Homosexual Indoctrination in UK Schools - it's happening now

[ardianto]

That sounds like a very feminist comment. And how many 'feminine gays' have you met? Isn't haram to be 'meeting' women?

Those 'feminine gays' are not women, but men with feeling of a woman, and it made their life very hard.

I have met few but only two who close to me. When these two men met me they already dressed as male although still feminine in attitude. How hard their life?. They tried to back to their fitrah as men, struggle hard to hold their desire to men, but people still mocked them.

I have sympathy to the 'feminine gays' who I know personally not only because their problem, but especially because their respect to me. They never tried to do something 'strange' to me.

 

[theplains]

Does the Quran or Hadith say anything about homosexuality?

Peace,
Jim

 

[جوري]

It is a SIN and a transgression against the laws and commands of God!

 

[Karl]

I think the point is that schools and workplaces and other venues are not the place for public discourse of this especially when it involves children. Sins, struggles, and issues in general that are personal are best kept private or discussed on an as-needed basis. There has been a definite increase in broadcasting homosexuality in the U.S. to the point where it is constantly on TV and radio and in the newspapers let alone in workplaces and schools. There is clearly an agenda going on. I believe it is part of a wider agenda to dumb down the masses into blindly accepting or rejecting whatever they are told so that they are more easily controllable. Targeting small children and children in general is likely a deliberate tactic to make the newest generation conditioned to the new order of society. A`udhu billahi min ash-Shaytan ir-rajeem.

Yup, it is the rise of the Beast. A Christian has put out a book called Totalitaria by Ian Wishart, this could be an interesting read. He talks about the UN taking control of the world and breaking the world down to one world totalitarian hegemony.

The state has no rightful place forming the minds of the young, that is for the parents to do instead. And the parents should teach their offspring whatever they deem fit.

 

[جوري]

I find many of your posts far out but admire that you're bar none!

 

[Karl]

Those 'feminine gays' are not women, but men with feeling of a woman, and it made their life very hard.

I have met few but only two who close to me. When these two men met me they already dressed as male although still feminine in attitude. How hard their life?. They tried to back to their fitrah as men, struggle hard to hold their desire to men, but people still mocked them.

I have sympathy to the 'feminine gays' who I know personally not only because their problem, but especially because their respect to me. They never tried to do something 'strange' to me.

These effeminate featured boys and men are not real males at all, just females born with the wrong sex organs. In the past they were not persecuted, just written off as girls gone wrong. Masculine male with masculine male true homosexuality, on the other hand was frowned upon and considered extremely repugnant.

 

[LauraS]

These effeminate featured boys and men are not real males at all, just females born with the wrong sex organs. In the past they were not persecuted, just written off as girls gone wrong. Masculine male with masculine male true homosexuality, on the other hand was frowned upon and considered extremely repugnant.

So you believe they are females born in the wrong body? That's what leads to people changing sex.

 

[Karl]

So you believe they are females born in the wrong body? That's what leads to people changing sex.

Not exactly they have a females body except they will have small male genitalia. They are feminoids. Conversely someone that looks totally male but has female genitalia is called a masculoid. Changing their gender? Some do, some don't. But of course the gender change is cosmetic. Scientists do not have the knowledge to genetically alter them into the gender they want to be. The down side of cosmetic surgery is that they lose the ability to reproduce.

 

[Abdul-Halim265]

I don't think that subjects of sexuality have any place around children, but I do believe that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that love is love, regardless of gender. If you love someone for their personality, appearance, attitudes, actions, etc, exactly the same as a heterosexual person would, then what on earth is the problem with tht? Of course they cannot naturally reproduce, but in terms of feelings, everything is the same.

I may anger some people when I say this, but, unfortunately, too many people who claim to follow the Muslim faith seem to be giving into hatred and hating people on the basis of their sexuality. A lot needs to change. Barbarically repressing homosexuality has no place in modern society. We're not living in the 11th century.

I say this as a Muslim, who isn't homosexual.

-A.H.265

 

[theplains]

It is a SIN and a transgression against the laws and commands of God!

How do you know? Do you learn it from the Bible instead of the Islamic scriptures?

Peace,
Jim

 

[Aprender]

I don't think that subjects of sexuality have any place around children, but I do believe that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that love is love, regardless of gender. If you love someone for their personality, appearance, attitudes, actions, etc, exactly the same as a heterosexual person would, then what on earth is the problem with tht? Of course they cannot naturally reproduce, but in terms of feelings, everything is the same.

I may anger some people when I say this, but, unfortunately, too many people who claim to follow the Muslim faith seem to be giving into hatred and hating people on the basis of their sexuality. A lot needs to change. Barbarically repressing homosexuality has no place in modern society. We're not living in the 11th century.

