What do they believe?

[jss]

Tell me any one lie posted in this forum by the Muslim brothers.

I'LL DEFEND THEM!!![/QUOTE

Muslim hey. When he said himself 'Na Koi Hindu Na Koi Musalmaan'

Also he didn't go to hajj, he went to spread sat (truth),as revealed by God and travelled the four corners of the known world. Unlike other religions some of the Guru's clothes, letters by them, weapons are still maintained in places all over India and the rest of the world. Muslims have personally said to me he dressed like a Muslim. Nonsence the chola he wore had common resemblence of the clothes that people wore of those times, I have seen it with my own eyes. So please do not make up fairy tales.

 

[ISDhillon]

Tell me any one lie posted in this forum by the Muslim brothers.

I'LL DEFEND THEM!!!

then defend yourself by proving Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a muslim, 24 million and growing disagree with a vengence.:rant:

About alcohol?, yes i dont drink beer i thought i made that clear in my last post, however rum for sore throats is also not wrong, you see you evidently forbid the substance known as alcohol, we advise not to drink alocohol cos of intoxiacation, therefore all intoxicants were forbidden simply because i know no man who can behave after consuming vast amounts of alcohol, and why should forbidding alcohol be something to be proud of?, say intoxication and alcohol seperately. kay:

 

[jss]

Bro thats a cop out. Even muslims can use medicine with alcohol in it if there is no alternative medicine. She obviously meant beer

Alcohol if drunk will intoxicate and hinders spiritual development.

 

[ISDhillon]

Tell me any one lie posted in this forum by the Muslim brothers.

I'LL DEFEND THEM!!![/QUOTE

Muslim hey. When he said himself 'Na Koi Hindu Na Koi Musalmaan'

Also he didn't go to hajj, he went to spread sat (truth),as revealed by God and travelled the four corners of the known world. Unlike other religions some of the Guru's clothes, letters by them, weapons are still maintained in places all over India and the rest of the world. Muslims have personally said to me he dressed like a Muslim. Nonsence the chola he wore had common resemblence of the clothes that people wore of those times, I have seen it with my own eyes. So please do not make up fairy tales.

well said, I have seen the chola aswell its in very poor condition I do not feel the management have looked after it well over the centuries, the same can be said of the chola of bandi-chor that Sri Guru Hargobind Ji used it is also in a bad conditon, why didnt somebody invent mothballs earlier lol;D

 

[jss]

I dont even try to understand sikhism because it has too many different interpretations, every sikh will tell u something different to what the other sikh sed.

All ive gotta say is why wud any god leave his followers lost, and form a religion/darma wateva u wanna call it, that has contradictions in it, what kind of god is that.

And if u believe in the prophet muhammed, why dnt u follow his message. it just doesnt make sense. I find it really hard to get my head round this sikh/hindu thing however the hinduism thing is more easier to understand.

Why is it that when u ask sikhs about what they follow, who what why where when and how they get confused and say i dnt know. how can u live ur life following lost sheep? can you really bet ur whole after life on a faith which has so many contradictions and chaos.

The reason why sikhism and hinduism have some aspect of Islam in them is because when Allahs messangers came down with messages and books etc, alot of deviated ppl took those books/messages away and currupted it and formed their own little religion/faith/dharma wateva u wanna call it. so its a mish mash of everything.

Any ways the more i think about it the more confused i get and the more i apreciate islam for its clear and simple message for all of mankind, a message which can be understood by any one, n u dnt have to be an imam or holy person or saint or rocket scientist to be able to understand and practice. Its plain and simple "la ilaha Ilallah" there is no god but Allah "muhammadur rasoolallah" and mohammed saw is his messanger.

Muslims tell me different things aswell. But I know too well that if someone who calls himself a Muslim gambles, it doesn't mean that Islamic thought agrees with gambling.
What contradictions?
We acknowledge the existence of the Prophet as we do the Hindu Dietes. But why follow any of them as they cannot grant mukhti. Only the True Guru can grant that. (for further info please refer to past posts)

Again asking people individually wholly depends on if they follow and practice the Guru's teachings. In every religion not everyone has the same knowledge.

