Should the Taliban....???

[Warthog]

The taliban are not a good choice to rule over any civilians. They are oppressive and brutal. I think they would make excellent prison keepers though. Omar as the warden, and his cronies as the gaurds. I don't mind if criminals are treated bad.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I was thinking that many people are happy that the Taliban were driven out of Afghanistan while many other think the Taliban can bring peace there.
I'm Afghan-American and from my point of view, I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer there. The afghans went through enough torture.

What does everyone here think?

any proof that the taliban was a cause of the torture? lets see it inshaAllaah

 

[Al_Imaan]

any proof that the taliban was a cause of the torture? lets see it inshaAllaah

brother, I don't need to give any proof. The biggest proof ca be heard from the mouths of the afghans that were present during the Taliban rule. No one has to accept that all I believe is true. Like I said before, Allah(swt) is the All-Seeing and knows who has done what, where, and how. He will punish the wrong-doers and reward those who strive towards the right path.

ps: you can go through my other posts in the thread, it may not be much of a proof but it's what the afghans have been through.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

brother, I don't need to give any proof. The biggest proof ca be heard from the mouths of the afghans that were present during the Taliban rule. No one has to accept that all I believe is true. Like I said before, Allah(swt) is the All-Seeing and knows who has done what, where, and how. He will punish the wrong-doers and reward those who strive towards the right path.

ps: you can go through my other posts in the thread, it may not be much of a proof but it's what the afghans have been through.

i see jazakAllah khair, i just dont wanna believe anything without at least a little proof inshaAllaah. i guess this is something i will have to leave Allaah to judge, inshaAllaah he will do wats best.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Taalibaan indeed indulges in soofiyah and numerous other innovations, I think this is a wonderful post on another forum made about Taalibaan and many other groups some love today:



I read a fatwa somewhere by Shaykh Saalih Al-Uthaymeen condemning them as well.

these are lies against amir al mumineen and the leaders of the taliban by people who were never there taking stories from people who were also never there.

the taliban told the ulema if you consider us misguided, then come and live here and advice us but some just prefer their comfortable existence under the rule of tyrants and apostates.

 

[Dawud_uk]

assalaamu alaykum,

you ask my opinion so here it is,

amir al mumineen Mullah Muhammad Omar was the best thing to happen to afghanistan for a long time, i think they made mistakes but over all were an overwhelmingly good thing.

yes they forced women to cover, this is in the shariah according to the fiqh of imam abu hanifa, yes they beat some women from RAWA who would incite the taliban and then film the results and so they should.

RAWA are a kufr organisation promoting 'maoism' which for those that dont know is an even more extreme form of communism that comes from china under chairman mao.

most of the negative propoganda that comes from afghanistan came from RAWA and yet you all swallow it as truth, even though they are liars and deserve far worse than was given to them.

doesnt Allah tell you to check up on the facts if a Fasiq comes to you with news or there will be problems in the land and innocent people accused?

yet you believe these lies coming from the worse of people, those who promote kufr and shirk in taking secularism as a god besides Allah.

The taliban are the best thing for afghanistan, it was a messed up land full or raping and pillaging warlords and they cleaned it up and yes they were harsh, and make mistakes but sometimes a little harshness can be forgiven if the end result is for the good of islam.

for those talafis who doubt the taliban and make excuses for their own silence whilst a muslim nation was pulled down and destroyed then please check your own iman first in following the apostate leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya,

for those doubting the validity of destroying statues then know this is the sunnah, it is how we prevent shirk not just today but tomorrow and there after.

May Allah swt bring back the taliban and let them bring victory of islam to afghanistan and its surrounding lands, ameen!!!

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Hijrah]

HAve u been there?!

 

[Al_Imaan]

Dawud_uk
but sometimes a little harshness can be forgiven if the end result is for the good of islam.
May Allah swt bring back the taliban and let them bring victory of islam to afghanistan and its surrounding lands, ameen!!!

First of all, the Taliban didn't follow the shariah completely. There wasn't little harshness but alot...wait a minute...harshness? it's more like torture...closing schools and giving women no right is not said in the shariah, i'm not against the fact that they got women to cover themselves, but the amount of people they killed and how they killed them..that's just terrible. Some people here think that I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer in power and that I'm glad that America is in Afghanistan....I am not happy at all with America being there. The Taliban would have been fine IF they followed the Islamic shariah the way they were supposed to....I'm not sure if anyone here saw the documentary of the woman that was shot over her burqah in front of her three kids, and like it's said "don't believe what you don't see", but a family member of mine also witnessed it. Is that following the shariah?