I say this as a Muslim, who isn't homosexual.

-A.H.265

So, because Muslims, Christians or Jews who believe in Allah and His law disagree with introducing homosexuality and promoting it as normal, moral, and not a sin, that is hateful? So reminding people of the law of Allah and trying to protect children from that behavior makes believers hateful? That's basically what you said.

I do not hate gay people. But if Allah says that it is a sin. Then it is a sin. It doesn't matter whether we're living in the 7th century, the 23rd century or the here and now. The law of Allah has not changed and you would be wise to take heed of that. We can't just make up new rules as we go and say we're still striving to follow the commands of Allah.

No one is telling you to go around forming a lynch mob, attacking gays or saying hateful hurtful things to people in the LGBTQ community. If they want to live their lives that way, then OK. But just because someone disagrees doesn't equate hate. That's a strong word.

I disagree with your view on this subject as a Muslim but I do not hate you. I just think you're wrong. And that's OK. We can disagree.

 

[Abdul-Halim265]

So, because Muslims, Christians or Jews who believe in Allah and His law disagree with introducing homosexuality and promoting it as normal, moral, and not a sin, that is hateful? So reminding people of the law of Allah and trying to protect children from that behavior makes believers hateful? That's basically what you said.

I do not hate gay people. But if Allah says that it is a sin. Then it is a sin. It doesn't matter whether we're living in the 7th century, the 23rd century or the here and now. The law of Allah has not changed and you would be wise to take heed of that. We can't just make up new rules as we go and say we're still striving to follow the commands of Allah.

No one is telling you to go around forming a lynch mob, attacking gays or saying hateful hurtful things to people in the LGBTQ community. If they want to live their lives that way, then OK. But just because someone disagrees doesn't equate hate. That's a strong word.

I disagree with your view on this subject as a Muslim but I do not hate you. I just think you're wrong. And that's OK. We can disagree.

I'm not saying it ALWAYS equals hatred, but it does a hell of a lot of the time, especially when I look at comments on here by some people who are clearly raging in impotent fury over the mere thought of people being homosexual, exclamation marks and all (with one person even threatening to leave the country). But thank you brother, for being respectful of my opinion. I respect your opinion too, even if I also disagree with it.

 

[faithandpeace]

The act of homosexuality is a sin in Islam and if the act is witnessed by enough qualified witnesses or if they confess, the act is punishable per sharia. Simply having love for one's brother or sister for Allah's (swt) sake is not homosexuality but sexual attractions that could lead to al-zina should be controlled and avoided (i.e. lower one's gaze). We are in the 21st century but Islam does not change to suit modern comforts or conveniences. Allah (swt) knows best.

 

[Karl]

I don't think that subjects of sexuality have any place around children, but I do believe that homosexuality is NOT a sin, and that love is love, regardless of gender. If you love someone for their personality, appearance, attitudes, actions, etc, exactly the same as a heterosexual person would, then what on earth is the problem with tht? Of course they cannot naturally reproduce, but in terms of feelings, everything is the same.

I may anger some people when I say this, but, unfortunately, too many people who claim to follow the Muslim faith seem to be giving into hatred and hating people on the basis of their sexuality. A lot needs to change. Barbarically repressing homosexuality has no place in modern society. We're not living in the 11th century.

I say this as a Muslim, who isn't homosexual.

-A.H.265

What you have said is such a clichéd anti Islam spiel, everyone will think you are a troll.
P.S Parents should teach their children whatever they deem fit. Some parents will give their offspring sex education. While other parents that are prudes or molly coddlers may prefer to keep them ignorant. It is not up to anyone to dictate to me what I should or shouldn't teach my progeny.

 

[جوري]

How do you know? Do you learn it from the Bible instead of the Islamic scriptures?

Peace,
Jim

What a phony amalgamate you got there!
I know because that is what :Allah::swt: teaches and according to our resident christian glo your christian god doesn't consider homosexuality a sin- so how can your christian scriptures be a source of inspiration when it is nothing but a source of confusion for the lot of you?

best,

 

[جوري]

The act of homosexuality is a sin in Islam and if the act is witnessed by enough qualified witnesses or if they confess, the act is punishable per sharia. Simply having love for one's brother or sister for Allah's (swt) sake is not homosexuality but sexual attractions that could lead to al-zina should be controlled and avoided (i.e. lower one's gaze). We are in the 21st century but Islam does not change to suit modern comforts or conveniences. Allah (swt) knows best.

bares same punishment as regular adultery I believe.
People who defend thieves are thieves, people who defend murderers are murderers and people who defend adultery are adulterers .. if they can't do the punishment they shouldn't commit the crimes or the sins.. and I don't want to get into exceptional cases we're not here to introduce side topics or water down Islam for people to make it more palatable to their sinful hearts.

