Iranian-American Student Abused By UCLA UCPD With Tazer GUN

[GARY]

LOL, you make it ironic

If you would like to post evidence of my racist tendancies I would be pleased to answer the charges. If not it would be proper to not make unfounded allegations toward other members.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Okay GARY, I apologize.

My Muslim friend at UCLA said that the kid is seeking legal action now, and that the kid actually asked for the trouble.

Iamthestarman (5:17:34 PM): tasers?
Greensoap6 (5:17:35 PM): ya
Greensoap6 (5:17:53 PM): those cops need to get whooped
Iamthestarman (5:18:20 PM): nah.. i actually researched the whole thing
Greensoap6 (5:18:31 PM): its the kid's fault?
Iamthestarman (5:18:45 PM): the cops should be re-evaluated for incompetency
Greensoap6 (5:18:58 PM): is the kid suing?
Iamthestarman (5:19:09 PM): i think he's pursuing legal action
Iamthestarman (5:19:14 PM): but the kid is a dumbass
Iamthestarman (5:19:15 PM): he asked for it
Greensoap6 (5:19:21 PM): how so?
Greensoap6 (5:19:32 PM): they grabbed him as he was leaving right?
Iamthestarman (5:19:47 PM): well.. that's a point of contention
Iamthestarman (5:19:52 PM): some people say thats the case
Iamthestarman (5:19:55 PM): others are like no
Iamthestarman (5:20:07 PM): but before that part happened.. here's what happened
Iamthestarman (5:20:14 PM): (paraphrased)
Iamthestarman (5:20:24 PM): the kid was at the libraryIamthestarman (5:20:33 PM): the cso asks him for his id card
Iamthestarman (5:20:37 PM): he says he doesn't have itIamthestarman (5:20:41 PM): the cso asks him to leave
Iamthestarman (5:20:46 PM): he tells the cso to "**** off"
Iamthestarman (5:21:10 PM): now.. people who know the guy all know he's something of a trouble maker
Iamthestarman (5:21:27 PM): and also an idiot
Iamthestarman (5:21:36 PM): unanimously that's been stated
Iamthestarman (5:21:46 PM): given his response to the cso, i believe it
Iamthestarman (5:21:54 PM): if the guy said leave, i'd be like "alright.. okay"
Iamthestarman (5:22:08 PM): and just fumbled out while feeling ¬__¬
Iamthestarman (5:22:17 PM): so yeah
Iamthestarman (5:23:10 PM): so anyways
Iamthestarman (5:23:19 PM): apparently the cso is then like "alright let me go get the cops"
Greensoap6 (5:23:22 PM): wow, then he deserved it
Greensoap6 (5:23:29 PM): why did he evem do that?Greensoap6 (5:23:33 PM): thats so immature
Iamthestarman (5:23:47 PM): i think he feels like he was being selected for racial profilingIamthestarman (5:23:52 PM): according to himself
Greensoap6 (5:25:19 PM): is it true that he yelled
Greensoap6 (5:25:30 PM): "am I the only martyr here?"
Iamthestarman (5:25:53 PM): and "patriot act"
Greensoap6 (5:26:00 PM): so that's a yes?
Greensoap6 (5:26:10 PM): lol, this kid is retarded
Iamthestarman (5:26:13 PM): in an effort to appeal to his fellow bleeding heart liberals i guess
Iamthestarman (5:26:17 PM): ucla is full of those
Greensoap6 (5:26:28 PM): i feel dirty defending him in forums bro

Wow, after listening to my Muslim bro in UCLA, I feel dirty defending this kid. You were right all along

 

[zanjabeela]

I guess it will be very interesting to see what comes out in court. But tazering a guy while he is down, and yelling for him to stand up after the tazer shot, doesn't sound like the appropriate law enforcement procedure. And those actions certainly ARE clear from the video.

And its widely held that after "a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so." source

Its kind of hard to isolate emotions when you see and hear a video as shocking as this, and then you realize that its literally in your own backyard...and man could have been you on the receiving end of the tazer.

May the right side win the legal battle.

 

[Muezzin]

I could see full well he was being stupid and overly dramatic. It still does not justify the response, which was overkill. That's why I said the guy got his punishment for being a fool. Those internal police officers should also be held to account, though.

Also, as I said earlier, race for me was not the issue, but rather excessive force was, no matter how foolish this guy was being.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

My Muslim brother said that the Iranian had a reputation for being a trouble maker and that he's constantly paranoid of racial profiling.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

If you would like to post evidence of my racist tendancies I would be pleased to answer the charges. If not it would be proper to not make unfounded allegations toward other members.

