How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?

[Simple_Person]

what have salafi islamist contributed to this world, other than regressing the ummah economically, scientifically, intellectually, and militarily, and bringing death, chaos, instability, turmoil, violence, and destruction of history, nations, and unity of this ummah? they have refused to unite with the "rafidah" leading to the Iran-Saudi Arabia proxy conflict which has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, and the failure to cooperate for good, and protection, they have refused to cooperate with sufis, and label anyone who disagrees with them as heretics, they say everything is haram, they bring nothing but disorder, while the people of the Gulen movement have educated millions of people to become elites, professors, etc. and sufis like Hamza Yusuf have educated people on modern day issues, and promoted unity and strength

I am not sure if you are saying what you should be saying. What does "Salafi" mean according to you?

btw, as far as i know, Hamza Yusuf started with Sufism, but no longer associates himself with Sufism.

 

[azc]

what have salafi islamist contributed to this world, other than regressing the ummah economically, scientifically, intellectually, and militarily, and bringing death, chaos, instability, turmoil, violence, and destruction of history, nations, and unity of this ummah? they have refused to unite with the "rafidah" leading to the Iran-Saudi Arabia proxy conflict which has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, and the failure to cooperate for good, and protection, they have refused to cooperate with sufis, and label anyone who disagrees with them as heretics, they say everything is haram, they bring nothing but disorder, while the people of the Gulen movement have educated millions of people to become elites, professors, etc. and sufis like Hamza Yusuf have educated people on modern day issues, and promoted unity and strength

unity is a dream bro......I've never heard sh hamza yusuf

 

[Mustafa16]

I am not sure if you are saying what you should be saying. What does "Salafi" mean according to you?

btw, as far as i know, Hamza Yusuf started with Sufism, but no longer associates himself with Sufism.

salafis follow a literalist interpretation of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and follow the "exoteric" meaning of texts. They look to the first 3 generations of Muslims as the primary source of guidance, and they have a harsh and loose interpretation of what constitutes bidah and shirk.

 

[MuslimInshallah]

I am not sure if you are saying what you should be saying. What does "Salafi" mean according to you?

btw, as far as i know, Hamza Yusuf started with Sufism, but no longer associates himself with Sufism.

Assalaamu alaikum,

(mildly) I do not know much about Hamza Yusuf, but from what I have observed, it seems to me that it would depend on what you mean by "Sufism". (smile) If you mean, does he believe in the spiritual dimensions of Islam, I would say yes. If you mean does he agree with everything that some people colouring themselves as on a spiritual path and calling themselves Sufi are doing, I would say no.

(sigh) It is hard to know, sometimes, how to talk about things. It seems to me that language has become distorted. (smile) But let us continue to talk with one another in respect and kindness, and perhaps we can deepen our understandings.


May God, the One, Bless all those who sincerely strive to Please Him.

 

[Simple_Person]

salafis follow a literalist interpretation of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and follow the "exoteric" meaning of texts. They look to the first 3 generations of Muslims as the primary source of guidance, and they have a harsh and loose interpretation of what constitutes bidah and shirk.

I don't get it, as what you are saying is contradictory.

First you say (Part 1) "salafis follow a literalist interpretation of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, and follow the "exoteric" meaning of texts"

THEN you say (Part 2) "They look to the first 3 generations of Muslims as the primary source of guidance," AND THEN YOU SAY (Part 3) "and they have a harsh and loose interpretation of what constitutes bidah and shirk."

Isn't a salafi a person who is following part 2 by default. If somebody says he is a salafi, but does part 1 and part 3 and claims he is of part 2, that does NOT make him of part 2 as part 2 does not do part 1 and part 3 and thus contradictory of what you are saying.

However on top of that, it looks like you are saying that if person X looks at the first 3 generation of Muslims for guidance etc (part 2), becomes a litteralist of the Qur'an and is harsh and loose interpretation of what constitutes bidah and shirk.

Please explain this contradictory as it is very confusing to me.

Also could you please explain to me why being a follower of the first 3 generation is a good thing or why is it a bad thing?

 

[Simple_Person]

Assalaamu alaikum,

(mildly) I do not know much about Hamza Yusuf, but from what I have observed, it seems to me that it would depend on what you mean by "Sufism". (smile) If you mean, does he believe in the spiritual dimensions of Islam, I would say yes. If you mean does he agree with everything that some people colouring themselves as on a spiritual path and calling themselves Sufi are doing, I would say no.

(sigh) It is hard to know, sometimes, how to talk about things. It seems to me that language has become distorted. (smile) But let us continue to talk with one another in respect and kindness, and perhaps we can deepen our understandings.


