Many Christians are Converting to Islam

[Ramadhan]

I guess this is not a good topic, and can open a can of worms not suitable for this forum.

I see that every time your statement is challenged and refuted, you either stopped the conversation or pretended you did not read it.

So, are you here for the truth or for trolling?

Let's face it: There have been more christians terrorists in the past 2,000 years than the rest of religions combined, and there have been more christian leaders child abusers than the rest of the religions combined.

 

[AhlaamBella]

Let's face it: There have been more christians terrorists in the past 2,000 years than the rest of religions combined, and there have been more christian leaders child abusers than the rest of the religions combined.

So, are you now going to follow Jesus (pbuh) command, and leave christianity for the truth which is Islam?

I don't see how the behaviour of people is a valid reason to judge a belief system. :hmm:

Look what happens when people judge Islam by the behaviour of Muslims!!

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't see how the behaviour of people is a valid reason to judge a belief system.

Look what happens when people judge Islam by the behaviour of Muslims!!

I totally agree with you, sister.

I was only giving burninglight his own version of truth.
Burninglight believes that truth should be judged by its followers, so by that notion if he's consistent and not being hypocrite, he should leave christianity immediately.

 

[MustafaMc]

Now I know that not all Muslims are terrorist, but I couldn't deny that most terrorist in my life time have been Muslims and that bothered me especially when I think about what Jesus said, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them" Verses like that would repell me from considering Islam over Christianity.

Quoting from one of my posts on another thread, "You obviously came here with a lot of preconceived ideas about Islam that apparently were derived from Christian sources that have striven to 'dig up dirt' on and to slander Islam."

You can probably tell from my 'testimony' that 9/11 led to a lot of soul searching on my behalf to decide if I wanted to continue on my chosen path. I did not and still do not support those who were the perpetrators of this event nor have I ever met a single Muslim who said it was justified or who was happy that the Twin Towers collapsed killing 3,000 innocent people. If you care to read it, here is the speech that I gave to in a local synagogue on the 10th anniversary of this tragic day http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134308713-10-years-after-most-traumatic-day-american-history.html#post1462739

What you probably don't realize is that along with that soul searching I have also studied a lot about the details of that tragic day, perhaps more than any other person on this forum. I am not an engineer or an architect, but these people are: http://www.ae911truth.org/ I came across this site as a result of my studies on 9/11. This and other sites present evidences that are not congruent with plane-induced collapse:

Evidence of explosive top-down destruction of WTC1 & 2
1. High technology explosive, nanothermite, in WTC dust http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm
2. Iron-rich microspheres (signature thermite residue) in WTC dust documented by the US Geological Survey and RJ LeeGroup
3. Small human bone fragments on roof of 41 story Deutsche Bank
4. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and steel in pyroclastic-like cloud
5. 1,200 ft debris field and no pancaked floors

Evidence of implosive destruction of 47-story WTC7 not hit by a plane
1. Symmetrical collapse at free-fall acceleration – support beams not there
2. Video indistinguishable from video of known implosions
3. Foreknowledge with media stating it had collapsed with live picture of it standing in background

Now, there may be some logical explanation for these evidences and points, but, if they are true and not fabricated, then the 9/11 picture is a lot more complex than just '19 Muslim terrorists with box-cutters’. Could the questions implicated here also raise possible doubts about the veracity of other acts of ‘Islamic terrorism’ including the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing?

 

[Abz2000]

yes, burning light, if you chose to go by the magnified and hysterical mass media concoctions - many of which have been proven false-flags,

you may wonder why people don't have a picture of hitler every time they use the term Christian.
it wouldn't mean a thing, first thing you'd have to do is see if these acts are justified by Islam, and if not, then look into the motive behind the generalizations and psychological associations made by the lamestream media.

 

[Burninglight]

Quoting from one of my posts on another thread, "You obviously came here with a lot of preconceived ideas about Islam that apparently were derived from Christian sources that have striven to 'dig up dirt' on and to slander Islam."

