how christian women view muslim women

[irsha]

No, slavery would actually be impossible according to Islamic law in the society we now live in, because no free person can be enslaved outside of military conflict where there are war captives,

Sorry, I just can't let this one go. What about the Pakistan attempted genocide of Bangladesh? That could be classed as within military conflict, would that gve them the right to have enslaved the Bangladeshi people? Many people do not even know what happened there, and noone has been charged with war crimes, it was all swept under the carpet. So, seeing no muslim country (other than Bangladesh) is calling for war crimes to be charged, is that a silent condoning of what happened there? I mean, the way they treated people in a "military conflict"?

No because God commands men and women to dress in the modest manner outlined in the Qur'an and the Sunnah whereas there is no command to take slaves.

In your opinion

Really?! I think that is a very sad statement. The plight of women who are forced to sell their bodies to strangers in the street is worsened when it is not recognized by others. The poverty of these women allows others to take advantage of them and abuse them. Do you think these women have any influence on society when they cannot even influence who gets to use their body next? If you really thik that prostitution is a position of power and authority, then why do the vast majority of women find the idea of selling their body for money to be degrading and despicable?

That is their right to think that, but have you asked the vast majority if they really think that? I think it would depend on how you asked the question. Many would have their price when it came down to it, after the movie "indecent proposal" I asked a few women who's first reaction was - "no way" when I asked them, what if someone offered you 10 million dollars, thinking of how much charity they could do- quess what, many changed their tune. Also, ask a Palestinian women would she do it for the price of freedom for her whole country- I can quess what the answer may be. The point is- everyone has their price, some just higher than others.
Peace.

Pleasse read the red response

 

[renak]

So the fact that they are getting pleasure at staring your body makes you feel womanly? If your daughter was in a room full of men admiring her body that would not least brother you? A true woman is a woman who pays no heed to going out naked, displaying her charms to anyone who likes thereof. Women have lost their sense of shyness (their womanly nature).

If my daughter were an adult, I would be very proud of her.

I may have lost my shyness; however, I luckily developed a high self-esteem. I am not going to let the lazy, weak men who can't control their lusty natures dictate what I should wear. In addition, I enjoy the male form and think men should enjoy the female form.

If you would like to truly understand my position, I would suggest reading my earlier posts on this thread. I'd love have some of my questions answered. Thanks!

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

If my daughter were an adult, I would be very proud of her.

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I may have lost my shyness; however, I luckily developed a high self-esteem.

Can't you keeping your body to you ownself give you that high self seteem?

In addition, I enjoy the male form and think men should enjoy the female form.

Im sure. Islamically speaking there is nothing wrong with it as long as it meets the shari'ah requirements i.e enjoying the pleasure of your husband. Thats the natural way.

If you would like to truly understand my position, I would suggest reading my earlier posts on this thread. I'd love have some of my questions answered. Thanks

Perhaps you could provide me a link to the post’s would like me to read though.

 

[irsha]

The thread is how christian women view muslim women, I think there are far more posts on how muslim women view christian women.
Anyway,
You cannot understand how western women dress and are so uninhibitted, many of us cannot understand how muslim women are so covered and kept from public eyes, especially when wearing the viel hiding your beautiful smiles.
It all comes down to culture. We should each have an understanding of how the other feels, isn't that why this thread was opened?
I have no problem the human body being seen, but I also have no problem with women who do'nt want to be seen. The only time it is a problem is when one tries to tell the other what they MUST do.

 

[_Mujahida]

Very interesting. It's true that Muslim women are perceived as oppressed by alot of people. It's a shame, because most Muslimahs feel liberated by their hijab. Islam gave us rights that modern women were only given in the last 100 years. Alot of people forget this and think we are 'hiding' behind the veil, and our fathers/husbands have probably beaten us into wearing hijab. Subhan-Allah.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

There stares do not bother me at all. The stares do not make me feel dirty or slutty. Instead, they make me feel womanly.

Do you get ticked off when women stare at you?

if they do stare its coz i luk like a MUJAHID ;D but honestly sis.... these people are having very dirty thoughts when they look at you. These dirty thoughts will lead to dirty actions as the saying goes,

be careful of your thoughts they turn into words
be careful of your words they turn into actions...

so plz do be careful coz men... there not simply appreciating your feminine qualities... believe me there going more then that :X

 

[irsha]

Very interesting. It's true that Muslim women are perceived as oppressed by alot of people. It's a shame, because most Muslimahs feel liberated by their hijab. Islam gave us rights that modern women were only given in the last 100 years. Alot of people forget this and think we are 'hiding' behind the veil, and our fathers/husbands have probably beaten us into wearing hijab. Subhan-Allah.