Let's go back to what brother Erundur has said:

"I'm not pro-afghan government nor am I pro-talibs. What the talibs used was mainly Tribal customs mixed in with shariah. Not "Pure" shariah.

I still feel the Talibs were not the ones, I mean why then would they lose power unless Allah (swt) willed it?

I also believe that it was more like tribal customs, and if the Taliban had heart...they would have had mercy on the poor people.

 

[Dawud_uk]

HAve u been there?!

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all where are your salaams? you are on an islamic message board so greet your brothers and sisters with good manners.

right, no i havent, but most of my friends are from one side or the other of the afghan border as the masjid i attend most is pathan.

i have also spoken to scholars who travelled there whilst it was under taliban rule and have researched the topic extensively rather than just qouting some anti articles, i have read both sides and you say yourself they were devients and yet have you been there? have you met them? have those who you qoute been there or met them?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

First of all, the Taliban didn't follow the shariah completely. There wasn't little harshness but alot...wait a minute...harshness? it's more like torture...closing schools and giving women no right is not said in the shariah, i'm not against the fact that they got women to cover themselves, but the amount of people they killed and how they killed them..that's just terrible. Some people here think that I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer in power and that I'm glad that America is in Afghanistan....I am not happy at all with America being there. The Taliban would have been fine IF they followed the Islamic shariah the way they were supposed to....I'm not sure if anyone here saw the documentary of the woman that was shot over her burqah in front of her three kids, and like it's said "don't believe what you don't see", but a family member of mine also witnessed it. Is that following the shariah?

Let's go back to what brother Erundur has said:



I also believe that it was more like tribal customs, and if the Taliban had heart...they would have had mercy on the poor people.

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all i am not ignorant of the situation in afghanistan or the people of that region, my local masjid is mostly requented by pathans and tajiks living here in the uk and all of them are pro-taliban that i have spoken to.

yes they made mistakes but overall their actions are good.

regarding the women shot in the stadium that was filmed by RAWA, a kufr organisation trying to destroy shariah i might add. what was her crime?

she had slept with men for money, then when she feared her husband finding out about her lifestyle she murdered him, then tried to blame it on her daughter and would have seen her own daughter killed for this crime but instead she was found guilty herself and so executed.

in islam the death penalty is to be put in place unless the family accept to forgive her, in this case her in-laws not suprisingly didnt accept such a thing and had her killed after a shariah based trial.

if you look at a the site posted a few posts up regarding the taliban you will see they themselves admit schools were closed, or that schools that were co-ed were made into boys only schools to be more exact.

this is not the decision i would have made but what is the result now? secularism and kufr is taught to the children of afghanistan, mixed schools are now being built by the international community to try to push their values upon the muslims.

the taliban wished to educate girls, but they said it had to be an islamic education and many schools did stay open but others were closed because they refused to teach an islamic curiculum or where co-ed.

but closing co-ed schools, destroying statues, trials and execuation for murder (all justified within islam), is this all enough to prevent your support for your brothers and sisters in the taliban?

no, you make excuses from the land of the enemies of islam for your support for them, you and your family pay your taxes to them and take them as your awliya and if you remain there and do not leave then certainly you will have to face judgement on that and may Allah swt forgive you, me and all those living in darul kufr whilst the muslim lands need our aid.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[SATalha]

Ameen Bro, the motive of the west is clear. Building these schools to push their thoughts and values in to our world. I keep saying at least the Taliban tries to implement Allah's law. And for that i say a big thumbs up.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Ameen Bro, the motive of the west is clear. Building these schools to push their thoughts and values in to our world. I keep saying at least the Taliban tries to implement Allah's law. And for that i say a big thumbs up.

assalaamu alaykum,

exactly, they are trying even if sometimes they dont succeed, at least they are trying unlike the other 99% of the ummah with small exceptions in a few lands.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Erundur]

face judgement on that and may Allah swt forgive you, me and all those living in darul kufr whilst the muslim lands need our aid.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Yes may Allah (swt) forgive all the Muslims in Non-Muslim lands.