I suggest u do the same. Not everyone here would think its posted cuz the student might have been Muslim. Your kinda generalizing. Talk about preconceived notions. I see double standards I cant speak for anyone else, but i was definitely wasnt thinking it.
Btw, im only referring to the second sentence of ur post.

Anyways, back on topic :hiding:

 

[GARY]

I suggest u do the same. Not everyone here would think its posted cuz the student might have been Muslim. Your kinda generalizing. Talk about preconceived notions. I see double standards I cant speak for anyone else, but i was definitely wasnt thinking it.
Btw, im only referring to the second sentence of ur post.

Anyways, back on topic :hiding:

Well let me ask you, would the story have been posted here if it was a white guy with no religion?

We all know that the answer is 'of course not.' Why would it have been?

I see double standards

Yes, so do I.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Well let me ask you, would the story have been posted here if it was a white guy with no religion?

We all know that the answer is 'of course not.' Why would it have been?
Yes, so do I.

Lol that isnt the point...dont go out of context...k thnx!
What u said earlier still backfired on u.
Btw, nuthing i said included double standards.
it was only regarding what u said.

 

[Keltoi]

Gary was eluding to the same point I was attempting to make, which is that the only reason there is so much "outrage" on this forum is because the guy happened to be Iranian-American. This sort of stuff happens every day to drunk frat guys, unruly basketball fans, guys who flash a football game, etc. This isn't some premeditated act of racism against the poor abused Muslims. It was a police overreaction that happens about once an hour in the U.S. Not saying it isn't a bad deal...but c'mon.

 

[Muslim Thinker]

Gary was eluding to the same point I was attempting to make, which is that the only reason there is so much "outrage" on this forum is because the guy happened to be Iranian-American. This sort of stuff happens every day to drunk frat guys, unruly basketball fans, guys who flash a football game, etc. This isn't some premeditated act of racism against the poor abused Muslims. It was a police overreaction that happens about once an hour in the U.S. Not saying it isn't a bad deal...but c'mon.

I dont think anyone disagreed with you.

 

[GARY]

Lol that isnt the point...dont go out of context...k thnx!
What u said earlier still backfired on u.

Pardon? Let's look back. First Keltoi said,

Would this even be discussed on this forum if the kid wasn't an "Iranian-American" student? I realize this is a Muslim forum, but by creating a thread of this nature one is led to believe this happened because the kid was Iranian-American, and haven't seen any evidence to support this supposed racial component.

Then I said,

No, it would not have been discussed. The actual racial assumption here, is that he was a muslim. Is it correct to assume that any person associated with Iran is muslim? Obviously, the connection being made to the relevance of this forum, is that he is muslim. But is he?
Tsk, Tsk. Preconceived notions are the roots of racial hatred and violence.

And then I said,

Originally Posted by GARY
If you would like to post evidence of my racist tendancies I would be pleased to answer the charges. If not it would be proper to not make unfounded allegations toward other members.

Then you said,

I suggest u do the same. Not everyone here would think its posted cuz the student might have been Muslim. Your kinda generalizing. Talk about preconceived notions. I see double standards I cant speak for anyone else, but i was definitely wasnt thinking it.
Btw, im only referring to the second sentence of ur post.

Anyways, back on topic :hiding:

And I responded with,

Well let me ask you, would the story have been posted here if it was a white guy with no religion?

We all know that the answer is 'of course not.' Why would it have been?

Which leads us to,

Lol that isnt the point...dont go out of context...k thnx!
What u said earlier still backfired on u.

So, to respond to your attention to me my little stalker, I will start with

Not everyone here would think its posted cuz the student might have been Muslim.

. I did not state that everyone here thought this, my statement was that that is what the original poster of the thread was thinking. Certainly some others also thought the same though.

What u said earlier still backfired on u.

This part I just don't understand.

Lol that isnt the point...

I am a little confused? What IS the point? And why are you following me?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Because u make useless comments. my point was, although u think we cared cuz it was possibly about a Muslim, that ISNT true. Kapeesh?
You stated we have pre conceived notions and i said I dont think like that so ur makin assumptions. Thats why i said "double standards." Do i need to repeat myself or have u finally gotten it?
I'm not following u. Dont get paranoid my friend.

 

[GARY]

Because u make useless comments. my point was, although u think we cared cuz it was possibly about a Muslim, that ISNT true. Kapeesh?
You stated we have pre conceived notions and i said I dont think like that so ur makin assumptions. Thats why i said "double standards." Do i need to repeat myself or have u finally gotten it?
I'm not following u. Dont get paranoid my friend.

? You have a little trouble with basic communication? Once again, I did not state that anyone as a group thought anything. I said that the original poster did. And surely some others from statements made after.

