "the uncleanness of man" or if you swear to do something good or bad (5:2-4), kill a female lamb or goat for God. (A female will do since it's a minor offense.) 5:6
116. "If he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring ... two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD ... and wring off his head."
     If you don't have a lamb to kill for God, then you can wring off the head of a pigeon or dove. 5:7
117. "And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering." 5:9
118. "The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, If a soul ... sin through ignorance ... then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish."
     If you sin without knowing that you've done anything wrong, kill an unblemished ram for God. 5:14-15
119. "This is the law of the sin offering: the sin offering [shall] be killed before the LORD: it is most holy." 6:25
120. "The trespass offering: it is most holy"
     The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6
121. Kill the trespass offering: and the blood thereof shall he sprinkle round about upon the altar." 7:2
122. "Offer of it all the fat thereof; the rump, and the fat that covereth the inwards, and the two kidneys, and the fat that is on them ... and the caul that is above the liver." 7:3
123. "It shall be the priest's that sprinkleth the blood of the peace offerings." 7:14
124. Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27
125. "The fat with the breast, it shall he bring, that the breast may be waved for a wave offering before the LORD." Wave the fat and the breast for "a wave offering before the Lord." 7:30
126. "And the priest shall burn the fat upon the altar: but the breast shall be Aaron's and his sons'." 7:31
127. "And the right shoulder shall ye give unto the priest for an heave offering." 7:32
128. "He among the sons of Aaron, that offereth the blood of the peace offerings, and the fat, shall have the right shoulder for his part."
     Aaron's sons get the right shoulder from all peace offerings. 7:33
129. "For the wave breast and the heave shoulder ... a statute for ever."
     Be sure to do your wave breast or heave shoulder today. It is a statute forver. 7:34
130. Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32
131. "Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the bullock for the sin offering and he slew it." 8:14-15
132. "Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger .. and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar." 8:15
133. "And he took all the fat that was upon the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and Moses burned it upon the altar." 8:16
134. "But the bullock, and his hide, his flesh, and his dung, he burnt with fire without the camp; as the LORD commanded Moses." 8:17
135. "Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he killed it." 8:18-19
136. "Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about." 8:19
137. "And he cut the ram into pieces; and Moses burnt the head, and the pieces, and the fat." 8:20
138. "And he washed the inwards and the legs in water; and Moses burnt the whole ram upon the altar: it was a burnt sacrifice for a sweet savour, and an offering made by fire unto the LORD; as the LORD commanded Moses." 8:21
139. "Aaron and his sons laid their hands upon the head of the ram. And he slew it." 8:22-23
140. "Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 8:23
141. "And he brought Aaron's sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about." 8:24
142. "And he took the fat, and the rump, and all the fat that was upon the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and the right shoulder." 8:25
143. "And he put all upon Aaron's hands, and upon his sons' hands, and waved them for a wave offering before the LORD." 8:27
144. "Moses ... burnt them ... for a sweet savour." 8:28
145. "And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD." 8:29
146. "And Moses took ... of the blood which was upon the altar, and sprinkled it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments." 8:30
147. "Moses said unto Aaron and to his sons, Boil the flesh." 8:31
148. And that which remaineth of the flesh .... shall ye burn with fire." 8:32
149. More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:2-21
150. "Take thee a young calf for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering, without blemish, and offer them before the LORD." 9:2
151. "Take ye a kid of the goats for a sin offering; and a calf and a lamb, both of the first year, without blemish, for a burnt offering." 9:3
152. "Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the LORD; and a meat offering." 9:4
153. Kill the calf, dip your finger in the blood, sprinkle the blood round about, burn the fat and entrails, and wave the breast for a wave offering before the Lord. 9:8-21
154. "Aaron ... slew the calf of the sin offering." 9:8
155. "And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar." 9:9
156. "But the fat, and the kidneys, and the caul above the liver of the sin offering, he burnt upon the altar; as the LORD commanded Moses." 9:10
157. "And the flesh and the hide he burnt with fire without the camp." 9:11
158. "And he slew the burnt offering; and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled round about upon the altar." 9:12
159. "And they presented the burnt offering unto him, with the pieces thereof, and the head: and he burnt them upon the altar." 9:13
160. "And he did wash the inwards and the legs, and burnt them upon the burnt offering on the altar." 9:14
161. "And he ... took the goat ... the people, and slew it." 9:15
162. "He slew also the bullock and the ram ... and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about." 9:18
163. "And the fat of the bullock and of the ram, the rump, and that which covereth the inwards, and the kidneys, and the caul above the liver." 9:19
164. "And they put the fat upon the breasts, and he burnt the fat upon the altar." 9:20
165. "And the breasts and the right shoulder Aaron waved for a wave offering before the LORD; as Moses commanded." 9:21
166. Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2
167. Moses tells Aaron that his sons were burned to death to sanctfy and glorify God. 10:3
168. Moses tells Aaron's cousins to drag the burned bodies out of the camp, and he warns Aaron not to mourn the death of his sons or God will kill him too, along with everyone else. 10:4-6
169. If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9
170. God will kill any priest that leaves the tabernacle. 10:7
171. If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by by drinking "wine or strong drink," then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." "It shall be a statute for ever." 10:9
172. "And the wave breast and heave shoulder shall ye eat in a clean place." 10:14
173. "The heave shoulder and the wave breast ... bring with the offerings made by fire of the fat, to wave it for a wave offering before the LORD." 10:15
174. "She shall bring a lamb ... for a burnt offering, and... a young pigeon, or dove, for a sin offering."
     After a woman gives birth, a priest must kill a lamb, pigeon, or dove as a sin offering. This is because having children is sinful and God likes it when things are killed for him. 12:6
175. "If she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons ... and she shall be clean." 12:8
176. God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32
177. "Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean ... and the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water." 14:4
178. "And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish ... And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering ... and wave them for a wave offering before the LORD." 14:10-12
179. "And he shall slay the lamb ... in the holy place: ... it is most holy." 14:13
180. "And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and ... put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 14:14
181. "The priest shall offer the sin offering ... and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering." 14:19
182. "If he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved ... and two turtledoves, or two young pigeons ... and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering." 14:21-22
183. "And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering ... and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:" 14:24
184. "And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot." 14:25
185. "And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get." 14:30
186. "Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering." 14:31
187. "When ye be come into the land of Canaan ... I put the plague of leprosy in ... the land of your possession."
     God "put the plague of leprosy" on the Canaanites. 14:34
188. "He shall take to cleanse the house two birds ... And he shall kill the one of the birds ... And he shall take ... the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird ... and sprinkle the house seven times ... And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird." 14:49-52
189. "On the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons ... and ... offer them, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 15:14-15
190. "On the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons ... for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness." 15:29-30
191. God warns Aaron that he might have to burn him to death like he did his sons. (10:1-2) 16:1-2
192. God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:8-28
193. "Kill the bullock of the sin offering." 16:11
194. "Take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it ... seven times." 16:14
195. "Kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood ... and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat." 16:15
196. "Take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about." 16:18
197. "He shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times." 16:19
198. Sprinkle the blood and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord. 17:6
199. If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25
200. "Keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations ... that the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you." 18:26-28
201. "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 18:29
202. Don't eat sacrifices on the third day or God will cut you off from among your people. 19:6-8
203. Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2
204. If you refuse to kill someone who gives his seed to Molech, God set his face against you and your family. 20:4-5

