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Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

AvarAllahNoor said:
Everywhere. It's the tradtional Sikh attire! Btw it's Gurdwara :)
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It means i never saw on streets a sikh women or men :-[ Its the first time when i see in women head the turban with the long veil:) Its compulsory with white or can be in other colours too:?I want to ask if there is a meaning of the white colour
 
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Tania said:
It means i never saw on streets a sikh women or men :-[ Its the first time when i see in women head the turban with the long veil:) Its compulsory with white or can be in other colours too:?I want to ask if there is a meaning of the white colour
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No can be any colour. My mum wears a black one. But Orange/white/black and blue are the main colours worn.But some Sikh women just wear a chunni (weil) you get with the salwar kameez. As long as head is covered it's not a big issue!

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AvarAllahNoor said:
You've put your point across very well, i've nothing to add but accept it's what you desire.

Although i did think as Sikhs, Muslims too covered the head as God is all around, so it it is out of respect. Think Jews do this too.

BTW - Is head covering in a mosque essential?
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Peace to you AvarAllahNoor:

Muslim women do not have to cover in their homes in front of their own families. We cover when non Mahram males are present.

And yes, a Muslimah must cover in the mosque.

Peace,
Hana
 
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Hana_Aku said:
And yes, a Muslimah must cover in the mosque.

Peace,
Hana
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And men?

I've seen a few with the topi, and a few with the shawl thing. But also acknowledged a few uncovered heads. It's compulsory for Sikhs to cover head when Gurbani (Reading from Scriptures) is done. - If any uncovered heads are visible, they are told to cover!
 
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We cover our heads when reading the Quran...out of respect. But anyway back on topic.
Since the nineties women have been allowed to remove more and more of their clothing till now they are allowed to dress as animals i.e. naked-only animals are covered in fur (well pigs aren't) cos it makes them feel more free and comfotable and Britain is a Democracy. So why can't we just remain covered? It makes us feel comfortable and protected beneath the veil from prying eyes.
 
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Living in this country you just have to accept that men are going to look at women in such a objectifying and disrespectful manner.

Jack straws comments about the veil have come due to the fact that his masculinity and sense of power feels threatened by sisters wearing the veil in order to empower themselves from the male gaze. In this way, the male cannot exercise his power through his gaze, but rather the woman assumes control of the relationship.
 
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Oh right so now he's an insecure attention seeker?:giggling:
 
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Can i ask women who wear the burkha, on the passport is the face visible?
 
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We live in a patriarchal society where, accordind to faminists such as Simone De Beauvoir, men assume power over women in every field.

Through the gaze, therefore, a man can exercise his power over a woman through sexually objectifying her according to his whims and desires.

However, this view has indeed been challenged by many, with some sociologists specialising in the field of gender, arguing that it is indeed the woman who holds the power, since she is the means through which a man can fulfill his desires. Thus, by beautifying herself, she instantly gets the attention of men who fantasise to be with her.

The veil is an excellent way for women to act so that men dont lustfully gaze upon them , as well as being an action which means that they are not drawing attention to themselves. Masha'allah.
 
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Salaam,

Check this out from a moderate muslim,this same muslim would also say the Quran is corrupted and it need to be revised.

Salman Rushdie says veils for Muslim women "take away power"

dpa German Press Agency
Published: Tuesday October 10, 2006

London- British author Salman Rushdie Tuesday joined the delicate debate about face veils for Muslim women saying they "suck" and weakened a woman's position. The writer, who was the subject of a fatwa by Ayatollah Khomeni of Iran in the late 1980s over his novel, The Satanic Verses, said he regarded the veil as a way of taking power away from women.

Speaking in a BBC interview, Rushdie supported the position of Jack Straw, the former British Foreign Secreatry, who last week sparked controversy with his comment that the veil was a "visible statement of difference and separation."

"He (Straw) was expressing an important opinion which is that veils suck - which they do," the Indian-born author said.

"Speaking as somebody with three sisters and a very largely female Muslim family, there is not a single woman I know in my family or in their friends who would have accepted the wearing of a veil," Rushdie said.

"The battle against the veil has been a long and continuing battle against the limitation of women so, in that sense, I am completely on his side. I think the veil is a way of taking power away from women," said Rushdie.
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In time they will be called western muslim,who do not pray,eat pork,drink alchohol,wear immodestly....all to show Islam is peace and unoppresive.