I wish that you could grasp this simple idea.

Anyway, you have distracted me with this pointless tangent long enough, and I doubt there is anything left to say about it that even remotely relates to the thread.

So, on to the thread topic.

Muslim Thinker stated after that it now seems that the kid may have actually been less innocent than first thought.
Even with this information, we still don't really know. But it does make one realize that things are not always as they seem.

 

[aamirsaab]

........Anyways, back on topic.

In leicester england, regent college, a slightly similar inccident happened (and often does happen) where a student doesn't have his library card and is asked to leave the premises.

On refusal of this, a security guard is called who, being a 6'9 onwards, is usually enough to intimidate, just with his size, a student to get out of the library. If his size is not intimidation enough, he tells them to get out - most students do so but some kick up a fuss. On this occasion, the library staff issue a warning system. Once a student has a certain level of warning, he/she is expelled from the college.

No voltage. No pain. No lawsuit.

That's how it's done.

 

[soulsociety]

Even if he is a troublemaker, you don't taser someone like that.

 

[GARY]

Even if he is a troublemaker, you don't taser someone like that.

Why not? Serves him right, don't you think? Teach him not to be such a jerk. Wasting valuable law enforcement time. What if somebody was in real trouble somewhere else needing help, and this jerk is tying them up with his "look at me the martyr" routine?

Zap him again I say.

 

[Muezzin]

Why not? Serves him right, don't you think? Teach him not to be such a jerk. Wasting valuable law enforcement time. What if somebody was in real trouble somewhere else needing help, and this jerk is tying them up with his "look at me the martyr" routine?

Zap him again I say.

By that logic, I'd be able to temporarily ban anyone I wanted to simply because they got on my nerves rather than because they broke a rule. I'd have to think twice before becoming so mean-spirited.

I still think they should have just cuffed him and simply dragged him out.

 

[GARY]

By that logic, I'd be able to temporarily ban anyone I wanted to simply because they got on my nerves rather than because they broke a rule. I'd have to think twice before becoming so mean-spirited.

I still think they should have just cuffed him and simply dragged him out.

He did break rules though. He was also looking to play the martyr role. He got exactly what he wanted.

 

[aamirsaab]

He did break rules though.

Since when has not showing your library card been a crime worthy of repeated electric shock? (rapists and murderers get a jail sentence, but a student without a library card gets 200 volts?!) The UCPD are clearly in the wrong here as the mere intimidation of 4 officers would have been more than enough for the student to leave (I don't know about you, but if 4 UCPDs come up to me and say move, I move) - which he would have done if the UCPDs hadn't started shocking the crap outta him. Infact, during the zapping, the student was actually out of the library, sure he pretty much crawled his way out, but I guess being shocked several times kind of does that to you.

He was also looking to play the martyr role.

Oh come on.

He got exactly what he wanted.

What, electronic convulsive therapy?

 

[GARY]

Since when has not showing your library card been a crime worthy of repeated electric shock? (rapists and murderers get a jail sentence, but a student without a library card gets 200 volts?!) The UCPD are clearly in the wrong here as the mere intimidation of 4 officers would have been more than enough for the student to leave (I don't know about you, but if 4 UCPDs come up to me and say move, I move) - which he would have done if the UCPDs hadn't started shocking the crap outta him. Infact, during the zapping, the student was actually out of the library, sure he pretty much crawled his way out, but I guess being shocked several times kind of does that to you.


Oh come on.


What, electronic convulsive therapy?

You really should read through the thread before commenting. Try reading post #42 by Muslim Thinker, and follow the links in the other posts. It has been established that he was looking for trouble. And then Muslim Thinker's post #45,

My Muslim brother said that the Iranian had a reputation for being a trouble maker and that he's constantly paranoid of racial profiling.

. It may come as a surprise to you, but in most countries you are obligated by law to co-operate with authorities. Telling them to "**** off" as he did, is hardly co-operating.

rapists and murderers get a jail sentence, but a student without a library card gets 200 volts?!)

Actually, tazers are usually a minimum of around 50,000 volts if I am not mistaken.

The UCPD are clearly in the wrong here as the mere intimidation of 4 officers would have been more than enough for the student to leave (I don't know about you, but if 4 UCPDs come up to me and say move, I move)

Most people would move. But believe it, there are a few people around that are not like most people. There are some people that will resist just to be an ass.

He was also looking to play the martyr role.

Oh come on.

What's the problem? Young muslim men glorify the idea of being a martyr. They blow themselves up to inflict damage on the enemy. You think it is not possible that this guy would take the relatively small sacrifice to "prove" that the authorities are racist and anti-muslim?

I say go to his house and shock him again at home, the jerk.