You can probably tell from my 'testimony' that 9/11 led to a lot of soul searching on my behalf to decide if I wanted to continue on my chosen path. I did not and still do not support those who were the perpetrators of this event nor have I ever met a single Muslim who said it was justified or who was happy that the Twin Towers collapsed killing 3,000 innocent people. If you care to read it, here is the speech that I gave to in a local synagogue on the 10th anniversary of this tragic day (10 Years after the Most Traumatic Day in American History)http://www.islamicboard.com/world-a...aumatic-day-american-history.html#post1462739

What you probably don't realize is that along with that soul searching I have also studied a lot about the details of that tragic day, perhaps more than anyother person on this forum. I am not an engineer or an architect, but these people are: http://www.ae911truth.org/ I came across this site as a result of my studies on 9/11. This and other sites present evidences that are not congruent with plane-induced collapse:

Evidence of explosive top-down destruction of WTC1 & 2
1. High technology explosive, nanothermite, in WTC dust http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm
2. Iron-rich microspheres (signature thermite residue) in WTC dust documented by the US Geological Survey and RJ LeeGroup
3. Small human bone fragments on roof of 41 story Deutsche Bank
4. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete and steel inpyroclastic-like cloud
5. 1,200 ft debris field and no pancaked floors

Evidence of implosive destruction of 47-story WTC7 not hit by a plane
1. Symmetrical collapse at free-fall acceleration – support beams not there
2. Video indistinguishable from video of known implosions
3. Foreknowledge with media stating it had collapsed with live picture ofit standing in background

Now, there may be some logical explanation for these evidences and points, but, if they are true and not fabricated, then the 9/11 picture is a lot more complex than just ’19 Muslim terrorists with box-cutters’. Could the questions implicated here also raise possible doubts about the veracity of other acts of ‘Islamic terrorism’ including the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing.

Just a quick note. My younger brother from the same mother and father got caught in the debri of the towers as they came down. he saw the whole thing people jumping from the towers splashing on the ground and glass cutting people in half and decapating others.

He survived walking home across the Williamsburg bridge into Brooklyn where we're from in NY., but he has to see doctors for his lungs breathing in asbsestos, and he had to have two hip replacemments running from the smoke fire and debri as it came down. That didn't help his legs. I will read your testimony further.

Yes, I have been fed a lot from the media, but I can see Muslim are very nice people like you and everyone on the forum. I don't see them as terrorist at all. Radical ones in the middle east I can't vouche for. I would like to add, it is not hard for me to believe that those commerical airliners full of fuel could bring down those towers, not in the slightlest.

 

[Ramadhan]

Just a quick note. My younger brother from the same mother and father got caught in the debri of the towers as they came down. he saw the whole thing people jumping from the towers splashing on the ground and glass cutting people in half and decapating others.

He survived walking home across the Williamsburg bridge into Brooklyn where we're from in NY., but he has to see doctors for his lungs breathing in asbsestos, and he had to have two hip replacemments running from the smoke fire and debri as it came down. That didn't help his legs. I will read your testimony further.

Now you see how people can be killed by terrorists, and so you certainly can side with the muslims how innocent people are killed by israelis and americans in the middle east?

Or are you ignoring the fact that multiple more muslims are killed and being killed in the middle east by christians and jews than the other way around?

so, using your belief, does this mean that christianity encourage people to kill?

 

[Burninglight]

I was only giving burninglight his own version of truth.
Burninglight believes that truth should be judged by its followers, so by that notion if he's consistent and not being hypocrite, he should leave christianity immediately.

I don't think you understand what my version of truth is. That is a strange thing to say coming from a moderator. I had made a comment on the way I felt in the past not now. Besides, since you want to open that can of worms. Let me say I know Christians did a lot of horrible things in the name of Christ, but that is not true Christianity, and it is not that way now. We are talking about contemporary times. Do you think the terror is stopped? You wait until the next world terror attack comes. It will happen in our generation. I believe the Lord is showing me this. Lets see if it will be coming from a Muslim or a Christian. Don't call the American government Christians, becuase they are the ones who took Bible and prayer and the ten commandements out of our institutions

 

[Who Am I?]