Actually unlike any following, the scriptures SGGS was written and compiled by Guru Arjan Dev Ji HIMSELF.
And Sikhi is simple..

But fare play to you for following your faith. Your religion is beautiful to you and mine is to me.

 

[jss]

well said, I have seen the chola aswell its in very poor condition I do not feel the management have looked after it well over the centuries, the same can be said of the chola of bandi-chor that Sri Guru Hargobind Ji used it is also in a bad conditon, why didnt somebody invent mothballs earlier lol;D

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki FATEH!

Seriously bhaji, too many ppl care about their kursi nowadays than anything else. sgpc cough cough, lol.

I've got a pic of Guru Gobind Singhs dastaar aswell if you want me to email it to you

 

[ISDhillon]

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki FATEH!

Seriously bhaji, too many ppl care about their kursi nowadays than anything else. sgpc cough cough, lol.

I've got a pic of Guru Gobind Singhs dastaar aswell if you want me to email it to you

i have seen the dastar its in sikhnet, panthic.org archives and tribuneindia archives, theres a sikh museam i think smithsoanian online i cant remember there is alot of stuff on that aswell, I have been to most gurdwaras in india just want to go pakistan one day hopefully never been.

tables/chairs and baba in chicago lol;D

ISDhillon

 

[jss]

i have seen the dastar its in sikhnet, panthic.org archives and tribuneindia archives, theres a sikh museam i think smithsoanian online i cant remember there is alot of stuff on that aswell, I have been to most gurdwaras in india just want to go pakistan one day hopefully never been.

tables/chairs and baba in chicago lol;D

ISDhillon

lol, yeah i'd love to go pakistan aswell, think soho roadies are planning a yatra in november. Yeh chicagowala is still on the loose :giggling:

If you ask me too many badal rss chelay in key positions.:rollseyes

 

[ISDhillon]

lol, yeah i'd love to go pakistan aswell, think soho roadies are planning a yatra in november. Yeh chicagowala is still on the loose :giggling:

If you ask me too many badal rss chelay in key positions.:rollseyes

I think suicide rate in farmers is the important issue in india anyways, we need ekta so got to learn to sit on one platform with all factions

 

[jss]

I think suicide rate in farmers is the important issue in india anyways, we need ekta so got to learn to sit on one platform with all factions

Tru, Guru Gobind Singh ji gave us panj piyaare to also steer panth. But nowadays its more jathedarship and we both know how much they do.

 

[Daffodil]

Muslims tell me different things aswell. But I know too well that if someone who calls himself a Muslim gambles, it doesn't mean that Islamic thought agrees with gambling.
What contradictions?
We acknowledge the existence of the Prophet as we do the Hindu Dietes. But why follow any of them as they cannot grant mukhti. Only the True Guru can grant that. (for further info please refer to past posts)

Again asking people individually wholly depends on if they follow and practice the Guru's teachings. In every religion not everyone has the same knowledge.

Actually unlike any following, the scriptures SGGS was written and compiled by Guru Arjan Dev Ji HIMSELF.
And Sikhi is simple..

But fare play to you for following your faith. Your religion is beautiful to you and mine is to me.

im not talking about issues like that, im talking about the fundamental beliefs (which sikh ppl in their religion dont even believe in the same thing) i.e there is not diety worthy of worship accept Allah and the prophet saw is his last and final messanger, and the five pillars and belief in the angels, books, prophets, day of judgment, after life, fate/destiny etc.

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[ISDhillon]

im not talking about issues like that, im talking about the fundamental beliefs (which sikh ppl in their religion dont even believe in the same thing) i.e there is not diety worthy of worship accept Allah and the prophet saw is his last and final messanger, and the five pillars and belief in the angels, books, prophets, day of judgment, after life, fate/destiny etc.