To show to the western world Islam is forward,they would be like the western world.

Such people are growing in abundace in the west,those who worship moneya nd support the western decadence and Israel.

Astarfillah.
 
Re: 'Remove full veils' urges Straw

If you don't like Western "decadence" and assimilating into the society in which you live, the logical answer would be to move somewhere you feel more comfortable. Don't be a hypocrite.
 
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the west is the hipocrite, which calls itself democratic, but actually cant accept people being diffrent to them!
 
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ya_Giney said:
the west is the hipocrite, which calls itself democratic, but actually cant accept people being diffrent to them!
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The west is the ultimate hypocrites.

After allowing other cultures to emigrate, they don’t want to change there culture to accommodate the emigrates.

How rude we are. :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
 
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You guy's better stop going offtopic, otherwise we'll have to start issuing warnings.



Peace.
 
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:sl:
Keltoi said:
If you don't like Western "decadence" and assimilating into the society in which you live, the logical answer would be to move somewhere you feel more comfortable. Don't be a hypocrite.
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I was under the impression that the west was, for the most part, democratic whereby if one doesn't like something, one has the ability to change it (through legal means). Guess I was wrong. But I can't be wrong, can I?!
 
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wilberhum said:
The west is the ultimate hypocrites.

After allowing other cultures to emigrate, they don’t want to change there culture to accommodate the emigrates.

How rude we are. :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
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:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: how funny you are! :rollseyes silly who mentioned anything about the west changing their culture, accepting other culture and their values is what i'm talking about! honey try not twisting words.
 
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ya_Giney said:
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: how funny you are! :rollseyes silly who mentioned anything about the west changing their culture, accepting other culture and their values is what i'm talking about! honey try not twisting words.
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So the West does not accept other cultures?
Many from those other cultures do not accept the Western couture.
So who is the bad guy? :hiding: :hiding:
 
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Look, Jack Straw said something. It doesn't mean women who prefer to wear the veil have to stop wearing it. This kind of agitation is exactly what fuels groups like the BNP.

NOTE: I am not implying that Mr Straw condones the BNP's practices, I am just saying Muslims simply cannot win if they get agitated over this. Just continue wearing the veil if you so choose, and ignore Government ministers' 'preferences' - it's not like their opinions are law.
 
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Muezzin said:
Ha!

As for Mr Straw's comments, I think they've been blown way out of proportion. Sure, I don't agree with him, but I don't think Muslims should be angry at him.
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Not really... this is how far it has gone:

Blair and Brown back Straw for raising veil


(Filed: 10/10/2006)


Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have both come out in support of Jack Straw's decision to open a public debate on the practice of Muslim women wearing veils.
While the Prime Minister stooped short of backing Mr Straw's call to abandon the garment altogether, he said it was "perfectly sensible" to discuss the matter in the context of breaking down barriers between communities.
And Mr Brown stated his support for Mr Straw on BBC1's Six O'Clock News when asked whether he would "prefer it and think it better for Britain if fewer people wore veils".
Mr Straw, the leader of the Commons, endured a string of verbal attacks after describing the veil as "a visible statement of separation and of difference" between Muslim and non-Muslim communities.
"I don't think anyone is suggesting it's not a matter of personal choice in the end, for people to do what they want," Mr Blair said today, "But actually what Jack Straw was saying was perfectly sensible, which is that if we want to break down the barriers between people and between different cultures and religions, then it is important these issues are raised and discussed."
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Mr Blair acknowledged that people felt very strongly about the issue, and said it was about ensuring people integrated and did not separate themselves out from the mainstream of society.
The Chancellor said that Mr Straw was "not proposing new laws, he is proposing a debate about the cultural changes that might have to take place in Britain".
And he added: "I would emphasise the importance of what we do to integrate people into our country, including the language and including history."
Meanwhile, author Salman Rushdie - once the subject of death threats arising from the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa over his novel The Satanic Verses - risked escalating the controversy by saying that veils "suck".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Rushdie backed Mr Straw's comments: "He was expressing an important opinion which is that veils suck - which they do.
"The battle against the veil has been a long and continuing battle against the limitation of women so, in that sense, I am completely on his side.
"I think the veil is a way of taking power away from women."
Elsewhere, John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, has been noticeably cooler on Mr Straw's intervention, observing that it could cause "considerable difficulties" in terms of community relations.


Source - Daily Telegraph

Is Britain going to become another France??
 

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