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Salam alaykum

^^ Thanks sister about telling some background information. We all should sometimes slow down a little before we start to tell our own opinions, judge things and link every incidents to the foreign policy of the US.
 
I always wondered why they havn't done that already, I mean the banning from the social media. They seem to know which social media accounts belong to them, so why not just delete them right?
 
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I know two of them:

The White Killer is Dylan Roof, who killed 9 people in a black church in Charleston, South Carolina on June 17, 2015.

The Christian Killer is Robert Deer, who killed killed 3 in a Planned Parenthood facility just a few weeks ago.

--Dan Edge

Yes and the atheist killer is Stephen Hicks who killed 3 Muslim students in Chapel Hill February 10th 2015.
 
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Yeah, I know what you mean, but the problem is that deleting social media accounts will probably cause outrage due to the protection that First Amendment affords to free speech. That said, I do believe banning their social media from being available to access through satellite blockage in the U.S. might help reduce such incidents. Maybe saying these accounts constitute national security threats might help, although others might be wary because probably this sets a very bad precedent for a person who wants to abuse power to eliminate disliked free speech.

I always wondered why they havn't done that already, I mean the banning from the social media. They seem to know which social media accounts belong to them, so why not just delete them right?

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I always wondered why they havn't done that already, I mean the banning from the social media. They seem to know which social media accounts belong to them, so why not just delete them right?

Possibly something do with net neutrality - or freedom of speech laws but I'm not really sure.
 
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Btw, is it okay for me as a Muslim to admit that these kinds of incidents freak me out? Because they do!

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Btw, is it okay for me as a Muslim to admit that these kinds of incidents freak me out? Because they do!

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It's true though, terrorists are haters and and murderous colonialists are lovers,
Terrorists hate being murdered and colonized, and colonizers love murdering and colonizing.
george washington was a terrorist aswell, lol, to think of it, a tertorist became the first president of a new country almost as large as all of europe combined.
Someone should do a survey of which countries make the most weapons and categorize them by way of life.
That should shut the mouths of certain shill uncle toms who expect Muslims to act like domesticated animals always apologizing for the Quran and adding fuel to the false "either a religion of peace or a religion of violence" paradigm when having done nothing wrong.
The Quran is a balanced critereon and allows a community to become peaceful students and scientists when the situation allows, and vicious warriors when the situation requires, all within the guidance of God, it has departments of armed soldiery, departments of justice, departments of agriculture, business, architecture, social wellbeing, charity, poor due, etc.


الشَّهْرُ الْحَرَامُ بِالشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْحُرُمَاتُ قِصَاصٌ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ {194*

Sahih International: [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution.
So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Pickthall: The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

Yusuf Ali: The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.

Shakir: The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Muhammad Sarwar: It is because of their disrespect of a sacred month that you are also allowed to retaliate against them in a sacred month. If any one transgresses against you, you also may retaliate against them to an equal extent. Have fear of God and know that He supports the pious.

Mohsin Khan: The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2) .

Arberry: The holy month for the holy month; holy things demand retaliation. Whoso commits aggression against you, do you commit aggression against him like as he has committed against you, and fear you God, and know that God is with the godfearing

Quran 2:194


ذَلِكَ وَمَنْ عَاقَبَ بِمِثْلِ مَا عُوقِبَ بِهِ ثُمَّ بُغِيَ عَلَيْهِ لَيَنصُرَنَّهُ اللَّهُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَعَفُوٌّ غَفُورٌ

Sahih International: That [is so]. And whoever responds [to injustice] with the equivalent of that with which he was harmed and then is tyrannized - Allah will surely aid him. Indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.

Pickthall: That (is so). And whoso hath retaliated with the like of that which he was made to suffer and then hath (again) been wronged, Allah will succour him. Lo! Allah verily is Mild, Forgiving.

Yusuf Ali: That (is so). And if one has retaliated to no greater extent than the injury he received, and is again set upon inordinately, Allah will help him: for Allah is One that blots out (sins) and forgives (again and again).

Shakir: That (shall be so); and he who retaliates with the like of that with which he has been afflicted and he has been oppressed, Allah will most certainly aid him; most surely Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.Muhammad

Sarwar: One who is wronged and who retaliates by that which is equal to his suffering, God will certainly help him; He is All-pardoning and All-forgiving.

Mohsin Khan: That is so. And whoever has retaliated with the like of that which he was made to suffer, and then has again been wronged, Allah will surely help him. Verily! Allah indeed is Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.

