How is sharia to be implemented, in Muslim countries?

[M.I.A.]

That's true, but when you have a number of things on a "to-do list" that you have to find time for, then which do you choose to find time for? Can't always find time for everything. So then, you have to prioritise. Most important things get done first, find time for the important stuff first, less important stuff afterwards. That's the solution. So that, if you didn't get the chance to do those things, it's not as bad as if you hadn't found the time to do the really important things.

"Find time." It's not about finding time; it's about allocating time. Now, what deserves to have time allocated for it and what doesn't?

Was-Salaam.

...and if you do enough important things..

you get to go home? "/

 

[Indefinable]

there are different factors which cause this turmoil; and fanaticism is one of them irrespective of particular sect or community

Of course.

But one should look at the deeper, underlying principles of what causes 'fanaticism'?

 

[azc]

Of course.But one should look at the deeper, underlying principles of what causes 'fanaticism'?

nevertheless, fanaticism isn't praiseworthy

 

[Indefinable]

nevertheless, fanaticism isn't praiseworthy

No, it isn't.

But remember: one person's freedom fighter, is another person's terrorist.

 

[OmAbdullah]

With regards to this narration often quoted by people: "We have returned from the lesser Jihaad to the greater Jihaad", see the following:

http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1176

And also:

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Q. Which is the greater jihad, jihad with one's nafs or jihad in the battlefield ?


A. Praise be to Allaah.

It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), said to his companions when they returned from a military campaign, “We have come back from the lesser jihaad to the greater jihaad.” They said, “Is there any greater jihaad than jihaad against the kuffaar?” he said, “Yes, jihaad al-nafs (jihaad against the self).”

This hadeeth is not saheeh.

Undoubtedly jihaad against the self comes before jihaad against the kuffaar, because one cannot strive against the kuffaar until after one has striven against one’s own self, because fighting is something which the self dislikes. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Jihaad (holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”[al-Baqarah 2:216]


The point is that jihaad against the enemy cannot take place until one strives and forces oneself to do it, until one’s self submits and accepts that.

Fataawa Manaar al-Islam by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/421

Ibn al-Qayyim said: “Jihaad is of four stages: jihaad al-nafs (striving against the self), jihaad al-shayaateen (striving against the shayaateen or devils), jihaad al-kuffaar (striving against the disbelievers) and jihaad al-munaafiqeen (striving against the hypocrites).

Jihaad al-nafs means striving to make oneself learn true guidance, and to follow it after coming to know it, calling others to it, and bearing with patience the difficulties of calling others to Allaah. Jihaad al-Shaytaan means striving against him and warding off the doubts and desires that he throws at a person, and the doubts that undermine faith, and striving against the corrupt desires that he tries to inspire in a person. Jihaad against the kuffaar and munaafiqeen is done in the heart and on the tongue, with one’s wealth and oneself. Jihaad against the kuffaar mostly takes the form of physical action, and jihaad against the munaafiqeen mostly takes the form of words… The most perfect of people are those who have completed all the stages of jihaad. People vary in their status before Allaah according to their status in jihaad.”(Zaad al-Ma’aad 3/9-12)

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

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So, to summarise: That narration may not be quoted, because Muhadditheen have said that it is not authentically reported from Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم.

والله تعالى أعلم

والسلام

Assalamo alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh


We must see the matan (contents) of a Hadeeth in the light of the Holy Quraan and also use wisdom for it. We cannot follow such statements of the Muhadditheen or others blindly. We must always keep in mind that every thing can be changed by the mischief-makers except the Holy Quraan which is preserved by Allah Azza wa Jall.


Now let us see this hadeeth in the light of the Holy Quraan.

Al-Furqaan 43:
[h=2]43. Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire? Then would you be responsible for him?[/h]

Another translation of the same verse with the exp. note:



(25:43) Have you ever considered the case of him who has taken his carnal desire for his god?[SUP]56[/SUP] Can you take responsibility for guiding him to the Right Way?



Exp. note 56:


56. “The person who makes his desire as his god” is the one who becomes the slave of his lusts and desires. As he serves his lust like the one who warships his deity. He becomes as much guilty of shirk as the one who worships an idol. According to a tradition, related by Abu Hurairah, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Of all the false gods being worshipped and served instead of Allah, the worst in the sight of Allah is one’s own lust. (Tabarani). For further explanation, see (E.N. 50 of Surah Al-Kahf).


