What 'Book' do you suppose this verse is referring to?
Stupid question. This verse refers to the bible.
What is Islam? Who is Muhammad (SAW)?
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Stupid question. This verse refers to the bible.
you need a bible study from a good teacher.
With the amount of contradictions, scientific absurdities, jokes and pornography in it , its actually you that needs a reality check and a proper bible study
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Hang on, I have a bible at home. It has all these books. But what I do know some protestant bibles don't acknowledge is James.
[FONT=Tahoma, Lucida Sans Unicode][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]James 2:14...
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, Lucida Sans Unicode][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]James 2:15-17...
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, Lucida Sans Unicode][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]James 2:18-19...
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe -- and tremble!
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma, Lucida Sans Unicode][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]James 2:20-21...
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]And many other verses that say that it is your actions that will count for or against you, not just your faith. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Bookman Old Style]
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Have you not read your own bible?
Or do you always need your priest to read bible for you?
Have you never read about the history of how bible became what they are now?
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You need to switch teacher as apparently your current teacher is not good enough, as evidenced by your severe lack of basic knowledge about bible.
The protestant version doesnt not have those 7 books. saying they are "doubtful". Catholic version has them and This is just the tip of the ice berg , chunks and chunks are added or thrown out elsewhere
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Nuh uh.
Protestant bibles do not have those books. You must have either catholic bibles, or eastern orthodox bibles, or ethiopian orthodox bibles or any other bibles but protestant ones.
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This is why I do not spiritually associate with any scripture. Scriptures can either be modified or taught in a context that suits the people in charge.
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Yes, scriptures have been modified all the time, except for the Qur'an.
And hence Deuteronomy 4:2 supports Qur'an and d amns Bible.
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The Quran cannot be modified but it can be taught out of its true context by Islamophobes and Muslims alike. But luckily, Muslims can explain what certain verses mean to clear up misconceptions such as in Q. 5:51.
Yes. That's the nature of any scripture. It is always interpreted either by an official body or independantely, but a book does not say anything by itself. "You can't put it in a court's witness box and asks it what it means" (Chesterton), it wouldn't even hear you.
The 'people in charge' are the key to understanding what any scripture is saying.
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I think you are talking about the following verse in Quran:
It is to the Jews (and maybe Christians) who were claiming that God loves them and they won't go to hell. Here God puts them to a challenge to show if they are really truthful about themselves. Next it goes on to say that they will never wish death because of what their hands forwarded (done). Then the Aya reiterates that GOD knows well about the people that misplace right and wrong.
This Aya is an invitation into doing things right and not transgressing against GOD.
Tafsir is here which will give you better idea:
Here is more detailed explanation: http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/falsification_test.htm
Just to make it clear above verse doesn't mean all Jews, it has a context.
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What about Sura 9:30/31? I was never taught that Ezra was the son of God or the priests were His equals. You can't be Jewish and think that God has children or equals. We call God "Father" maybe as a testament to His mercy, but not literally a father.
That was one of the belief of Jews of Madina. You have to look at the context and history behind the revelation. That verse was directed at specific people at that time but it has wider meaning too. Wider meaning is there is no partner with God, and God doesn't accept that at all.
Detailed answer is here: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/ezra.html
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Misinterpretation maybe the nature of bible, but apart from that, which you tried to deflect, is the fact that bible is a product of many unknown authors, each added, removed, edited, corrupted the word of God.
Compare that to Al Qur'an which is pure word of God (swt).
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Oh really?
I know many jews who think money, science and technology are at least equal to, and more important than God.
Also, how do you know that the jews during Ezra time didn't regard Ezra as equal to son of God?
After all, it was Ezra who edited most of hebrew bible, creating, adding, removind, editing books of moses and sulaiman (pbut) so they became what old testament. He even contributed his own book.
Also, if you had not known, some jews (such as saul of tarsus) also regarded Jesus (pbuh) as son of God.
During Moses (pbuh), the jews even worshipped a golden calf. Were they not jews? Those jews knew they were saved from the pharaoh/firaun by God, they saw the miracle of Moses (pbuh) who parted the sea, and they were under supervision of Aaron (pbuh) when Moses (pbuh) was away, and yet they took a golden calf and worshipped it!!
Face it, the jews throughout history have made actions that breached God's commands and angered Him and hence many prophets were sent to them to repeatedly remind them. But continued to transgress (and rejecting the prophethood of Jesus and Muhammad pbut), and they are still transgressing. Case in point: the state of Israel. I am not saying that all jews are bad, I am only pointing out at your absurdities that claimed no jew would take anything else as equal to God.
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In the satanic talmud , it is even mentioned that these "smart" rabbis are even better than God
[SIZE=+1]Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
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Like I said earlier