as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
i need to add this: our objection to al-qa`idah of ibn laden, whether it exists in iraq, algeria, palestine, lebanon or afghanistan, and the other similar groups like taliban and hamas, is not merely because of their methods, which indeed have corrupted the proper meaning of jihad and its goals and methods, but also because of their methodology and the way they understand iman and kufr, tauheed and shirk, and the fact that they resurrected the methodology of the khawarij and, in the case of taliban, sufism and, in the case of hamas, preferring political reform to reforming the creed and practices of muslims by claiming that there is no time to waste.....in the end, they did not establish the khilafah, or reform politics, or free muslim lands, or reform the creed and practices of muslims, but instead wasted tens of years trying to earn victory from allah without establishing the true islam in their hearts and life as the prophet of allah and his companions did......as a consequence, muslims now live in a far worse situation than they were even ten years ago: civil wars, backward economies, division, bidah, lack of safety, sects, nationalistic ideas, etc., which really brings grief to muslims and trouble to their lands.....in comparison, the prophet's blessed jihad and his companions' continuation of it led to the conquering of many lands, including palestine, iraq and afghanisatn: kabul was conqeured by an army that included some of the sahaba, and do not forget who conquered india and who delivered al-quds from the hands of the european christians, it is the same salaf that people today ridicule: i just received an email from a moron who takes osama abdallah as his teacher, attacking the salaf by calling them a sect, so i responded by saying that my sect is the sahab, what is your sect?.....
the salaf: they open and we close, they conquer and we surrender and lose, they succeed and we fail, they establish the religion and we divide in it, they earn allah's forgivness and we do not know how and where we will end if we continue defying them and contradicting the sunnah, we do not practice islam or its faith as they did but we wish to receive glory and might even more than that they received.....al-albani's advice is a golden advice, if muslims but listen and obey, that the young men and women of today should shun all these sects and concentrate on building their islamic faith and practicing it the way the salaf did that one day soon they may see al-quds the same way salah ad-deen saw it after around 200 years of bloody crusader presence......
as-salamu alaikum warahmatullah
jalal abualrub

 

[Dawud_uk]

Yes may Allah (swt) forgive all the Muslims in Non-Muslim lands.

assalaamu alaykum,

the long article you qoute mentions the taliban, yet it is contary to what i know of them from speaking to brothers who travelled there during that time, they did purify the sunnah and arrested some of the worst innovators such as two leading sufis until they repented and agreed not to act as they had done and also destroyed the structures built over tombs of saints.

the person seems to be speaking from ignorance, may Allah forgive him and may those he has slandered forgive him for such.

these allegations seem to stem from the fact that the talibans origins is in the deobandi madrasahs and because some of the deobandi scholars are upon shirk and bidah then all must be but this is like saying all those who attend al azhar are upon the ashari aqeedah and upon the innovations of their teachers?

one ruling on the taliban made this exact point and showing how rediculous it is, especially as most of the taliban studied in madrasah in northern pakistan not in deoband in india.

the old allegation of khawarij comes up again and again against those who are fighting for tawhid and islam, but many of those who make the allegation follow leaders who kill and imprison muslims and especially the mujahadeen and leave the kuffar alone even in the lands they are forbidden to enter by non other than Rasoolullah saws which is also one of the chief characteristics of the khawarij.

so who has the characteristics of khawarij? those who attack and slander the muslims often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Erundur]

assalaamu alaykum,

yet it is contary to what i know of them from speaking to brothers who travelled there during that time, they did purify the sunnah and arrested some of the worst innovators such as two leading sufis until they repented and agreed not to act as they had done and also destroyed the structures built over tombs of saints.

Me too, My grandfather went there, two of my Uncles went there so yeah...

the person seems to be speaking from ignorance, may Allah forgive him and may those he has slandered forgive him for such.
I hope not, he is a Muslim leader in florida, he did a refutation against a person who was slandering Islam, www.muslimaccess.com <--- check it out is on the first page, just go down and you will see his name.

these allegations seem to stem from the fact that the talibans origins is in the deobandi madrasahs and because some of the deobandi scholars are upon shirk and bidah then all must be but this is like saying all those who attend al azhar are upon the ashari aqeedah and upon the innovations of their teachers?
Do you know any of them personally?