The man who keeps his desires under control, and uses his common sense to make decisions, can be expected to come to the right path by making an appeal to his reason even though he might have been involved in shirk or disbelief. For if he decides to follow the right way, he will remain firm and steadfast on it. On the other hand, the man who is the slave of his own lust, is like a ship without an anchor, who wanders about on any path where his lust leads him to. He is least bothered about the distinction between the right and the wrong, the true and the false, and has no desire to choose one against the other. And, if at all, such a person is persuaded to accept the message of guidance, no one can take the responsibility that he will observe any moral laws.


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Then we must also think about the nafs Amaarah's action. Most of the people are troublesome due this nafs. The worst of the murderers and killers are the slaves of their lust. All Fir'ons were the followers of their lust. So jahaad against nafs is truly the greatest jihaad both in the light of Quraan, other hadeeth and our own wisdom and experience.



The verse 216 of surah Al-Baqarah has the word qitaal and not jihaad, so it should not be changed to from qitaal to jihaad. Remember that Quraan is the Book of Allah, so becareful. Here is the Verse 216 of surah Al-Baqarah:




كُتِبَ عَلَيۡکُمُ الۡقِتَالُ وَهُوَ كُرۡهٌ لَّـكُمۡ​ۚ وَعَسٰۤى اَنۡ تَكۡرَهُوۡا شَيۡـــًٔا وَّهُوَ خَيۡرٌ لَّـکُمۡ​ۚ وَعَسٰۤى اَنۡ تُحِبُّوۡا شَيۡـــًٔا وَّهُوَ شَرٌّ لَّـكُمۡؕ وَاللّٰهُ يَعۡلَمُ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ‏ 

 

[talibilm]

you failed to prove you point.......

Bro @Huzaifah ibn Adam

1) At the time of the emigration to Abyssinia, the laws pertaining to Sharee`ah hadn't even been revealed yet. There was no "Sharee`ah law" yet at that time, no laws on Jihaad, nothing of the sort. So, trying to use that incident as a Daleel is a fallacy. Have you studied the laws of Naasikh wal-Mansookh? Abrogation in the Qur'aan and abrogation in the Sunnah. Some Aayaat abrogated previous Aayaat, and some Ahaadeeth abrogated previous ones. At one point in time, drinking wine was permissible. The Kutub of Fiqh are quoted because the A'immah of Islaam studied the Deen in-depth and knew which Aayaat and which Ahkaam abrogated previous ones. It is not for every Jaahil to open the Qur'aan and invent his own rulings based on what he feels, when in the first place, he isn't even reading the Qur'aan in Arabic and understanding it, he's relying on an English translation.

2) Once the Sharee`ah had been revealed and the Wahi had stopped and the Deen had been completed, there was no "going back" and "starting over". What you are trying to do is say that the Deen must go back to the 13 years and start over from there, which is a Baatil, ridiculous concept. After the Aayah about Ikmaal-ud-Deen was revealed, that is how everything stayed. The Deen does not retrogress. You cannot say that, let's go back to the 13 years, when Salaah hadn't been revealed yet, or Zakaat, and wine was permissible, etc. That is a Baatil and Kufr approach which opposes the Deen. It is not for people to make up their own rulings. The Fuqahaa and Mujtahideen have expounded upon the Qur'aan and the Ahaadeeth and codified the Deen, and explained the Deen, and Muslims have followed that path for 1,438 years. The Deen wasn't revealed yesterday. The Deen is not based on the whims and fancies of people, and what they like or dislike.

So far, all that I've seen are emotionally charged comments devoid of actual evidence. The Aayaat of Qur'aan are very clear when it comes to Jihaad. Yet, whenever those Aayaat are quoted, all the members are saying is, "I feel like this is giving a negative image to Islaam." You cannot counter a fact with a "feeling". If someone says that 1+1=2, you can't say: "That makes me uncomfortable, so I refuse to believe it." What has your being uncomfortable have to do with facts? Emotions and feelings play no part in coming to a Shar`i ruling: It's based on Qur'aan and Sunnah according to the understanding of the Salaf-us-Saaliheen.

Was-Salaam.