Arberry: All that; and whosoever chastises after the manner that he was chastised and then again is oppressed, assuredly God will help him; surely God is All-pardoning, All-forgiving.

Quran 22:60
 
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Yes, I'm sure all of this is very funny to you, a guy who watches from the sidelines and enjoys when America gets what is coming to us, but this is unfunny to the rest of us Americans here who live within the States as we have to deal with the reality of having had another incident of domestic terrorism.

Not that you care, but domestic terrorism is beginning to take on the faces of regular people who had every possible reason to live out their lives in peace but chose instead to destroy others' for violence's sake.

Yes, it freaks me out. And it is starting to freak out other Muslims too. If we can't trust our Muslim brothers and sisters, then who can we trust?

Rhetorical question. So, I'm not looking for answers.

I take your point about George Washington throwing in his lot with the rebels against English Crown, but that was a different time period, different story, and different sides: Here, we're talking about TODAY, GLOBAL POPULACE, and BOTH MUSLIMS and NON-MUSLIMS being tired of ACTS OF TERRORISM.

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are you absolutely stupid or what?
is it still difficult to see who the aggressors are after the 9/11 false flag and the wmd lie?
along with all the other murderous lies to cover up every single crime against humanity accross the globe?
it is actually pleasing to see you squirm when you've killed millions of innocent people around the globe based on utter lies and are wondering why they hate you.
the fact that you're trying to create a pacified and scared apologetic Muslim community as you've begun more unlawful bombing campaigns is quite obvious to anyone who cares to browse the forum.


maybe you still think millions of iraqis should be killed by those criminals who possess weapons of mass destruction because saddam hussein doesn't have (probably got rid of) the weapons of mass destruction that those aggressors gave him to use, or maybe you still think it's ok to invade afghanistan and kill millions of afghans while supporting the northern alliance and NATO criminals in their opium plantations because you staged a false flag event on 9/11 and ther afghans refused to hand over Usama.


or maybe you'll just help them in their oppressions by saying untruthfully "oh we have nothing to do with evil saddam and usama, because there is no violence in Islam and they subscribe to something called jeehad in the way of Allah which doesn't exist in Islam".
just so the real aggressors can say: "ya see!? the moderate Muslims even condemn these extremists, so let's go and illegally invade another land and murder millions of innocent people".

FEAR ALLAH, HIS MERCY IS GREAT, AND HIS WRATH IS NOT FAR FROM THE OPPRESSORS AND THEIR MUNAFIQ AGENT UNCLE TOMS.


Pre-Badr Missions and Invasions
With a view to implementing these plans, the Muslims commenced real military activities, which at first took the form of reconnaissance patrols delegated to explore the geopolitical features of the roads surrounding Madinah and others leading to Makkah, and building alliances with the tribes nearby.

The Prophet wanted to impress upon the polytheists and Jews of Madinah as well as the bedouins in its vicinity, that the Muslims had smashed their old fears, and had been too strong to be attacked with impunity. He also wanted to display the power of his followers in order to deter Quraish from committing any military folly against him which might jeopardize their economic life and means of living, and to stop them from persecuting the helpless Muslims detained in Makkah, consequently he would avail himself of this opportunity and resume his job of propagating the Divine Call freely.

The following is a resume of these missions and errands:

Saif Al-Bahr Platoon sent in Ramadan 1 A.H., i.e. 623 A.D. led by Hamzah bin ‘Abdul Muttalib and comprising 30 Emigrants with a definite task of intercepting a caravan belonging to Quraish. It was a caravan of 300 people including Abu Jahl bin Hisham. The two parties encountered each other and aligned in preparation for fighting. Majdi bin ‘Amr, on good terms with both sides, happened to be there and managed to prevent an imminent clash.
On that occasion, the Prophet [pbuh] accredited the first flag in the history of Muslims. It was white in colour and was entrusted to Kinaz bin Husain Al-Ghanawi, to carry.
In Shawwal, 1 A.H., i.e. April 623 A.D. The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] despatched ‘Ubaidah bin Al-Harith bin Al-Muttalib at the head of 60 horsemen of Emigrants to a spot called Batn Rabegh where they encountered Abu Sufyan at the head of a caravan of 200 men. There was arrow shooting but no actual fighting.
It is interesting to note that two Muslims, Al-Miqdad bin ‘Amr Al-Bahrani and ‘Utbah bin Ghazwan Al-Mazini, defected from the caravan of Quraish and joined the ranks of ‘Ubaidah. The Muslims had a white flag carried by Mistah bin Athatha bin Al-Muttalib bin ‘Abd Munaf.
In Dhul Qa‘dah 1 A.H., i.e. May 623 A.D. the Prophet [pbuh] despatched Sa‘d bin Abi Waqqas at the head of 20 horsemen, and instructed them not to go beyond Al-Kharrar.
After a five-day march they reached the spot to discover that the camels of Quraish had left the day before; their flag, as usual, was white and carried by Al-Miqdad bin ‘Amr.
Ghazwa Al-Abwa’ or Waddan. It was in Safar 2 A.H., i.e. 623 A.D. The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] set out himself at the head of 70 men, mostly Emigrants, to intercept a camel caravan belonging to Quraish, leaving behind Sa‘d bin ‘Ubadah to dispose the affairs in Madinah. When he reached Waddan, a place between Makkah and Madinah, he found none.
In the process of this campaign, he contracted a non-aggression pact with ‘Amr bin Makhshi Ad-Damari. The provisions of the pact go as follows:

"This is a document from Muhammad, the Messenger of Allâh concerning Bani Damrah in which he established them safe and secure in their wealth and lives. They can expect support from the Muslims unless they oppose the religion of Allâh. They are also expected to respond positively in case the Prophet sought their help."

This was the first invasion under the leadership of the Messenger of Allâh. It took fifteen days, with a white flag carried by Hamzah bin ‘Abdul Muttalib.

Buwat Invasion:
It took place in Rabi‘ Al-Awwal 2 A.H., i.e. 623 A.D. The Prophet [pbuh], at the head of 200 companions, marched for Buwat to intercept a caravan belonging to Quraish comprising 100 Quraishites, Omaiya bin Khalaf among them, and 2500 camels. When he reached Buwat, the caravan had left. Before leaving Madinah, he mandated Sa‘d bin Mu‘adh to dispose the affairs until his return.

Safwan Invasion:
In Rabi‘ Al-Awwal 2 A.H., i.e. 623 A.D. Karz bin Jabir at the head of a small group of polytheists raided the pastures of Madinah and looted some animals. The Prophet [pbuh] at the head of 70 men left Madinah to fight the aggressors. He went in their pursuit till he reached a place called Safwan near Badr but could not catch up with them. This invasion came to be known as the preliminary Badr Invasion. During his absence, the Prophet [pbuh] entrusted Zaid bin Harithah with the disposition of the affairs in Madinah. The standard was white in colour and entrusted to ‘Ali bin Abi Talib to carry.

Dhil ‘Ushairah Invasion:
It was in Jumada-al-Ula and Jumada-al-Akhirah the first or second 2 A.H., i.e. November-December 623 A.D. The Prophet [pbuh] at the head of 150-200 Muslim volunteers, with 30 camels which they rode turn by turn, set out to intercept a Quraishite caravan. He reached Dhil ‘Ushairah but the camels had left some days before. These camels were the same that he went out to intercept on their return from Syria, and were the direct reason for the break out of the battle of Badr. In the process of this campaign, the Prophet [pbuh] contracted a non-aggression pact with Bani Madlij and their allies Bani Dhumrah. Abu Salama bin ‘Abd Al-Asad Al-Makhzumi was mandated to rule Madinah in his absence.

The Platoon of Nakhlah
It took place in Rajab 2 A.H., i.e. January 624 A.H. The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] despatched ‘Abdullah bin Jahsh Asadi to Nakhlah at the head of 12 Emigrants with six camels. ‘Abdullah was given a letter by the Prophet [pbuh] but was instructed to read it only after two days. He followed the instructions and discovered that he was asked to go on to a place called Nakhlah standing between Makkah and At-Ta’if, intercept a caravan for Quraish and collect news about their intentions. He disclosed the contents of the letters to his fellows who blindly obeyed the orders. At Nakhlah, the caravan passed carrying loads of raisins (dried grapes), food stuff and other commodities. Notable polytheists were also there such as ‘Amr bin Al-Hadrami, ‘Uthman and Naufal, sons of ‘Abdullah bin Al-Mugheerah and others...
The Muslims held consultations among themselves with respect to fighting them taking into account Rajab which was a sacred month (during which, along with Dhul Hijja, Dhul Qa‘da and Muharram, war activities were suspended as was the custom in Arabia then). At last they agreed to engage with them in fighting. ‘Amr bin Al-Hadrami was shot dead by an arrow, ‘Uthman and Al-Hakam were captured whereas Naufal escaped. They came back with the booty and the two prisoners. They set aside one-fifth of the booty assigned to Allâh and His Messenger, and took the rest. The Messenger disapproved of that act and suspended any action as regards the camels and the two captives on account of the prohibited months already mentioned. The polytheists, on their part, exploited this golden opportunity to calumniate the Muslims and accuse them of violating what is Divinely inviolable. This idle talk brought about a painful headache to Muhammad’s Companions, until at last they were relieved when the Revelation came down giving a decisive answer and stating quite explicitly that the behaviour of the polytheists in the whole process was much more heinous and far more serious than the act of the Muslims:

"They ask you concerning fighting in the sacred months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar). Say, ‘Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allâh is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing."


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The Words of Allâh were quite clear and said that the tumult created by the polytheists was groundless. The sacred inviolable sanctities had been repeatedly violated in the long process of fighting Islam and persecuting its adherents. The wealth of the Muslims as well as their homes had already been violated and their Prophet [pbuh] had been the target of repeated attempts on his life. In short, that sort of propaganda could deservedly be described as impudence and pr0stitution.

This has been a resume of pre-Badr platoons and invasions. None of them witnessed any sort of looting property or killing people except when the polytheists had committed such crimes under the leadership of Karz bin Jabir Al-Fahri. It was, in fact, the polytheists who had initiated such acts. No wonder, for such ill-behaviour is immanent in their natural disposition.

Shortly afterwards, the two captives were released and blood money was given to the killed man’s father.

After this event, Quraish began to realize the real danger that Madinah could present with. They came to know that Madinah had always been on the alert, watching closely their commercial caravans. It was then common knowledge to them that the Muslims in their new abode could span and extend their military activities over an area of 300 miles. and bring it under full control. However, the new situation borne in mind, the Makkans could not be deterred and were too obstinate to come to terms with the new rising power of Islam. They were determined to bring their fall by their own hands and with this recklessness they precipitated the great battle of Badr.
The Muslims, on the other hand, and at the behest of their Lord, were ordered to go to war in Sha‘ban 2 A.H:
"And fight, in the way of Allâh those who fight you; but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah (polytheism or calamity) is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (the Sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of ) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimûn (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"


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Before long, Allâh again sent the Muslims a different sort of verses whereby teaching them ways of fighting, urging them to go to war and demonstrating relevant rules:
"So, when you meet (in fight - Jihâd in Allâh’s cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allâh to continue in carrying out Jihâd against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allâh’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the way of Allâh, He will never let their deeds be lost. He will guide them and set right their state. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to them (i.e. they will know their places in Paradise more than they used to know their houses in the world). O you who believe! If you help (in the cause of) Allâh, He will help you, and make your foothold firm."


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Shortly afterwards, Allâh began to dispraise the hypocrites, the weak at heart and cowardly elements:
"But when a decisive Sûrah (explaining and ordering things) is sent down, and fighting (Jihâd — the holy fighting) is mentioned (i.e. ordained) therein, you will see those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) looking at you with a look of one fainting to death. "


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The prevalent exigencies required as a top priority exhorting the Muslims to fight. Any leader with a deep insight would order his soldiers to get ready for any sort of emergency, let alone the All-Knowing Exalted Lord, Who is at all times omniscient of the minutest details of affairs. The event of that skirmish with the polytheists dealt a heavy blow to the pride of Quraish and created a sort of horrible restlessness amongst them.

The aforementioned Qur’ânic verses, enjoining the Muslims to strive in the cause of Allâh, betrayed the proximity of blood clashes that would be crowned by a decisive victory for the Muslims, and final expulsion of polytheists out of the Sacred City, Makkah. They referred to rules pertinent to the treatment of captives and slaughtering the pagan soldiers till the war ended and laid down its burdens. All of these could act as clues to a final triumph that would envelop the strife of the Muslims towards their noble objectives.

Another event of great significance featured the same month Sha‘ban 2 A.H., i.e. February 624 A.D., which was a Divine injunction ordering that Al-Qiblah be changed from Jerusalem to the Sacred Mosque in Makkah.

That was of a great advantage to the Muslims at two levels.

First, it brought about a kind of social sifting, so to speak, in terms of the hypocrites of the Jews and others weak at heart, and revealed their true nature and inclinations; the ranks of the Muslims were thereby purged from those discord-prone elements.