May God, the One, Bless all those who sincerely strive to Please Him.

wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullah,

well till now based on what he has said or the things that i have heard, nothing deviates other than basic principles of Islam. So if he still is part of the "yes" part of what you referred to, i have found no sign of him advocating for it. Many things that he is speaking of or advocating for what i till now have heard is what every self reflecting person would say.

So i am not here to defend him or am pro-Hamza Yusuf. I take the beneficial knowledge even if it comes from the most anti-Islamic figure on this planet. Funny thing is, i say this, but this sub'han'Allah just thought about it, has also occurred.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered me to guard the Zakat revenue of Ramadan. Then somebody came to me and started stealing from the foodstuff. I caught him and said, "I will take you to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" Then Abu Huraira described the whole narration and said: That person said (to me), "(Please don't take me to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I will tell you a few words by which Allah will benefit you.) When you go to your bed, recite Ayat-al-Kursi, (2.255) for then there will be a guard from Allah who will protect you all night long, and Satan will not be able to come near you till dawn." (When the Prophet (ﷺ) heard the story) he said (to me), "He (who came to you at night) told you the truth although he is a liar; and it was Satan."

Source used: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/32

(smile)

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

The posts of the young brother, Mustafa16, make me laugh a little. Please excuse me, but I'm not going to take out time to answer those posts (to summarise: everything in the post is wrong. Will take too long to answer, because there are too many mistakes. Normally, an article is mainly right with a few things wrong, but those are mainly wrong with a few things right). The brothers and sisters who have time on their hands can do that, In Shaa Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

 

[Simple_Person]

The posts of the young brother, Mustafa16, make me laugh a little. Please excuse me, but I'm not going to take out time to answer those posts (to summarise: everything in the post is wrong. Will take too long to answer, because there are too many mistakes. Normally, an article is mainly right with a few things wrong, but those are mainly wrong with a few things right). The brothers and sisters who have time on their hands can do that, In Shaa Allaah.

Was-Salaam.

Brother, there is difference in the people we speak to. Some people say no X is like this and that's that. They will not change their opinion no matter what mountains of evidence you bring and show them how contradictory their opinion is. I am till now not sure if this is the case with this brother. If that is in the end indeed the case, i will leave it like that and we can say..leave him be. If that is NOT the case, a few words make him better understand certain things. Knowledge does not belong to us. Allah(swt) gives knowledge to whom He wants, but if we have certain knowledge it is obligatory to spread it to people who are open to receiving knowledge. So nobody is "not worth our time" if they might want to listen. It is a very dangerous path if we see people not worth our time, if they just don't know something or are misinformed but willing to learn/adjust their opinion.

Many people are Muslims, but know and understand very little of all of it. Like my own uncle. He doesn't consider himself a Muslim but says i believe in God, but acts as if he is a scholar of Islam. Sees Rasullah(saws) as a tyrant and the salifs as murders =_=!. Very stubborn and ignorant people like that just leave them in their ignorance and they will in the end drown in their own ignorance as not willing to listen what somebody else has to say.

 

[Born_Believer]

His duty as the Khaleefah is to despatch an army of Mujaahideen who will go to the Kaafir nation and present them with three options: 1) Accept Islaam, or 2) Surrender, pay Jizyah, keep your religions, but this land will be ruled by the Sharee`ah of Islaam, or 3) Get ready to fight.

According to the books of Fiqh, he should do it at least once or twice a year. The Maqsad is to have the Divine Laws of Allaah Ta`aalaa rule every land on earth; because those lands belong to Allaah, not to people, so it is only right that His Laws be implemented, not man-made laws.

Can you provide evidence for this? Hadith? Quran?

 

[MuslimInshallah]

wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullah,

well till now based on what he has said or the things that i have heard, nothing deviates other than basic principles of Islam. So if he still is part of the "yes" part of what you referred to, i have found no sign of him advocating for it. Many things that he is speaking of or advocating for what i till now have heard is what every self reflecting person would say.

So i am not here to defend him or am pro-Hamza Yusuf. I take the beneficial knowledge even if it comes from the most anti-Islamic figure on this planet. Funny thing is, i say this, but this sub'han'Allah just thought about it, has also occurred.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered me to guard the Zakat revenue of Ramadan. Then somebody came to me and started stealing from the foodstuff. I caught him and said, "I will take you to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" Then Abu Huraira described the whole narration and said: That person said (to me), "(Please don't take me to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I will tell you a few words by which Allah will benefit you.) When you go to your bed, recite Ayat-al-Kursi, (2.255) for then there will be a guard from Allah who will protect you all night long, and Satan will not be able to come near you till dawn." (When the Prophet (ﷺ) heard the story) he said (to me), "He (who came to you at night) told you the truth although he is a liar; and it was Satan."