 

[جوري]

homosexuality is NOT a sin

Homosexuality is a sin- It isn't about your personal beliefs, It is about what :Allah::swt: elucidated in the Quran.
I reference you to all the verses on the people of Lut and the ahadith on the subject as well!

 

[جوري]

1- Homosexuality is forbidden in the Noble Quran:
Let us read the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
Noble Verses 26:165-166, 27:55, 29:28-29 were sent to me by brother Bassam Zawadi, may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth." (The Noble Quran, 29:28-29)"

Also, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"

This Hadith (Saying of the Prophet) is clearly saying:
1- A man can not see another man's private parts (butt and groin).
2- A woman also can not see another woman's private parts, including breasts except perhaps during the time of suckling a baby.
3- A man can not sleep with another stranger man in the same room.
4- A woman can not sleep with another stranger woman in the same room.

Note: Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam.

Doesn't this Hadith alone refute homosexuality in all its forms, according to Islam?​

[TD="bgcolor: #E9E9E9"] The Prophet's Commands are a must to follow according to the Noble Quran: The authentic Sunnah (the way the Prophet lived) and Hadiths (Sayings of the Prophet) of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. There are ample Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that Command the Muslims to follow not only the Noble Quran, but also the Commands of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him:
"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59) " "God did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of God, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error. (The Noble Quran, 3:164) " "Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Apostle's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner. (The Noble Quran, 5:92) " "(We sent) clear proofs and the scriptures. Now, We have sent you this reminder (Qur’an) so that you may demonstrate the revelations to them. Perhaps they may reflect and ponder! (The Noble Quran, 16:44) " "When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83) " "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157) " "Say: "Obey God, and obey the Apostle: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Apostle's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54) " "So establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and obey the Apostle; that ye may receive mercy. (The Noble Quran, 24:56) " "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God. (The Noble Quran, 33:21) " "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (The Noble Quran, 33:36) " "The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed God and obeyed the Apostle!" (The Noble Quran, 33:66) " "It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error;- (The Noble Quran, 62:2) " "So obey God, and obey His Apostle: but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Apostle is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly. (The Noble Quran, 64:12) "
Most of these Noble Verses were taken from Combat Kit To Use Against the "Quran Only" Muslims.

[/TD]

"And God did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs. And no female conceives, or lays down (her load), but with His knowledge. Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained). All this is easy to God. (The Noble Quran, 35:11)"
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"
"That He did create in pairs,- male and female, (The Noble Quran, 53:45)"
"And of him He made two sexes, male and female. (The Noble Quran, 75:39)"
"By (the mystery of) the creation of male and female; (The Noble Quran, 92:3)"
"Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. (The Noble Quran, 43:70)"
"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
"Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful; (The Noble Quran, 4:23)"
"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
When Allah Almighty revealed the Noble Quran to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, He revealed made it crystal clear to the Muslims that He created us in pairs (males and females) so we can live in peace and harmony together as husband and wife; see Noble Verses 30:21 and 43:70 above.
Not only that, but He also prohibited certain females for a male to marry in Noble Verse 4:23 above.
He also made it clear that marriage is done between a male and a female only. No same sex marriage even for those Muslims who commit major sins, such as fornication or adultery. See Noble Verses 24:3-5.


2- Homosexuals were cursed in the Noble Quran:
The references for the following Noble Verses were sent to me by brother Kashif Baig; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. (The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof.
"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)" The punishment is 100 stripes. See proof.
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
Homosexual marriage being allowed in Islam is nothing but a false claim that has absolutely no truth in it.

From http://www.answering-christianity.com/lesbian_rebuttal.htm:
To any knowledgeable person in Islamic studies, and to any person who knows just how strict and conservative the Divine and Truthful Religion of Islam regarding chastity and prohibition of lust, fornication, adultery and homosexuality, it becomes quite apparent to the person that Sam Shamoun is a hopeless case. He strives on writing gibberish and desperate nonsense that only occupies space without really providing any real Truth what so ever.

The following response will be divided into the following sections:
1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam.
2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste.