Second, facing a new Qiblah, the Sacred Mosque in Makkah, refers gently to a new role awaiting the Muslims to take up, and would start only after the repatriation of the Muslims to their Sacred City, Makkah for it is not logical for the Muslims to leave their Qiblah at the mercy of non-Muslims. The Muslims, therefore, at the behest of Allâh and on account of those Divine clues, augmented their activities and their tendency towards striving in the cause of Allâh and encountering His enemies in a decisive battle were greatly intensified.

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Abz,

As usual, your emotional outburst shames your "cause," your religion, and your self. I'm glad you're on Islamic Board because you provide a perfect counter-example for how not to engage in public discourse. Visitors can see the contrast between Muslims who participate in discussions peacefully, thoughtfully, and respectfully -- versus those who only know how to incite hostility, regurgitate dogma, and insult others. One could be concerned about your violent ambitions, but not really, since you spend all your time re-posting other people's ideas and trying to bully women over the web.

You deserved it,

--Dan Edge
 
i disagree with you, he is actually pointing out facts, which no1 seems to acknowledge..so he comes across as a bully... as for the sister that post her love towards the west it actually is clear...if she truly awaits Imam Mahdi and maybe she should ponder if the ones that are non muslim that she defends in almost every thread of this nature, she should ask herself if those very people will ''fight'' alongside Imam Mahdi or if she herself would, seeing that we are a ''peaceful'' people.

Her rhetorical question lol...Who can she TRUST...lol... Trust Allah my dear...
 
Theres mass shooting in the US every single day (committed by Americans). I condemn the terrorist attack but think the media is taking it to far as usual
 
Is it necessary to label those criminals as "Christian", "Muslim", "Atheist", "White", "Black" etc? We should call them all by their real names: killers, criminals, haters, racists.
 
Greetings and peace be with you;


No headline about anything else, just Muslim?

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The San Bernardino shooting was the second mass shooting on the day, and the 355th this year, which is pretty much in line with the 354 news headlines. In my mind, any mass shooting creates terror, they are all acts of terrorism. We cannot go out and bomb Christian, atheist and Muslim countries, once we find out the terrorists background.

We shall all have to stand before God, and justify how we treat our neighbours.

In the spirit of praying for peace in our day,

Eric
 
I guess gone are the days of fire and brimstone from the skys and plagues by which God warns people.


...Allah swt needs nothing and no one.

...and the devils been around for a while aswell.


Nobody should let there actions seem... Fair seeming to them.
 
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there you go again with your false stuttering labelling made smooth by a deceitful media when you are lacking an answer for all the murderous crimes you daily commit and are seen to be the criminals you really are, you turn to accusing the aggressed against of being the aggressors in order to deceive the masses, don't get confused by the false rhetoric people, the truth is plain to see.
Look at the amount of weapons this criminal munafiq and her infidel allies churn out every year to see where the violence is coming from and look at the number of murders they commit every year based on utter lies and false flag psychological warfare.
resorting to slandering me as an extremist is not going to save criminal murderous infidels from the just deserts of their flagrant sins against God and their crimes against humanity day after day, year after year, decade after decade, neither will disaster cease to confront them unless there's some sincere repentance.
neither heaven nor earth will shed a tear at your destruction oh criminal kuffar, the righteous cry out from the graves for justice, the only ones who cry for you are those hell-bound like yourselves.

Tell me, the people who get killed by Muslims in retaliation, do they not have the right to Dawah and possibly revert to Islam?

How do the Muslim killers know what the future could or would have been for these now dead people, who Allah apparently created?

Or is it a case of predestination and when your time is up, that's it? Which would apply to muslims as well I assume?

So if it's under Allah's control how can mere humans including Muslims not accept that?
 
Tell me, the people who get killed by Muslims in retaliation, do they not have the right to Dawah and possibly revert to Islam?

How do the Muslim killers know what the future could or would have been for these now dead people, who Allah apparently created?

Or is it a case of predestination and when your time is up, that's it? Which would apply to muslims as well I assume?

So if it's under Allah's control how can mere humans including Muslims not accept that?