Source used: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/66/32

(smile)

(smile) Wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu my dear,

I do not know what you have heard... but I have in my hands a book I recently found by Hamza Yusuf. It is a translation, with commentary, of Imam al-Mawlud's Matharat al-Quluub, and is titled Purification of the heart: signs, symptoms and cures of the spiritual diseases of the heart. I have not yet had the pleasure of reading this book, but it seems to me to indicate that Hamza Yusuf has some interest in the spiritual aspects of Islamic thought. (mildly) It is perhaps what you mean by that understanding which is what any self-reflecting person would say? (mildly) I'm afraid that I do not know exactly what you mean, as I have not had the pleasure of reading much of your thought.

I hope that this may add some clarity on Hamza Yusuf's thought. (smile) And if you have further questions, I would suggest you try reading his writings and listening to his lectures (there is a rather wonderful resource called DeenStream, where you can find some of his lectures). Hearing from him directly is a more reliable way of knowing him, it seems to me.


May Allah, the Kind, Strengthen our understandings in ways pleasing to Him.

 

[Scimitar]

(Smile) I am not patronising anyone (mildly) but I do wish you would (smile) take a minute to (smile) chew some paan leaf (smile)

Honestly text like that does come across patronising - fix up sis

 

[M.I.A.]

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and then i was like.. ô_o

smiling is charity!

but i sometimes forget to brush my teeths.

awesome. only on ib..


so great isis aint here yet... lets take time to appreciate our differences.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Can you provide evidence for this? Hadith? Quran?

You'll find it in the Kutub of Fiqh of all four Madhaahib: Hanafi, Maaliki, Shaafi`i, Hanbali. Kitaab-ul-Jihaad / Kitaab-us-Siyar / Kitaab-ul-Maghaazi.

If I get the time, In Shaa Allaah, I'll post excerpts from the Kutub of Fiqh regarding that issue.

It's difficult to find time these days; there's so little of it.

 

[M.I.A.]

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...find time.


its the answer i get to most of my excuses

also time is relative..

busy men have little time.

idle men do time.

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btw ...those are glasses not black eyez.


i have to ask.. can mods delete posts and accounts?

i feel i am rapidly approaching some imaginary line.

maybe better to be erased.

 

[Indefinable]

what have salafi islamist contributed to this world, other than regressing the ummah economically, scientifically, intellectually, and militarily, and bringing death, chaos, instability, turmoil, violence, and destruction of history, nations, and unity of this ummah? they have refused to unite with the "rafidah" leading to the Iran-Saudi Arabia proxy conflict which has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, and the failure to cooperate for good, and protection, they have refused to cooperate with sufis, and label anyone who disagrees with them as heretics, they say everything is haram, they bring nothing but disorder, while the people of the Gulen movement have educated millions of people to become elites, professors, etc. and sufis like Hamza Yusuf have educated people on modern day issues, and promoted unity and strength

I know you're young, and autistic, but that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to slander your Muslim brothers and sisters whom are striving to implement the deen of Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala on Earth.

The Salafi movement isn't the cause of all the current day political turmoil.

 

[Simple_Person]

(smile) Wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu my dear,

I do not know what you have heard... but I have in my hands a book I recently found by Hamza Yusuf. It is a translation, with commentary, of Imam al-Mawlud's Matharat al-Quluub, and is titled Purification of the heart: signs, symptoms and cures of the spiritual diseases of the heart. I have not yet had the pleasure of reading this book, but it seems to me to indicate that Hamza Yusuf has some interest in the spiritual aspects of Islamic thought. (mildly) It is perhaps what you mean by that understanding which is what any self-reflecting person would say? (mildly) I'm afraid that I do not know exactly what you mean, as I have not had the pleasure of reading much of your thought.

I hope that this may add some clarity on Hamza Yusuf's thought. (smile) And if you have further questions, I would suggest you try reading his writings and listening to his lectures (there is a rather wonderful resource called DeenStream, where you can find some of his lectures). Hearing from him directly is a more reliable way of knowing him, it seems to me.


May Allah, the Kind, Strengthen our understandings in ways pleasing to Him.

Well thinking about this comment of yours, does indeed bring up some of the things that he indeed loves to refer to ..as to imam al-Ghazzaali.