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ours is even simpler its called mool mantar and most sikhs will know this of by heart:

Punjabi: ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ISO 15919 transliteration: Ika ōaṅkāra sati nāmu karatā purakhu nirabha'u niravairu akāla mūrati ajūnī saibhaṃ gura prasādi
Simplified transliteration: Ik ōaṅkār sat nām kartā purkh nirbha'u nirvair akāl mūrat ajūnī saibhaṃ gur prasād ||
English: One God. Truth is his name. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Malice. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~

 

[Daffodil]

ok

why so dont u worship god how he wants to be worshiped, and

why do u worship him and pray to him through intercession by other priests,

why dnt u pray to him directly and

why dnt u follow the quran which is the word of god

 

[jss]

Daffodil just wanna ask some genuine questions about Muslims that have always puzzled me.

Do Muslims believe in reincarnation?

In regard to heaven and hell, how does do the Islamic scriptures describe heaven, and hell?

Is it true that according to your religion non-Muslims cannot enter paradise/heaven?

Under sharia law, is it true that if a Muslim converts to another faith then
they should be killed?

 

[jss]

ok

why so dont u worship god how he wants to be worshiped, and

why do u worship him and pray to him through intercession by other priests,

why dnt u pray to him directly and

why dnt u follow the quran which is the word of god

We do by following the Guru's teaching and japping naam.

By priests? Anyone who can is allowed to read Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It is not confined to a 'priesthood.'

Again we do pray to him directly.

As for the quran, if you believe in Islam then by all means follow it, be a good Muslim.
But to me my Guru is the Guru Granth Sahib which is the word of God.

 

[Daffodil]

Daffodil just wanna ask some genuine questions about Muslims that have always puzzled me.

Do Muslims believe in reincarnation?

In regard to heaven and hell, how does do the Islamic scriptures describe heaven, and hell?

Is it true that according to your religion non-Muslims cannot enter paradise/heaven?

Under sharia law, is it true that if a Muslim converts to another faith then
they should be killed?

we dnt believe in reincarnation, however there is life after death where we will reside in either hell or heaven for eternity after we have been judgeded by our creator.

heaven and hell is mentioned countless times in the quran and the hadith of the prophet saw, and is described in many ways. it describes different punishments in the hell fire etc and different rewards in paradise.

a non muslim will never be able to enter paradise. however a person who believes in Allah swt will.

and yes a person who aposticates from islam shud be killed under shariah law as there is no disbelief after belief. altho there are certain conditions i believe such as them being given a chance to repent and come back to the deen al haq, ill find out for u but yes they are killed if they aposticate.

 

[jss]

we dnt believe in reincarnation, however there is life after death where we will reside in either hell or heaven for eternity after we have been judgeded by our creator.

heaven and hell is mentioned countless times in the quran and the hadith of the prophet saw, and is described in many ways. it describes different punishments in the hell fire etc and different rewards in paradise.

a non muslim will never be able to enter paradise. however a person who believes in Allah swt will.

and yes a person who aposticates from islam shud be killed under shariah law as there is no disbelief after belief. altho there are certain conditions i believe such as them being given a chance to repent and come back to the deen al haq, ill find out for u but yes they are killed if they aposticate.

Thanks for the insight

 

[jss]

Also sorry forgot to also ask.

What is 'deen al haq'?

 

[Daffodil]

deen means religion, haq means the truth, so religion of truth.

ive gotta go now as ive gotta giv my crappy fone back to the shop.

 

[Khoza]

a non muslim will never be able to enter paradise. however a person who believes in Allah swt will.

Hmmm so your telling me that God (Allah) would allow you to enter paradise because you've branded yourself a Muslim in another words all the non muslims who dedicate their life to charity and good deeds and who believe in the almighty would be sent to hell when they die since they are not Muslims.
Ok interesting especially since if thats true then im guessing that all the people before the creation of Islam must have been sent to hell.