Clear dawah has been made and Islam takes up possibly 20-50% the news, in this age of internet, Britain and the U.S would be amongst the last places on the planet to claim that nobody had a chance to learn and walk aright
You'd have to research the details of how the Prophet pbuh and khulafa would offer the option to allow dawah under Islamic rule, but how once the leadership refused, the whole nation would be considered enemy territory,
If you're the pro-kafir liberal type and think that was too long ago, and you need kufr examples to make you reflect, you'd need to look at how Afghanistan was attacked in the name of "handing over usama" despite the fact that there was no evidence of wrongdoing on his part, and how thousands of people who couldn't even read and write (let alone afford a T.V set) slaughtered despite never having heard of 9/11 which later turned out to be a false flag.

There is a pertinent responsibility of the people to pay attention to what is happening, and to take full responsibility for the crimes of their government when they claim to live in a democracy controlled by the people.
In a democracy, the people are a syndicate.
Ask yourself if the babies who have been bombed by nato in Syria, iraq, afganistan, yemen and the scores of other countries that have been bombed in the past decade alone have a chance to grow up and learn, ask yourself whether your government has a right to provoke a war and slaughter it's people.
the people have a right to establish the laws of Allah without your governments hiring puppets to harm them and using the media to scare everyone about sheraya law and hand chopping, we don't go on about the fact that you electrocute and gas people to death if the capital punishment is justly due in your country, why did you provoke wars and then start pretending to care when you don't, why didn't you take the fire worshippers and the sodomites and the atheists rather than use them as propaganda capital, then after filming slaughters that you carefully and purposefully fomented, pretend that you care about Muslim refugees and make them out to be helpless pitiful sods that you were being charitable to?

Think, repent, walk aright, quick. The people of Jonah had a lot less time than you, but the king came down from his throne and told everyone to repent of their crimes against God - and when they sincerely repented with the intention to walk aright, God forgave them despite the punishment having been set.
 
Is it necessary to label those criminals as "Christian", "Muslim", "Atheist", "White", "Black" etc? We should call them all by their real names: killers, criminals, haters, racists.
You made an exelente point...and I my self would not have any problem that....

But also, I can not Ignore FACTS...something that a lot of people here says my brother Abz is pointing out...

So, can we balance this FACTS?

What the slavering white of the 1700-1800 were call?

The KKK?

Jones Town?

USA had some many cases where people using the flag of Christian...did horrible unspeakble things..

Make no misteiks....these were call Christians....with the following word to it CULT!

And we have no problem calling such....its very simple....

Anyone know that THEY DO NOT REPRESENT THE VALUES FOUND IN THE GOSPELS...

There is no reason to go up in arms to say that they are no Christians...but will add Cult Ideology.....

Its actualy very simple....when you actualy define a muslam extremist...you could just be saying that they DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAMIC CORE VALUES....that it!

And you make a clear distincion of what is what.....

No calling out just make confusion and the picture becomes blurry...

I hope you understand my point..

God bless!
 
Yes I understand your point. I see this might be a cultural matter like in my country it´s very rare that in the news (specially when someone has commited a crime) the newspaper would mention his/hers religion. We here see it´s irrelevant information. By this I mean the local happenings. International news are different thing but then the text of news comes from some other news agency.
 
Yes I understand your point. I see this might be a cultural matter like in my country it´s very rare that in the news (specially when someone has commited a crime) the newspaper would mention his/hers religion. We here see it´s irrelevant information. By this I mean the local happenings. International news are different thing but then the text of news comes from some other news agency.
This is true here sometimes....sometimes religion is not called out becouse the context of most people being Chriatians...so that may occurr too...

It all depends on the matter of the action of what happened...

Its know to history the Christians did and allowed slavery...its also true that anothers Christians fought to free slaves....

KKK case....white supremacists! Call them selfs Christians....that was call out a Cult...but a Christian Cult

To some extention, we kind of do not denied the rigth if somebody wants to be called Christian....but we make sure that a diference is call out...so there is no confusion...

Now, its up to Muslams to decide if the diference have to be call out or not....

West will make that assumption...its normal to them...and if this diference is not made clear by Muslams, the situation may will get complicated...

Some Christians allowed slavery...we did not started nor were the only ones to do it...but come to a point were we also broke the chain....a very ugly one....and took way to long!!!!

Some people used the bible to.maintain these chains!...UNBELIEVEBLE! but it proves that a person with a wrong intetion or goal can twist the word of God to justify and say whatever they want...

Like KKK, Jone Town, and so many others.....that call them selfs Christians but were also extremists and Cult...

Again, its up to.Muslams to.decide and to lead whatever direction is decided..

Thanks and God bless!
 

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