All eyes on Lebonon now... what about before?

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no its offensive that people like you speak out of ignorants

you can disagree with me

but your WRONG and the funny thing is that you know it yourself

death during war is not murder

however the deliberate death of innocent civillians during war is murder
 
Quruxbadaan said:
no its offensive that people like you speak out of ignorants

you can disagree with me

but your WRONG and the funny thing is that you know it yourself

death during war is not murder

however the deliberate death of innocent civillians during war is murder
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u speaking to me? i basically said what u said with examples :? :?
 
Crystal4Peace said:
death to other soldiers is not murder its part of the basics of war, death to civilians is murder especially when they can do less of it but choose to hit civilian areas which has been done in all wars and dont forget about the civilians targeted for no reason, should i state recent situations in Iraq or do i have to bring it back to Vietname when a whole village was slaugtered and they were charged with murder, if it was your child or mother searchingsoul u would have a totally different view, i think some of us are too comfy and say things we have no place saying.
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Thats exactly right

i keep saying these things but when your ignorant your ignorant

and sister do you believe that i even went to the extend of defining some of these words that shes using for her to see that she is mistaken gravely and still she chooses to be blind about it

what im still struggling with is why the mods let people make such ignorant statements that they clearly dont understand themselfs

im still struggling with that one

once again its allah who guides and may he guide us all AMEEN
 
Crystal4Peace said:
death to other soldiers is not murder its part of the basics of war, death to civilians is murder especially when they can do less of it but choose to hit civilian areas which has been done in all wars and dont forget about the civilians targeted for no reason, should i state recent situations in Iraq or do i have to bring it back to Vietname when a whole village was slaugtered and they were charged with murder, if it was your child or mother searchingsoul u would have a totally different view, i think some of us are too comfy and say things we have no place saying.
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I'm not denying that the affected Lebanese people have a right to hold a different view. But I'm speaking in terms of war. You are correct that the death of innocents happen in each war. It's a terrible thing. But it is a reality of war.
 
Quruxbadaan said:
no its offensive that people like you speak out of ignorants

you can disagree with me

but your WRONG and the funny thing is that you know it yourself

death during war is not murder

however the deliberate death of innocent civillians during war is murder
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When waging war each side expects civilian casualties.
 
Quruxbadaan said:
Thats exactly right

i keep saying these things but when your ignorant your ignorant

and sister do you believe that i even went to the extend of defining some of these words that shes using for her to see that she is mistaken gravely and still she chooses to be blind about it

what im still struggling with is why the mods let people make such ignorant statements that they clearly dont understand themselfs

im still struggling with that one

once again its allah who guides and may he guide us all AMEEN
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Don't fret over it too much. Everyone in this world will not agree with you.
 
ok you really dont get it, purposely murdering civilians or not taking careful precautions to avoid as many civilan casualties in a war is murder, its even under the Geneva convetions, why do you think those americans who did the haditha thing are being tried and the same went for many disgusting cases in Vietnam, are you that stubborn or you just dont comprehend?
 
Crystal4Peace said:
ok you really dont get it, purposely murdering civilians or not taking careful precautions to avoid as many civilan casualties in a war is murder, its even under the Geneva convetions, why do you think those americans who did the haditha thing are being tried and the same went for many disgusting cases in Vietnam, are you that stubborn or you just dont comprehend?
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I definetly comprehend. Stubborn? Perhaps. I tend to think that I'm more realistic.
 
yea well say that to the fellows in jail from this war and previous for unjustly killing civilians for the hell of it, again you truely are stubborn. Its murder when directed at civilians buttom line, go read some military documents why dont u, in fact i did, my dad was a reservist for 25 yrs
 
Crystal4Peace said:
yea well say that to the fellows in jail from this war and previous for unjustly killing civilians for the hell of it, again you truely are stubborn. Its murder when directed at civilians buttom line, go read some military documents why dont u, in fact i did, my dad was a reservist for 25 yrs
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Yes, my dad was career military as well. I'm sure he killed many innocents. My husband was in the military. I'm sure he killed many innocents. Guess what, it is a sad part of war. I don't feel that it's realistic to subscribe to a sterilzed view of war.

Do I support the death of innocents? No. Do I support war? Absolutely not. Is war a necessary evil? Yes. Does war abide by clearly drawn rules? Nope. Never has and never will.
 
no i was speaking to soulsearching on that one not you i know you and I agree
Alhumdulillah
 
Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.
 
searching enough arguing when you get educated and are ready to discuss things matter of factly come back to me

in the mean time you take your twisted view of reality to bed at night

war is war

and casualties will be expected when they become murder is when they are done deliberatly

im sorry that you dont agree thats what makes you ignorant and me not ignorant

peace
 
Keltoi said:
Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.
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at least you have a more rational and realistic view on it then others:giggling: i wont say any names
 
If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.

This is a persuasive argument. Perhaps war is murder? Forgivable murder? Justified murder? See, my views aren't set in stone.
 
Keltoi said:
Here is my take. If a soldier from any army kills a civilian who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat, and who is taking no active role in violence against that army, then that is indeed murder. There have been many cases of this in history, and these incidents are murder.
Then you have large conventional wars where both sides are bombing the heck out of capitals and military and civilian infrastructure, such as was the case in WWII. In these instances it is impossible to fully control the extent of civilian casualties, unless you firebomb an entire city, as in Dresden. If you really want to be honest about it, war itself is murder, sanctioned and sometimes unavoidable, but still murder. That is the point of war, to kill and not be killed.
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you see what your saying i can agree a little more with
 
Quruxbadaan said:
searching enough arguing when you get educated and are ready to discuss things matter of factly come back to me

in the mean time you take your twisted view of reality to bed at night

war is war

and casualties will be expected when they become murder is when they are done deliberatly

im sorry that you dont agree thats what makes you ignorant and me not ignorant

peace
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Interesting view on conflict.
 

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