What do they believe?

[jss]

as in they mixed hinduism (religion based on polythiesm) and islam (religion based on monethism) and called it sikhism

its like adding 1 and 1 and making 10 million it just dnt work.

and by the way i wud try researching what sikh is but all the sikhs i know or knew dont even have a clu themselves, as theyre so confused. My old best mate used to be sikh. she even took her shahada infact n started reading namaz n fasting with us subhanallah! she sed she always wanted to be muslim.

Sikhi isn't man made. It is from Akal Purakh (God) but if you think otherwise then I guess the sky is pink too.

 

[Mohsin]

Daffodil, Sikhs only believe in one God, there is no polytheism in sikhism

But i know of several sikhs that have reverted to Islam, i wouldn't be suprised if it is more than 10% of reverts to Islam are sikhs.

Theres loads on the net

go to www.salaam.co.uk

on the forum search for sikh and you'll find some

 

[ISDhillon]

But i know of several sikhs that have reverted to Islam, i wouldn't be suprised if it is more than 10% of reverts to Islam are sikhs.

I know of 1 person who became a muslim and then a couple of years later his family took him to india and got him married there to a proper sikh girl, I know of no others even the ones they parade on the internet are made up this has actually been proven when i get the link i will post it here. i remember one group of people did an article about a sikh girl and at the time it caused alot of contraversey and then they didnt realise and they posted it on another forum but this time their story didnt match the other one, and they were shamed on the forum cos they brought the evidence from the last forum they tried it on it was sooo funny and sad at the same time for them. secondly if you look back into history do you know the lenghts sikhs have gone to ,to resist becoming muslims, their is a book by Dr Gopal Singh Ji called "Partition 1947", in that book it has a detailed account of hundereds of villages in east punjab where the women and men jumped into the wells and killed themselves it was not against islam its jUst we believe in progress we dont believe in going back an evolutionary step so would rather be dead. In all 2 and half million perished this way. So really its all lies when you say this, I bet you think I am making it up.



BTW moss couldnt find any on that site do you wanna post a direct link?:thankyou:

ISDhillon

 

[firdaw]

Sikhism never heard intersting if they called themselves islam then why don't they act like muslims

 

[ISDhillon]

Sikhism never heard intersting if they called themselves islam then why don't they act like muslims

I dont understand:?

 

[Mohsin]

no moss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have never said that, I have said what you said earlier this is even more proof that you have paid no attention in this debate, the post about religion and dharma illustrated the idea behind all religions starting off similar but then the people went astray, I dont believe the way you live today is right nor does sikhism, the defintion of islam in our religion is the true islam not the one you perform today, if you practiced islam the way our gurus says god wants you too then indeed all paths would be equal and a path to god!!!!!! sikhism teaches you what real islam was, I cant believe your responses to Heigou you have not taken in anything that I have said and it is not cos my sentences are non-understandable I suggest you take a day off college and re-read everything I have ever written on this forum.

ISDhillon

Well problem is you write really long posts, and then have all thgese quotations from the SGGS, and people get put off, but i stil do try and read it.

the post about religion and dharma illustrated the idea behind all religions starting off similar but then the people went astray,

So your saying the sahaba sent people astray> That the companions of the Prophet made up a religion? If they had followed what Muhammed PBUH preached then there would be Sikhism? Please clarify

 

[ISDhillon]

So your saying the sahaba sent people astray> That the companions of the Prophet made up a religion? If they had followed what Muhammed PBUH preached then there would be Sikhism? Please clarify

[/QUOTE]

Simple sentence: yours is a religion not a dharma, god sends revelation to make dharma man makes religion, and yeah you have strayed and sikhism is the dharma for this age it was made in away that it could not be turned into a religion by its followers, eg, it is a direct revelation so the guru never left, it gives authority of the guru in the baptised group of faith followers, it has no obscurant dogma so nothing can harden its liberal spirit, it has an obligation to fight against anyhting which is not in line with gurmat ie manmat. Again you must read all quotes carefully or do not talk about my religion like you did with heigou cos your misrepresenting a religion you couldnt be bothered to read up on, it is sad to know i have done all of this for nothing.:unhappy:

Have a nicey spicey day:thankyou:

ISDhillon

 

[Mohsin]

Simple sentence: yours is a religion not a dharma, god sends revelation to make dharma man makes religion, and yeah you have strayed and sikhism is the dharma for this age it was made in away that it could not be turned into a religion by its followers, eg, it is a direct revelation so the guru never left, it gives authority of the guru in the baptised group of faith followers, it has no obscurant dogma so nothing can harden its liberal spirit, it has an obligation to fight against anyhting which is not in line with gurmat ie manmat. Again you must read all quotes carefully or do not talk about my religion like you did with heigou cos your misrepresenting a religion you couldnt be bothered to read up on, it is sad to know i have done all of this for nothing.:unhappy:

Have a nicey spicey day:thankyou:

ISDhillon

Can i ask where did Islam go wrong? Ok so you believe Muhammed PBUH as a messenger of God. Now where did it all go wrong, either Muhammed PBUH didn't deliver the message properly, or his companions didn't tell of his message properly to others, which is it?