Of course, you're assuming that 9/11 actually was an attack by Muslim terrorists. I'm not convinced that it was, personally. They were terrorists, I'll grant you, but I'm not convinced that they were Muslims and not just operatives hired by or working for the government.

 

[Burninglight]

I am burned out can't deal with the name calling and accusations; so, I am back to PMs. Sorry, I know some of you are happy to see me stop posting . You got your wish
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[MustafaMc]

While we are on the subject, this video 'Terrorist!!! - Just a Word' came to my mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKH0j3yoE

 

[Ramadhan]

I don't think you understand what my version of truth is.

This is your belief and you wrote it:

I couldn't deny that most terrorist in my life time have been Muslims and that bothered me especially when I think about what Jesus said, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them" Verses like that would repell me from considering Islam over Christianity.

So you clearly you judged the truth by the actions of people who adhere to that truth.
You even clearly stated that you are repelled from considering Islam because "most terrorists are muslims".

I have shown you that there were more christian terrorists and child abusers in the past 2,000 years. So, if you truly believe in your own principle, then you should be repelled from considering christianity.

Let me say I know Christians did a lot of horrible things in the name of Christ, but that is not true Christianity,

So, when christians did a lost of horrible things in the name christ, that is not true christianity, but when muslims did horrible things then they must be true Islam?

Have you ever considered that you are being a hypocrite and double standard?

We are talking about contemprorary times.

Do you want to talk contemporary times?
I can give you evidence how christians in the name of Christ did unspeakable terrors and killed millions in Rwanda, the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, Maluku, Sulawesi tengah, etc.

Let's bring it on.

 

[Burninglight]

This is your belief and you wrote it:


I couldn't deny that most terrorist in my life time have been Muslims and that bothered me especially when I think about what Jesus said, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them" Verses like that would repell me from considering Islam over Christianity.
So you clearly you judged the truth by the actions of people who adhere to that truth.
You even clearly stated that you are repelled from considering Islam because "most terrorists are muslims".

I have shown you that there were more christian terrorists and child abusers in the past 2,000 years. So, if you truly believe in your own principle, then you should be repelled from considering christianity.

Have you ever considered that you are being a hypocrite and double standard?

Okay, I can concede that I had been influence by media about Islam. Many Christians and non believers see Islam as a terrorist religion. I used to, but not anymore. They teach that the Quran says to kill the unbelievers, and I had been influenced by those rumors, but I'll say it again though, true Christians don't do those things like Hitler did and what was done in Rwanda etc.

The NT Christianity teaches to love your enemies. So anyone who commits terror acts is not of God for by their fruits you shall know them regardless of what religion they claim to be. I see no Hypocrisy in what I said. Maybe the WTC was a American government conspired act to blame Muslims. We are living in a confusing time; where the truth is hidden.

I meant to say most terrorist acts I have seen in this country have been done by those professing to be Muslims but I also meant to say and you left that part of the quote out that I don't think that anymore.

 

[Burninglight]

So you clearly you judged the truth by the actions of people who adhere to that truth.
You even clearly stated that you are repelled from considering Islam because "most terrorists are muslims".

So are you saying terrorist acts are truth and the truth of what people adhere to? If yes, then yes, I judge those that adhere to that truth.

That quote isn't my exact arrangement of words; therefore, you should not have put quotation marks on it as coming from me. It almost makes it sound like I am saying that most Muslims are terrorist. Very, very few of the Muslim population have been terrorist, and that has been what affected my worldview at one time and maybe still does to a point because of the recent WTC bombing that happened in my backyard.

 

[Burninglight]

Of course, you're assuming that 9/11 actually was an attack by Muslim terrorists. I'm not convinced that it was, personally. They were terrorists, I'll grant you, but I'm not convinced that they were Muslims and not just operatives hired by or working for the government.