Najjashi died in 630 AD while Prophet :saws: demise was 2 years later . By that time even the last OF THE ABROGATED VERSES OF WINES (3 sets of verses on intoxication, Taf Ibn Kathir) were already revealed . Facts like these is just a basic logic and fact which does not need you to be a Scholar or a Master of arabic,lol. But why this is made a big issue ? ^o)

So as I have posted many times you cant call anyone jahil simply because he does not Know Arabic and will you call Aalim since Sam Shamoun and Anees Sharosh know fluent Arabic ? ? ( Arab Christians)? and they read the the Noble Quran too. But as a matter a fact a hadith said that those who will destroy islam will be the Arab speaking people. here's the Hadith


BUKHARI Volume 4, Book 56, Number 803 :
Narrated by Hudhaifa bin Al-YamanThe people used to ask Allah's Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I asked, "Will there be good after that evil?" He said, "Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil)." I asked, "What will its Dakhan be?" He said, "There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them." I said, "Will there by any evil after that good?" He said, "Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them)." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Describe those people to us." He said, "They will belong to us and speak our language" I asked, "What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?" He said, "Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief." I asked, "If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?" He said, "Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state."

and are more hadith where such people are referred as foolish youngsters who will use the Noble Quran to defend their actions but they did not understand Islam at all




But its the guidance to whom Allah gives as per The Muhmin's or a Muslims's fiqr about deen and its prosperity and understanding of Deen is seen from our Noble Quran & hadiths.

We should never twist the facts just to support our views & understanding the Deen , but there could be difference of opinions each one having his own daleel and we are obliged to give our DALEEL without TWISTING or Lying in them ONLY WITH IKLASS or such twistings will be a greatest sin.

 

[talibilm]

Well there you have it mustafa16 shariah is as flexible as bamboo, and as diverse as it too.



I was under the impression we were having a conversation, you just deflected after your claim to authority. You clearly sponsor the same opinion, you should be able to answer it.

I ask again.

What of ISIS? Do they not fit in the descriptions given under these examples the Ulema have categorised. They took the land by force, while it had no proper governance, and installed Shariah, by force, according to their own naratives - where do they fit in this whole kerfuffle?

Scimi

Bro you had asked the most IMPORTANT Q in this thread but its appears to me he rather evades to reply giving out some rules etc when he openly supports jihad in many posts . which rather shows he falls in his own trap.

Does he have to think thrice for those foolish people who bite women's hands for not covering her hands as wrong ?? and think to flatten the Kaaba because people are worshipping it ?? Is this the way to establish Islam ? and does not fight thiose who have seized muslims lands and driven them out of their homes but go and kill other Muslims who differed in their opinion ?

Ajeeb ^o)

 

[azc]

Bro you had asked the most IMPORTANT Q in this thread but its appears to me he rather evades to reply giving out some rules etc when he openly supports jihad in many posts . which rather shows he falls in his own trap. Does he have to think thrice for those foolish people who bite women's hands for not covering her hands as wrong ?? and think to flatten the Kaaba because people are worshipping it ?? Is this the way to establish Islam ? and does not fight thiose who have seized muslims lands and driven them out of their homes but go and kill other Muslims who differed in their opinion ?Ajeeb ^o)

and he even doesn't realize that what he writes on the board is an evidence in the court

 

[M.I.A.]

http://www.boredpanda.com/before-after-war-photos-aleppo-syria/

...flatten the kaaba you say?

seems to me that you should not give people excuses to do so.

...especially if they extend their own hands inviting you to do so..

"Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).

your so not ready because knowledge is not power, application of knowledge is power.

how hard is it to say no?
..
....
ever played the yes/no game?

i would think learning please and thankyou would be more beneficial.

 

[Simple_Person]

Bro you had asked the most IMPORTANT Q in this thread but its appears to me he rather evades to reply giving out some rules etc when he openly supports jihad in many posts . which rather shows he falls in his own trap.

Does he have to think thrice for those foolish people who bite women's hands for not covering her hands as wrong ?? and think to flatten the Kaaba because people are worshipping it ?? Is this the way to establish Islam ? and does not fight thiose who have seized muslims lands and driven them out of their homes but go and kill other Muslims who differed in their opinion ?

Ajeeb ^o)

Wait..what?? Have those ISIS guys seriously said that they want to flatten the Ka'baa because they see it as "shirk"?

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Bro @Huzaifah ibn Adam





Najjashi died in 630 AD while Prophet :saws: demise was 2 years later . By that time even the last OF THE ABROGATED VERSES OF WINES (3 sets of verses on intoxication, Taf Ibn Kathir) were already revealed . Facts like these is just a basic logic and fact which does not need you to be a Scholar or a Master of arabic,lol. ver twist the facts just to support our views & understanding the Deen , but there could be difference of opinions each one having his own daleel and we are obliged to give our DALEEL without TWISTING or Lying in them ONLY WITH IKLASS or such twistings will be a greatest sin.