Here is the thing, the Shariah law was mainly based on Pashtun Culture. I believe there is an article here where an afghan made a claim that The Shariah was in direct with there culture. But it was from a non-muslim source.

one ruling on the taliban made this exact point and showing how rediculous it is, especially as most of the taliban studied in madrasah in northern pakistan not in deoband in india.
Thank you for pointing out that the Talibs originated in Pakistan and not in Afghanistan.

who kill and imprison muslims and especially the mujahadeen

Both of my Grandfathers were Mujahadeen and so was one of my Uncles against the soviets, One of my Grandfathers had passed away though (may Allah forgive him)

so who has the characteristics of khawarij? those who attack and slander the muslims often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?
I help out in my local mosque:?



often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

:rock:

 

[Dawud_uk]

:rock:

assalaamu alaykum,

yet it is contary to what i know of them from speaking to brothers who travelled there during that time, they did purify the sunnah and arrested some of the worst innovators such as two leading sufis until they repented and agreed not to act as they had done and also destroyed the structures built over tombs of saints.

Me too, My grandfather went there, two of my Uncles went there so yeah...

May Allah swt guide you t follow them to go in the path of Allah, and may he grant us both the blessings of joining the caravan of martyrs, ameen.

the person seems to be speaking from ignorance, may Allah forgive him and may those he has slandered forgive him for such.

I hope not, he is a Muslim leader in florida, he did a refutation against a person who was slandering Islam, www.muslimaccess.com <--- check it out is on the first page, just go down and you will see his name.

Then he needs to leave Darul kufr like the rest of us then doesn’t he? and not be supporting the Kuffar with his taxes and presence. To be honest the internet is full of refutations of muslims by this brother and replies to it, and where as I might agree with some of his work he seems to be a little too keen to be saying Bidah, shirk, Kuffar and kaffir at people without establishing the evidence and I am going to stay well clear for him, he is all too typical of a certain type of muslim who claims the salafi Manhaj but who’s Adhab is anything but, but Allahu Alim I am human and could be wrong also and I am certainly no scholar or even student of knowledge but I prefer to take my knowledge from other than this man.

these allegations seem to stem from the fact that the talibans origins is in the deobandi madrasahs and because some of the deobandi scholars are upon shirk and bidah then all must be but this is like saying all those who attend al azhar are upon the ashari aqeedah and upon the innovations of their teachers?

Do you know any of them personally?

I know scholars and imams who has travelled those lands though not as Mujahadeen, only as visitors once the Taliban came to power. the scholars of the Mujahadeen have also affirmed through their personal contact the conduct of the Taliban and their strictness with the people of Bidah and shirk.

Many of my friends have family both sides of the border and all speak highly of the Taliban. Do you know anyone who went there themselves and have genuine concerns regarding their conduct?

Here is the thing, the Shariah law was mainly based on Pashtun Culture. I believe there is an article here where an afghan made a claim that The Shariah was in direct with there culture. But it was from a non-muslim source.

Exactly, there is no such source from good practicing Muslims because it is not true and is a lie and a slander and you should know better than to repeat such from the open evil doers such as the Kuffar and not repeat their lies without verification as Muslims are commanded in the Quran by Allah swt.

one ruling on the taliban made this exact point and showing how rediculous it is, especially as most of the taliban studied in madrasah in northern pakistan not in deoband in india.

Thank you for pointing out that the Talibs originated in Pakistan and not in Afghanistan.

They’re leaders are Afghanis, but they studied in Islamic universities in NWFP not in India, but even if they did it would not make them upon their Aqeedah and Manhaj, the emphasis is upon the one making it to prove it not upon the one defending the honour of his brothers and sisters to disprove it. Do you not agree? Therefore prove your allegations or withdraw them.

The Afghan-Pakistan border was drawn up by the British and is not accepted by the Muslims who live there as being valid, they all consider themselves muslims first, then their tribe and maybe somewhere down the list comes nation but to them it is not an issue, but even if all of them came from Pakistan then so what? Didn’t imam Shamil come from Uzbekistan even through his Jihad was fought in Chechnya?

so who has the characteristics of khawarij? those who attack and slander the muslims often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?