 

[Daffodil]

be honest there is no freind is there? its just what makes you feel good, dont be jealous daffodil you may be a rose in your next life

I dnt like and make things up as islam forbids me to lie.

 

[Daffodil]

I dont even try to understand sikhism because it has too many different interpretations, every sikh will tell u something different to what the other sikh sed.

All ive gotta say is why wud any god leave his followers lost, and form a religion/darma wateva u wanna call it, that has contradictions in it, what kind of god is that.

And if u believe in the prophet muhammed, why dnt u follow his message. it just doesnt make sense. I find it really hard to get my head round this sikh/hindu thing however the hinduism thing is more easier to understand.

Why is it that when u ask sikhs about what they follow, who what why where when and how they get confused and say i dnt know. how can u live ur life following lost sheep? can you really bet ur whole after life on a faith which has so many contradictions and chaos.

The reason why sikhism and hinduism have some aspect of Islam in them is because when Allahs messangers came down with messages and books etc, alot of deviated ppl took those books/messages away and currupted it and formed their own little religion/faith/dharma wateva u wanna call it. so its a mish mash of everything.

Any ways the more i think about it the more confused i get and the more i apreciate islam for its clear and simple message for all of mankind, a message which can be understood by any one, n u dnt have to be an imam or holy person or saint or rocket scientist to be able to understand and practice. Its plain and simple "la ilaha Ilallah" there is no god but Allah "muhammadur rasoolallah" and mohammed saw is his messanger.

 

[ISDhillon]

Can i ask where did Islam go wrong?

Do you remember the quotes i gave you from SGGS read them again and you will understand if you cant be bothered then i cant either.

Ok so you believe Muhammed PBUH as a messenger of God.

no, angel gabrielle is the messenger of god, your prophet is a prophet not a messenger, he was chosen to dictate the word he was not a messenger. Whereas my guru dwells in the lord at all times the difference is inredibly significant even if you fail to acknowledge that.

Now where did it all go wrong, either Muhammed PBUH didn't deliver the message properly,

the firmeness of naam was not given its due by both your prophet and the angel, angels are not dwelling in the lord unlike my guru.

or his companions didn't tell of his message properly to others, which is it?

the koran was not written by the angel or the prophet but composed in the hearts and minds of the companions who were also not dwelling in the lord at all times, simple they wrote it down wrong, again I have answered these questions many times its you who refuses to accept the truth.

So youve got a claim of indirect revelation which was compiled by ordinary mortals many years after it all happened mmmm I rather pass on that one thanks all the same. In comparison to my guru who gave SGGS a formal investiture of authority , you cant beat that no way!!

ISDhillon

 

[ISDhillon]

I dont even try to understand sikhism because it has too many different interpretations, every sikh will tell u something different to what the other sikh sed.

Thats a good thing not a bad one self-realisation is an individual path as dharma should be. If youre taliking about doctrine then take time out and read a book I certainly would not ask you about Islam judging by youre understanding of sikhism.:uhwhat

All ive gotta say is why wud any god leave his followers lost, and form a religion/darma wateva u wanna call it, that has contradictions in it, what kind of god is that.

Its funny isnt it one person makes a noise about contradictionand you all have a flight of fancy yipeee sikhism must be wrong the saddest thing is I dont think I have the energy to show you your error I guess I am also one of those people who are confused also lol.:giggling:

And if u believe in the prophet muhammed, why dnt u follow his message. it just doesnt make sense. I find it really hard to get my head round this sikh/hindu thing however the hinduism thing is more easier to understand.

I do not believe in youre prophet nor do I believe in any other prophet that ever came from your abrahamic lineage your faiths did not come from god they are all the angels words not gods. I believe only in the existence of such prophets cos my guru says so that they existed but my guru also advise the whole of manking that the koran is FALSE QED.

can you really bet ur whole after life on a faith which has so many contradictions and chaos.

Contradictions galore? you know nothing of sikhism outside of this forum I suggest you make a library card and go visit one. Our religion supports more science than any other religion even evolution, but I have noticed that certain members are a serious case against evolution on this site.