That is very interesting, that you feel liberated, so do I, I feel liberated when I can dress how I want. There is nohing like the feeling of liberation when I go to a nude beach, so we each fel liberated, but in different ways.
As to the other thing you said, I don't see how what happened over 1400 to 100 years ago maters, tere is hardly anyone left alive that can remember that.

 

[_Mujahida]

I think history does matter, it tells alot. If you feel liberated by that, and you are allowed to do that, why can't we dress the way we feel comfortable? Or must we be forced to feel violated?

 

[renak]

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Can't you keeping your body to you ownself give you that high self seteem?


Sure. It works both ways. I am sure you can obtain a high self-esteem being covered. However, in my society, as a working woman, I would not be accepted if I were covered. Dressing in modern fashion is a necessity.

Im sure. Islamically speaking there is nothing wrong with it as long as it meets the shari'ah requirements i.e enjoying the pleasure of your husband. Thats the natural way.

In all due respect, I've yet to be convinced that traditional dress is a requirement in Islam.

Perhaps you could provide me a link to the post’s would like me to read though.

I was just referring to my posts on this thread.

 

[irsha]

Hey, thats a bit unfair, I already said you have every right to dress how you want, and so do I, it only becomes a problem if one of us tells the other what they MUST do.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

I was just referring to my posts on this thread.

Which post's :rollseyes

 

[hamzaa]

The thread is how christian women view muslim women, I think there are far more posts on how muslim women view christian women.
Anyway,
You cannot understand how western women dress and are so uninhibitted, many of us cannot understand how muslim women are so covered and kept from public eyes, especially when wearing the viel hiding your beautiful smiles.
It all comes down to culture. We should each have an understanding of how the other feels, isn't that why this thread was opened?
I have no problem the human body being seen, but I also have no problem with women who do'nt want to be seen. The only time it is a problem is when one tries to tell the other what they MUST do.

Peace, its not a cultural issue.........

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Hey, thats a bit unfair, I already said you have every right to dress how you want, and so do I, it only becomes a problem if one of us tells the other what they MUST do.

I agree. That's why i think this ban is unfair.ffended:

 

[hamzaa]

Which post's :rollseyes

salaam, those posts!;D

 

[irsha]

what ban?

 

[renak]

The thread is how christian women view muslim women, I think there are far more posts on how muslim women view christian women.
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This does seem to be the unfortunate case. It does appear that the Muslim woman has a much harder time accepting and respecting the non-muslim woman, than vice versa. This makes me wonder why there are SO many threads pertaining to the Muslim woman trying to defend her attire. To be quite honest, I don't think that many non-muslim women care how the Muslim woman dresses (nor do they tend to pass judgement).

 

[irsha]

True, I couldn't care less what they wear. I certainly would not weasr it, but then I wouldn't wear a drop waist skirt either.

 

[renak]

Very interesting. It's true that Muslim women are perceived as oppressed by alot of people. It's a shame, because most Muslimahs feel liberated by their hijab. Islam gave us rights that modern women were only given in the last 100 years. Alot of people forget this and think we are 'hiding' behind the veil, and our fathers/husbands have probably beaten us into wearing hijab. Subhan-Allah.

I don't know where you are located. However, I really don't think that the majority of people in the USA view the Muslim woman as being oppressed, or automatically consider them to be victims of domestic abuse. I think the Muslim woman is fretting about this needlessly.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

what ban?

sorry... wrong thread

 

[renak]

if they do stare its coz i luk like a MUJAHID ;D but honestly sis.... these people are having very dirty thoughts when they look at you. These dirty thoughts will lead to dirty actions as the saying goes,

be careful of your thoughts they turn into words
be careful of your words they turn into actions...

so plz do be careful coz men... there not simply appreciating your feminine qualities... believe me there going more then that :X

Abd'Majid, I do appreciate your concern. However, the dirty thoughts of men do not concern me. In fact, if the men are incapable of seeing past my physical attributes, they are probably quite easy for me to manipulate. Thus, I can use them to my advantage.