I help out in my local mosque

This was not a specific allegation at yourself, but only saying it is often those scholars who support the tyrant and apostate rulers and are found at their gates who make the allegation of those who fight for Islam as being khawarij, others who follow them follow them in making this allegation and yet they follow leaders and rulers who attack and kill the Muslims and leave the Kuffar alone which is also a attribute of khawarij Muslims.

Therefore i would prefer to take my knowledge from salafi ulema who show more adhab and are not found at the gates of the rulers as we are warned against such scholars.

ps.
finally brother, please remember your salaams, this is an islamic discussion board so we should keep to islamic adhab such as using salaams for each other, especially when they are given by someone else then you should respond.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Al_Imaan]

regarding the women shot in the stadium that was filmed by RAWA, a kufr organisation trying to destroy shariah i might add. what was her crime?

she had slept with men for money, then when she feared her husband finding out about her lifestyle she murdered him, then tried to blame it on her daughter and would have seen her own daughter killed for this crime but instead she was found guilty herself and so executed.

I know that too..but killing her in front of her kids?..what do you think of that?

 

[Dawud_uk]

I know that too..but killing her in front of her kids?..what do you think of that?

i do not know the full circumstances, but as the sources is RAWA, a kufr supporting organisation then i would not take anything they say as reliable, if they told me it was daytime i would look out of the window to check and expect it to be black outside.

even if true, it would not make them not worthy of support, remember her children are also their fathers children and yet she was convicted in a shariah court of murdering her husband, their father.

let me tell you another story of the taliban, one that shows their love for the true shariah, the shariah that brings justice to the people.

my friend and brother in islam lives in sheffield, about 2mins from where i used to live and we help each other out in dawah projects etc.

one eid he invited me straight from the masjid to eat at his house knowing i had no wife then and would have to go home and cook myself so he invited me in and they fed me biryani and sweet rice if i remember.

anyway, his brother was a labourer working in a town near khandahah as like i said before, most of my pathan friends have family either side of the border.

so anyway, whilst he was he was there a young couple, only in their early teens ran away together. you see they were from different tribes of pathans and as you are probably aware as you are from afghanistan, the pathans - especially the cultural ones will not marry outside their tribe.

so this young couple ran away together, but the two tribes being on good terms didnt fall out over it but just went in search of them and found them together in a deralict house nearby and dragged them to the qadi (islamic judge who was a talib) and asked that they be flogged for zina.

the judge asked for their witnesses, saying they needed four witnesses. they said they had over 50 witnesses who had seen them together in the disused house.

the qadi was amazed, and said 'you have over fifty witnesses that saw the pen go in the ink well?'

at this point i think the two tribes elders should have realised they were on a loser, and they denied they had seen them in the act and so therefore the judge gave them all 10 lashes for making a false allegation and freed the couple to marry.

mashallah, now is that not how the shariah should be? is that not only showing the wisdom but also the mercy of shariah as it should be practiced?

may Allah swt grant us such wisdom as he granted this qadi and may he make us firm upon the right path, ameen.

remember the taliban didnt just execute one woman, they also freed many more from forced marriages and gave them the option of stopping with their husband or leaving him and outlawed the practice of exchanging women to end disputes, and ending the practice of the brutal warlords who would send men to a girls house, if her family refused the request for 'marriage' to the warlord of one of his men the girl was usually murdered nevermind the thousands who just went missing and were kidnapped and raped.

sister, the taliban made some mistakes but over all were upon the sunnah and tawhid so pray for their guidence where they make mistakes and support them when they do a good deed such as fighting the kuffar and trying to establish the shariah and banish shirk from your homeland.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Erundur]

assalaamu alaykum,



May Allah swt guide you t follow them to go in the path of Allah, and may he grant us both the blessings of joining the caravan of martyrs, ameen.

assalaamu alaykum,
Agreed.



Then he needs to leave Darul kufr like the rest of us then doesn’t he? and not be supporting the Kuffar with his taxes and presence. To be honest the internet is full of refutations of muslims by this brother and replies to it, and where as I might agree with some of his work he seems to be a little too keen to be saying Bidah, shirk, Kuffar and kaffir at people without establishing the evidence and I am going to stay well clear for him, he is all too typical of a certain type of muslim who claims the salafi Manhaj but who’s Adhab is anything but, but Allahu Alim I am human and could be wrong also and I am certainly no scholar or even student of knowledge but I prefer to take my knowledge from other than this man.