by the way the list goes on & on & on I couldn't possibly stick it all in here!

Heheh, speak only for yourself

You've to do better than that note of desperation!

The Christian Faith never appeal to common sense and logic

very true, glad you've concluded that without help!

If man would act well, he would have good sense and logic. But in his arrogance, he chooses to do that which is evil in his heart, damage his good sense, and wants everything to make sense with his damaged sense of logic. This become tragic when man starts attributing evils to God.
God is perfect, all light, all goodness, all innocent, and absolutely non-violent. If it does not make sense to us, we should pray for healing and enlightment.

Switch the gods around & your dogma is also applicable to Hinduism!

best,

 

[Ramadhan]

In order to strengthen him and to assure him of His protection

What you are saying above is not in the bible.
It is all your conjecture.

Afterwards, Jacob wrestled with God Who took an image of a man.

The bible does not say that Jacob wrestled with a God's image of a man, it says he wrestled with God. period.
"Your name will no longer be Jacob," the man told him. "From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won." (genesis 32:28)
So Jacob named that place Peniel [Face of God], because he said, "I have seen God face to face, but my life was saved." (genesis 32:30)

You need to re-read your bible again. It seems christians have been force-spooned the meanings and interpretations of their bible by their priests etc while failing to actually read what's written in the bible.

Moreover it is not said that Jacob felt much pain. Notice that Jacob still wrestled with God, - even though He touched the hollow of his thigh, - till he received His blessing, Of course in a normal situation it is painful indeed, but in this case it was God Who visited him in this way. Undoubtedly – God is powerful to change the course of nature in this case as well, as is the case with the bush that was burning with fire, yet was not consumed by it (Exodus 3), the ringstraked, speckled, grisled cattle of Jacob (Genesis 31), the sun that stood still for some time (Joshua 10) etc.

It does not say Jacob felt much pain, but your bible does not say Jacob didn't feel much pain either. Stop making your own assumption.
Also, God only resorted to dislocate Jacob's hip because it was already daybreak and he couldn't win any other way. It was only after he dislocated Jacob's hip that the match ended.
No one is saying God is not powerful enough to change the course of nature, it is christians who allege that God was not powerful enough to strengthen Jacob (pbuh) without having to humiliate Himself and come down to earth to in a mud wrestling match with Jacob, only to lose.

Here, read again your bible:
So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
When the man saw that he could not win against Jacob, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that it was dislocated as they wrestled.
Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak." But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me."(Genesis 32:24-26)

Have you ever stopped to think for a second how ridiculous it all is?
Either God is ridiculous, or men wrote false accounts and attributed them to God.