That is possible; God knows and He will judge

 

[Burninglight]

Yes, I have been fed a lot from the media, but I can see Muslim are very nice people like you and everyone on the forum. I don't see them as terrorist at all. Radical ones in the middle east I can't vouche for. I would like to add, it is not hard for me to believe that those commerical airliners full of fuel could bring down those towers, not in the slightlest.

You are mind quoting me. You have to balance what I am saying. Why didn't you quote this along with what I said?

I have shown you that there were more christian terrorists and child abusers in the past 2,000 years. So, if you truly believe in your own principle, then you should be repelled from considering christianity.

I didn't clearly see this and I don't clearly see what Islam does. Only God clearly sees and knows and can acurately judge

 

[Ramadhan]

I didn't clearly see this and I don't clearly see what Islam does. Only God clearly sees and knows and can acurately judge

You keep contradicting your own beliefs and truth.

You kept saying that the truth can be judged by their followers, and you belief that Islam is not the truth because you believe that there are now muslim terorrists.

I am turning the table on you: there are christians terorrists and there are christians killers and you asked for contemporary examples.

I gave you christian priests child abusers, are they not contemporary enough for you?

You keep throwing out false statements without evidence about Islam, and when we refuted with evidence, your only reply is: "I don't clealry see what Islam does"

and when we gave you statements WITH evidence about christianity, such as contradictions in bible, evidence of christian terrorists, child abusers, your response is: "Only God clealry sees and knows".

 

[Ramadhan]

So are you saying terrorist acts are truth and the truth of what people adhere to? If yes, then yes, I judge those that adhere to that truth.

Why are you twisting my words?
For what purpose?

If you claim to have the truth, you don't need to twist anyone else's words.

Terrorists break many commands of Allah in the Qur'an, and among the most basic: Those who kill an innocent is as if they kill while humanity.

That quote isn't my exact arrangement of words; therefore, you should not have put quotation marks on it as coming from me. It almost makes it sound like I am saying that most Muslims are terrorist. Very, very few of the Muslim population have been terrorist, and that has been what affected my worldview at one time and maybe still does to a point because of the recent WTC bombing that happened in my backyard.

Again, I will quote you verbatim and not changed anything, and this is what you believe in:

Now I know that not all Muslims are terrorist, but I couldn't deny that most terrorist in my life time have been Muslims and that bothered me especially when I think about what Jesus said, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them" Verses like that would repell me from considering Islam over Christianity.

So you CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY judge the truth from the action of people who claim to follow the truth.

Now, I have given you contemporary examples about child abusing christians priests who are regarded by christians as Jesus' representatives.

 

[Who Am I?]

That is possible; God knows and He will judge

This is true, brother.

Anyway, for a long time I was deceived by the Western media's portrayal of Islam as a demon religion, and its followers as a fanatic death cult that would stop at nothing until I was dead. I joined everyone else in mocking the Prophet, and decrying Allah as a false god. I was even a member of a white supremacist forum at one time and delighted in making fun of Arabs.

I still have some recordings and some writings I did from that time, in which I ranted about Islam consistently. I debated whether or not to even keep them, but I have kept them and occasionally listen to or read them. Not because I am proud of what I said, but as a reminder of who I used to be, and who I am no longer. I don't want to forget that time, and I don't want to pretend that it never happened. I am living proof of the mercy of Allah. The unbeliever who once hated Muslims and is now a follower of Allah...

 

[Burninglight]

I am living proof of the mercy of Allah. The unbeliever who once hated Muslims and is now a follower of Allah...

Powerful testimony. I guess you can understand me except I am not extreme as you were, but I do find testimonies like yours interesting, because I am trying to understand what you see and others like you that I don't about Islam. I just don't see how it has more to offer than Christianity. I denfintely don't hate Muslims. I can say I never did; thank God for that.