I know some of his work, apparently not as much as you do, but what I had bolded, he did have a good point.



I know scholars and imams who has travelled those lands though not as Mujahadeen, only as visitors once the Taliban came to power. the scholars of the Mujahadeen have also affirmed through their personal contact the conduct of the Taliban and their strictness with the people of Bidah and shirk.

So do I...well my Father and Grandfather do.

Many of my friends have family both sides of the border and all speak highly of the Taliban. Do you know anyone who went there themselves and have genuine concerns regarding their conduct?

My Islamic teacher and the Mullah of my Masjid came from there (Afghanistan). Again the Intentions are not the concern, its the actions that many of them had used under the name of Shariah, that really is a concern. Because when you speak with some of them, most of the things that they had learned was out of mere recitation, now when say I this I'm not saying just 1 or 2 people.


Exactly, there is no such source from good practicing Muslims because it is not true and is a lie and a slander and you should know better than to repeat such from the open evil doers such as the Kuffar and not repeat their lies without verification as Muslims are commanded in the Quran by Allah swt.

Now when I had said this...

I believe there is an article here where an afghan made a claim that The Shariah was in direct with there culture. But it was from a non-muslim source.

I was not trying to use it as my jusitification as to why Shariah was being mixed in with Pashtun culture I've said it before that article came out. I know there is of no source, the source that I have are the testimonies from people who have been there. I've read the links that Islamicboy had given, the Deal UNOCAL, all of it.

And the article was for Afghans who wanted the Taliban back.



They’re leaders are Afghanis, but they studied in Islamic universities in NWFP not in India, but even if they did it would not make them upon their Aqeedah and Manhaj, the emphasis is upon the one making it to prove it not upon the one defending the honour of his brothers and sisters to disprove it. Do you not agree? Therefore prove your allegations or withdraw them.

I said they originated, I did not say that there were not leaders. I do not have his name right now, there is this one fellow from pakistan...but I will when I get home, I'm in school right now.

The Afghan-Pakistan border was drawn up by the British
I know, same thing that happened in Africa and The Middle Easter after WWI.


and is not accepted by the Muslims who live there as being valid, they all consider themselves muslims first,
Not too the ones that I've spoken too...Mainly it was there tribe first...

but even if all of them came from Pakistan then so what?
Why not help set up a complete Theocracy in Pakistan? I know there trying though.


Didn’t imam Shamil come from Uzbekistan even through his Jihad was fought in Chechnya?
I cannot comment on the situation in Chechnya as I am not really familiar with the situation except that Russians should leave and stop occupying the land for oil (all I can say is may Allah (swt) help the Muslims) nor can I google him for a quick reference. To make a quick discussion.



This was not a specific allegation at yourself, but only saying it is often those scholars who support the tyrant and apostate rulers and are found at their gates who make the allegation of those who fight for Islam as being khawarij, others who follow them follow them in making this allegation and yet they follow leaders and rulers who attack and kill the Muslims and leave the Kuffar alone which is also a attribute of khawarij Muslims.

If you makes you feel better I'm also not for the current administration either, People want a government in that region it should be done with the people in that region and not the help of foreign influence.

Therefore i would prefer to take my knowledge from salafi ulema who show more adhab and are not found at the gates of the rulers as we are warned against such scholars.

If it helps you sleep at night, then by all means:thumbs_up

ps.
finally brother, please remember your salaams, this is an islamic discussion board so we should keep to islamic adhab such as using salaams for each other, especially when they are given by someone else then you should respond.

My bad, most of the time that I am on here is while I'm in school either in between Instructional time or when my Professor is not looking:X :-[

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

:salaam:

 

[Hijrah]

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all where are your salaams? you are on an islamic message board so greet your brothers and sisters with good manners.

right, no i havent, but most of my friends are from one side or the other of the afghan border as the masjid i attend most is pathan.

i have also spoken to scholars who travelled there whilst it was under taliban rule and have researched the topic extensively rather than just qouting some anti articles, i have read both sides and you say yourself they were devients and yet have you been there? have you met them? have those who you qoute been there or met them?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

assalam-u-alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

i apologize for not saying this the first time but i will leave this subject it's really not worth it, Allaah knows best in the end