You know, people really need to Read before they reply. Did you read what I said? I am telling you that you did not. Either you did not read it, or you did not understand it.

Let me say it over again, it capital letters, bold, italic, underlined, red text:

At the time of the emigration to Abyssinia, the laws pertaining to Sharee`ah hadn't even been revealed yet

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Are you able to read this? Can you understand it? Read it over and over and over. AT THE TIME OF THE EMIGRATION TO ABYSSINIA, WHICH TOOK PLACE DURING EARLY ISLAAM WHEN SAHAABAH STILL LIVED IN MAKKAH, YEARS BEFORE THE EMIGRATION TO MADEENAH.

Have you understood it a bit better now? Why are you telling me about when Najaashi died? Did I tell you that the laws of Sharee`ah hadn't yet been revealed when Najaashi died? I told you that when Hadhrat Ja`far رضي الله عنه and other Sahaabah travelled there, during the FIRST HIJRAH, when Sahaabah were still being tortured in Makkah, when Abu Jahl and the others chiefs of Quraysh were still alive, the laws of Sharee`ah hadn't been revealed yet. This was approximately nine years before Hijrah to Madeenah.

Read and understand properly before replying, please.

Was-Salaam.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

and think to flatten the Kaaba because people are worshipping it ??

Do you know what the punishment is for Buhtaan (slander)?

That, what you did right there, was slander. Who in the world told you that any group is planning on flattening the Ka`bah? Perhaps Shaytaan told that to you yesterday afternoon, but if so, let me tell you: He was lying to you. This is like the foolish Barelvis who say that "the Wahhaabis want to destroy Masjid Nabawi and destroy the Ka`bah"; well, those Wahhaabis are presently in control of "Saudi Arabia", and they have neither destroyed Masjid an-Nabawi صلى الله عليه وسلم nor have they destroyed the Ka`bah. Stupid lies invented by people who are fond of worshipping graves and smoking dagga.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Hearing anything about Jihaad always makes the Munaafiqeen crawl out of their holes and scream like prostitutes on a street corner, because they hate Allaah Ta`aalaa and hate the fact that He revealed so many Aayaat of Jihaad in His Qur'aan. They wish that He had revealed Gandhism instead, but it didn't happen, and that makes them very upset. They hate the fact that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the Sahaabah fought in battles, and so they try every trick in the book to pretend that all those fights didn't happen, that everyone walked around dressed as Gandhi, wearing those round glasses and everything, asking to be beaten up because you're showing some kind of "pacifism". That's not how the Sahaabah were, and no matter how hard anyone tries to deny that, they can't. The truth will keep coming out.

Imaam Junayd al-Baghdaadi رحمة الله عليه used to say:

"Whoever seeks honour through Baatil, Allaah Ta`aalaa will disgrace him with the Haqq."

Was-Salaam.

 

[Simple_Person]

Do you know what the punishment is for Buhtaan (slander)?

That, what you did right there, was slander. Who in the world told you that any group is planning on flattening the Ka`bah? Perhaps Shaytaan told that to you yesterday afternoon, but if so, let me tell you: He was lying to you. This is like the foolish Barelvis who say that "the Wahhaabis want to destroy Masjid Nabawi and destroy the Ka`bah"; well, those Wahhaabis are presently in control of "Saudi Arabia", and they have neither destroyed Masjid an-Nabawi صلى الله عليه وسلم nor have they destroyed the Ka`bah. Stupid lies invented by people who are fond of worshipping graves and smoking dagga.

To be HONEST, it would not even surprise me if they would indeed have said such a thing. The things they have done and i also have had the opportunity to talk to one of them for sure. Sub'han'Allah......:O. I asked that ISIS-guy, what does Islamic Law say, if i kill your son? He replied, then i can kill your son. (eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth). I said, DUDE..i would have killed an innocent soul, what has my son to do with MY criminal act? he said, no i have studied sharia law, it is like this.

 

[M.I.A.]

...and so..

prophet abraham pbuh won the war of the 3d chess.

...wait wait..

one more,

and the prophet pbuh said..

there were twice as many of them as their were of us!

o_0

..seriously i dont even play call of duty anymore, the kill to death ratio started to catch up rapidly.
..
their losses will be comparable to yours.
..

god knows how you win twice in a row?
..

dont covet your own soul.