1- Lesbianism and homosexuality in Islam:
To any person with the least atom of a brain, the following Noble Verses clearly refute his lie regarding Islam allegedly allowing lesbianism or homosexuality in general:
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. (The Noble Quran, 4:15)" If the lesbian woman or women repent, then she or they would be set free. See proof.
"If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:16)" The punishment is 100 stripes. See proof.
"For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: Ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. (The Noble Quran, 7:81)"
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! (The Noble Quran, 27:55)"
"Let no (Muslim) man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a (Muslim) woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever (pagan woman): nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors; unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:3-5)"
"We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (The Noble Quran, 7:80)"
"(We also sent) Lut (as an apostle): behold, He said to his people, "Do ye do what is shameful though ye see (its iniquity)? (The Noble Quran, 27:54)"
"A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. (The Noble Quran, 24:1-2)"
"Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (The Noble Quran, 17:32)"
"O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with God, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness (of their sins): for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 60:12)"

2- Muslim men and women must remain Chaste:
Chastity in Islam is well defined in the Noble Quran. It is not just limited to sexual intercourse. It includes everything that deals with and promotes sex and sexual excitement! Talking loose, flirting, dressing inappropriately, promoting sexual and evil thoughts in the society are all condemned in the Noble Quran:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. (The Noble Quran, 24:31)"
"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
"If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And God hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:25)"
"This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good). (The Noble Quran, 5:5)"
"She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" (The Noble Quran, 19:20)"
"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste! (The Noble Quran, 19:28)"
"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- (The Noble Quran, 24:4)"
"Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty,- (The Noble Quran, 24:23)"

There are few important points to notice here, especially in Noble Verse 24:31 above:
1- Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslim women to look down when approaching men and to guard their modesty.
2- They must cover their bodies and only reveal their beauty to their husbands and few other relatives.
3- Out of stranger males, they can only uncover their hair in front of little children who "have no sense of the shame of sex".
4- Women can not "strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments." In other words, do not flirt!

I think point #3 pretty much sums it all up!​

The fact, from among stranger males, that women can only display the parts of their bodies that are above the shoulders to little children who don't know anything about sex, PROVES without doubt that lesbianism is illegal in Islam.
The sick pornographic and polytheist trinitarian pagan's point, Sam Shamoun that is, is simply that since lesbians' sex is not done by uniting the penis and the vagina together, or by inserting the penis into a vagina, then Islamically it is not forbidden. Since the two women would obviously have only vaginas, and since the Christian Western made "porn toys" didn't exist 1500 years ago, then to pornographic bible follower, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", sex between the two women in all its forms is legal.
What this pornographic polytheist trinitarian pagan doesn't realize is that the "shame of sex" that Allah Almighty talked about regarding the little boys, it would obviously include a condemnation of the two women having an inappropriate relationship with each others, even including just a loose and flirty talk directed at each others. Let alone having a physical sexual relationship.

This is further proven in the following Hadith:
'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"
Even bringing suspicion of being a homosexual, fornicator, adulterer or adulterous against yourself is forbidden in Islam. And to answer Sam Shamoun's silly points regarding lesbianism:

Doesn't "a woman should not see the private parts of another woman" soundly debunk your trash?​

The whole point of the veil is not just to have a scarf covering the woman. It also includes living a chaste and a non-loose and non-flirty life! That is why Allah Almighty even prevented women from striking their feet on the ground to make noise that would draw attention to them, so that men would think that they are trying to draw inappropriate attention to them, such as flirting, as shown in point #4 above.
And it's not just women who are Commanded to live a Chaste life. Men too are Commanded to live it, and to avoid causing evil in the society in all ways. This is mentioned in Noble Verse 33:35 above.
Women by nature can very dangerous, just as men by nature can be extremely brainless and stupid when they're sexually too high. Perhaps that is why we see much emphasis on women's' appearances than men in the Noble Quran. To men, a decent shirt and decent pants would do just fine as far as the outside "Chaste" looks are concerned. But to women, it can get much more complicated.
So to prevent some women from abusing their natural and magical beauty and attraction to men, Allah Almighty made it compulsory upon them to cover up, so that they won't eventually become satan's tools to destroy the Chastity of the Muslim society, as it is the case with the pornographic and sexually open christian societies today! Their women have no problem exposing 99% of their bodies through wearing bikinis, sometimes even topless bikinis, on the beaches. Their men and women have no problem in having sex without marriage. They have no problem in corrupting their children and legitimizing to them their illegal ways, etc....
So with all of this in mind, it is now clear that it is the intentions and the actions that are done to promote them, that really matter. Anyone like this polytheist trinitarian pagan and his team of corrupt infidels can act very stupid and twist the Text of the Noble Quran as they please, such as legalizing lesbianism. But they can only fool themselves!

 

[observer]

A couple of people have said the punishment for homosexuality is as per sharia - what is that punishment?

 

[جوري]

If they're caught and there are witnesses punishment is death I don't know if they're given a chance to repent it's a judicial matter!