The reason why sikhism and hinduism have some aspect of Islam in them is because when Allahs messangers came down with messages and books etc, alot of deviated ppl took those books/messages away and currupted it and formed their own little religion/faith/dharma wateva u wanna call it. so its a mish mash of everything.

whatever!!!!!! and then some. You know when you pray you will know if what youre saying now is true cos you will have one-pointedness in youre concentration if you dont then youre faith is devided and you are a deviant.

"la ilaha Ilallah" there is no god but Allah "muhammadur rasoolallah" and mohammed saw is his messanger.

correction youre prophet was his prophet not messenger, thats a deviant interpretation and so too is the adage "last and final" but you never used that so you deserve some credit.


Go to the library and get educated atop asking joe bloggs about sikhism,

ISDhillon:statisfie

 

[shahidiceprince]

It is also said that Guru Nanak was a muslim, infact, he went to Haj(pilgrimage to the holy places).
And moreover, there is no evidence that he started a new religion, he only tried to uphold the faith of Islam!
Then why is Sikhism called a faith, when its originator was originally a Muslim???
It deserves to be a sect of Islam if it is said to be 'pure' islam, as said by my brothers in this thread!!!

 

[ISDhillon]

It is also said that Guru Nanak was a muslim, infact, he went to Haj(pilgrimage to the holy places).
And moreover, there is no evidence that he started a new religion, he only tried to uphold the faith of Islam!
Then why is Sikhism called a faith, when its originator was originally a Muslim???
It deserves to be a sect of Islam if it is said to be 'pure' islam, as said by my brothers in this thread!!!

Read the whole thread, then read http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/4105-dawah-sikh.html

then read:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/6214-sikhism.html

a sect of islam?

you wish!!!

I request that the moderators merge the sikhism threads so that participants will read all comments before making the same comments. Remember folks this aint a chatroom. Just think if I wasnt here how many lies would their be on this forum.:rollseyes

ISDhillon

 

[Daffodil]

correction youre prophet was his prophet not messenger, thats a deviant interpretation and so too is the adage "last and final" but you never used that so you deserve some credit.


Go to the library and get educated atop asking joe bloggs about sikhism,

ISDhillon:statisfie

im from leicester which is FULL of hindus and sikhs, most of my friends were hindu n sikh, my best friend was sikh, so i think its fair to say i do know what theyre all about.

Are u practicing sikh. i.e dnt drink, fornicate, eat meat etc etc. as drinking fornication n meat are prohibited in sikhism.

 

[ISDhillon]

im from leicester which is FULL of hindus and sikhs,

Not full of sikhs just there is some sikhs, mostly there is gujaratis, you only have to go down melton road on divali to see how gujjis outnumber the sikhs lol:giggling:

most of my friends were hindu n sikh, my best friend was sikh, so i think its fair to say i do know what theyre all about.

not true you cnt understand a religion just from people who were born into that religion its like me learning about islam from the scruffy rudeboy pakistani kids who sell drugs and play there music really loud from their badboy cars, do you get me?

Are u practicing sikh. i.e dnt drink, fornicate, eat meat etc etc. as drinking fornication n meat are prohibited in sikhism.

practicing? I try my best but fall way below the standard (dont take advantage of my honesty). Intoxication is forbidden not cos its sunful but cos it can make you do things which will affect youre sikhi alcohol is necessary in drugs. Eat meat? - this is not forbidden just advised to not consume, My family no longer eat meat but this was not out of compulsion. Fornication? - no, and its been a while since i have heard that word so was quite surprised you asked me.

Thanks

 

[shahidiceprince]

Read the whole thread, then read http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/4105-dawah-sikh.html

then read:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/6214-sikhism.html

a sect of islam?

you wish!!!

I request that the moderators merge the sikhism threads so that participants will read all comments before making the same comments. Remember folks this aint a chatroom. Just think if I wasnt here how many lies would their be on this forum.:rollseyes

ISDhillon

Tell me any one lie posted in this forum by the Muslim brothers.

I'LL DEFEND THEM!!!

 

[Mohsin]

alcohol is necessary in drugs.

Bro thats a cop out. Even muslims can use medicine with alcohol in it if there is no alternative medicine. She obviously meant beer

 

[shahidiceprince]

Yeah. And it is also mentioned in the Qur'an that we can have medicines mixed in alcohol which are absolutely necessary to cure us.

 

[Mohsin]

Yeah. And it is also mentioned in the Qur'an that we can have medicines mixed in alcohol which are absolutely necessary to cure us.

Really, where?