Although every time that i have heard him refer certain things to him, was always about the philosophical aspect. However, that was so far. Jazakallahu khairan for the references, i will in'sha'Allah follow them up.
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[azc]

I know you're young, and autistic, but that doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse to slander your Muslim brothers and sisters whom are striving to implement the deen of Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala on Earth. The Salafi movement isn't the cause of all the current day political turmoil.

there are different factors which cause this turmoil; and fanaticism is one of them irrespective of particular sect or community

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

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...find time.


its the answer i get to most of my excuses

also time is relative..

busy men have little time.

idle men do time.

That's true, but when you have a number of things on a "to-do list" that you have to find time for, then which do you choose to find time for? Can't always find time for everything. So then, you have to prioritise. Most important things get done first, find time for the important stuff first, less important stuff afterwards. That's the solution. So that, if you didn't get the chance to do those things, it's not as bad as if you hadn't found the time to do the really important things.

"Find time." It's not about finding time; it's about allocating time. Now, what deserves to have time allocated for it and what doesn't?

Was-Salaam.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Assalaamo alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh


We see that Abu Bakar Siddeeq and Umar rAa were elected by people that is by those Muslims who lived in that society. For Abu Bakar's election, the Muslims in Madeenah said that as Muhammad salla Allah alaihi wa sallam had chosen Abu Bakar Siddeeq rAa to be imaam in prayer ( when He salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was very ill in His last days), therefore, he (Abu Bakar rAa) was good to become Khalifah after the passing away of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. Similarly, every khalifah was elected by the people (according to my knowledge and Allah knows the best). Also it is proved from a hadeeth shareef in which the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam informed us that "the one who is made ruler, is slaughtered by the blunt side of a knife".


That means that to become ruler is a very heavy responsibility as the ruler will be questioned about the whole nation that he ruled. Due to that none of the sahaabi would like to become a ruler. But when the people chose him then he could not refuse to rule.


Again another Hadeeth of the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam informed us that" in case people choose more than one man then you compare them in the knowledge of the Holy Quraan. If they are of equal level, then compare them in the knowledge of Sunnah /hadeeth. If they are of the same level then choose from them the most aged one". (And Allah knows the best what HIS Massenger salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam said).


But that election was not like that of democracy. Also the words of brother Huzaifah ibn Adam are true that the rule will be that of Islam and no people have the right to oppose Islamic Law in a truly Muslim country.


The people of the Book were allowed to judge by their Books in the early stage of Islam in Madeenah that is just after the hijrah. This was not the case afterwards. And Allah knows best.


Jihaad and Qitaal the same ???

I think, if they were the same then how can we explain the hadeeth, "Jihaad against one's own nafs (self) is the jihadi-Akbar?" We can struggle against our lust desires but that struggle/fighting is not qitaal!!!

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

With regards to this narration often quoted by people: "We have returned from the lesser Jihaad to the greater Jihaad", see the following:

http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1176

And also:

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Q. Which is the greater jihad, jihad with one's nafs or jihad in the battlefield ?


A. Praise be to Allaah.

It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

This hadeeth is not saheeh.

Undoubtedly jihaad against the self comes before jihaad against the kuffaar, because one cannot strive against the kuffaar until after one has striven against one’s own self, because fighting is something which the self dislikes. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Jihaad (holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”[al-Baqarah 2:216]

The point is that jihaad against the enemy cannot take place until one strives and forces oneself to do it, until one’s self submits and accepts that.

Fataawa Manaar al-Islam by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/421

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Jihaad is of four stages: jihaad al-nafs (striving against the self), jihaad al-shayaateen (striving against the shayaateen or devils), jihaad al-kuffaar (striving against the disbelievers) and jihaad al-munaafiqeen (striving against the hypocrites).

Jihaad al-nafs means striving to make oneself learn true guidance, and to follow it after coming to know it, calling others to it, and bearing with patience the difficulties of calling others to Allaah. Jihaad al-Shaytaan means striving against him and warding off the doubts and desires that he throws at a person, and the doubts that undermine faith, and striving against the corrupt desires that he tries to inspire in a person. Jihaad against the kuffaar and munaafiqeen is done in the heart and on the tongue, with one’s wealth and oneself. Jihaad against the kuffaar mostly takes the form of physical action, and jihaad against the munaafiqeen mostly takes the form of words… The most perfect of people are those who have completed all the stages of jihaad. People vary in their status before Allaah according to their status in jihaad.”(Zaad al-Ma’aad 3/9-12)

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

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So, to summarise: That narration may not be quoted, because Muhadditheen have said that it is not authentically reported from Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم.

والله تعالى أعلم

والسلام