...i have played CoD extensively.

its a paradox.. not a contridiction.


honestly i have to ask... why would you ask such a question in the first place?
...
maybe you should have mentioned lut pbuh and how he gave his daughters.

hhmm.. maybe he would not have let you get that far.


shiek google.. would like to add some perspective..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=...+grenades&gfe_rd=cr&ei=R2WwWOXDEMjv8AfiuoeQAw

 

[Serinity]

Islam is not ghandism, none will disagree on that.

Rather it is a religion of Justice and rationality not based on desires and opinions, but facts.

Islam is the middle way - the balance. Do not deviate from the Straight Path. Islam is a religion of Peace- but what peace? Peace according to Qur'aan.

Guys, offensive Jihad, do you even know what that means? "Offensive"?

 

[M.I.A.]

it means trying not to put it in your own net when you finally get the ball..

what ball?

but the kicker is..

the larger the group.. the lesser the freedom of choice.

and some people know what they came to see.

 

[talibilm]

Shocked to see my claims have never been heard or known to you brothers , which I have replied and were famous in ummah with links on it. Though we give due respect to the knowledgeable here who know more than us but remember still you can make mistakes and accepting them does not reduce your respect in any way . I will request any one not to evade, delude and act as unknowing when we discuss things about deen, When you know what i mean by my posts or refutation. I do not want drag the so called knowledgeable into un necessary arguments just to win or reply any thing BUT NOT to the CONTEXT just to win so wasting your precious time better to be used fruitful for your deen and yourselves than arguing which the hadith discourages us too.. It will take more time but I shall try to search the flatten kaaba claims of Isis soldier and post them here but its nothing hard just google it and try a little you will find them inshallah

Am leaving for my fajar inshallah and kindly remember this hadith please so that WE would not sin inshallah


DO NOT SCOLD OTHERS RECKLESSLY IT MIGHT RETURN TO YOU

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 71

Narrated Abu Dhar: That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."

Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 73
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: And if somebody curses a believer, then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him






“…Whosoever accuses a believer of kufr (apostasy), it is as if he killed him.” (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Kitaab ul-Aadaab, Chapter 73,
Hadeeth no. 6105)


1)The Book of Jihad and Expedition (Kitab Al-Jihad wa'l-Siyar)
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4297 It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Masa that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) deputed any of his Companions on a mission, he would say: Give tidings (to the people) ; do not create (in their minds) aversion (towards religion) ; show them leniency and do not be hard upon them.

 

[keiv]

To say: Locking people in a cage and setting them on fire is jihad, locking people in a cage and drowning them is jihad, locking people in a car and blowing it up is jihad, strapping an explosive device to someone's neck is jihad, blowing up night clubs is jihad, shooting people at your job is jihad, running people over with a semi is jihad, etc., would be an insult to the prophet and his companions (pbut) who fought through the real battles. Even when they fought these battles, they did it with honor.

 

[talibilm]

Wait..what?? Have those ISIS guys seriously said that they want to flatten the Ka'baa because they see it as "shirk"?

here is the link

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/...a-in-mecca-and-kill-the-king-of-saudi-arabia/

but I saw another link even with Photo of the so claimer with a very lengthy beard .


But I am not here to win arguments with those extreme thinkers who are adamant on kill,kill kill , but to find the haq as Allah and his Nabi :saws: likes it and not following our own whims and fancies and twist facts and quote Fiqh when the Noble Quran and hadith and actions of Prophet :saws: and his sahabas are clear about it .

Just let me quote a fine example which inshallah should guide the extremists

Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 628

Narrated Salim's father:
The Prophet sent Khalid bin Al-Walid to the tribe of Jadhima and d Khalid invited them to Islam but they could not express themselves by saying, "Aslamna (i.e. we have embraced Islam)," but they started saying "Saba'na! Saba'na (i.e. we have come out of one religion to another)." khalid kept on killing (some of) them and taking (some of) them as captives and gave every one of us his Captive. When there came the day then Khalid ordered that each man (i.e. Muslim soldier) should kill his captive, I said, "By Allah, I will not kill my captive, and none of my companions will kill his captive." When we reached the Prophet, we mentioned to him the whole story. On that, the Prophet raised both his hands and said twice, "O Allah! I am free from what Khalid has done ''


Note: what are those who support extremism are going to answer for this hadith? who are want kill even their Muslim Brethren because he will not accept his views ???