What will we Muslims lose if there is no GOD ???

[Hemoo]

What will we Muslims lose if there is no GOD ??? :? ​

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In here I will deal with this question from a probability and statistically point of view​

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What will we lose if there is no GOD ,as a matter of fact we didn’t lose and will not lose a big deal you know why ?​

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Because if there is no GOD then when we all die it will be the end ,no one will be punished and no one will be awarded as well ,so this will be the end of it and we will not lose any thing .

No one has lost any thing because if that is so then we are all equal , we are all just died ,we will be all vanished…


We Muslims didn’t have any trouble by worshiping one GOD alone with no partners .

We can eat every kind of food except a few things (like pork and non slaughtered animals and every thing that is harmful)
We can drink any kind of syrup except a few types of drinks (like wine and impure drinks and blood and every thing that is harmful )

So we Muslims are worshiping GOD and also are enjoying our life
Both males and females can get married and enjoy our marriages.(we don’t have to do prohibited adultery).
We can make journeys and enjoy traveling
We can work and get money and spend it to gain physical allowed enjoyments (like eating the allowed ,drinking , marrying , traveling , reading books , studying and becoming scientists and so on)
We are being kind to others and we help people and treat out fathers and mothers well and obey our parents for Allah’s sake .

But if there is a GOD then

any one who haven’t believed in that or didn’t worship him will surely lose a lot especially after he dies because all sorts of punishments will be waiting for him and he will enter eternal Hell with no chance to get out of it and you know what he deserved it.


More to say that :

FIRST :- If Jews will go to paradise because they worshiped one GOD and believe in all God’s prophets including Moses (peace be upon him) and the holy scriptures sent by GOD and because Jews obey the ten commandments ..

Then Muslims is more worthy to go to paradise because they worship one GOD and they believe in all the prophets send by GOD including prophet Moses (peace be upon him) and they believe in all the original scriptures came with those prophets with the addition that we also believe in the last messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) and believe in God’s last send book named the Qur`an and Muslims also have commands and orders that is mainly better than the ten commandments.

SECOND : if Christians will go to paradise because they believe in all previous prophets and specially in Jesus (peace be upon him) and his miraculous birth and be cause they love Jesus and his virgin mother and they admire both of them.

Then Muslims is more worthy to go to paradise because they believe in all the previous prophets and we never denied the miracles of them (like prophet Moses stick and prophet Jesus healing the diseased and prophet soleman having the jinn obeying his orders and prophet Joseph’s visions that came true and so all other prophets) and we love and admire prophet Jesus and his mother and we believe in his miraculous birth
And in addition we believe in the prophet Muhammad and we love and admire him and we affirm his miracles and obey his orders.


So a conclusion of all that is above Muslims will never lose a thing if they persist to be Muslims till they die.

If there is a GOD we will go to paradise and if there is not we will not suffer in our after life..

But there is a scary probability that atheists will lose every thing in there future after death and this loss will be for eternity
And the same thing can be said to Jews and Christians and all other current false religions

Then all those who have not believed in Islam will say the following :

In the Qur`an translation chapter 6:


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If thou couldst see when they are set before the Fire and say: Oh, would that we might return! Then would we not deny the revelations of our Lord but we would be of the believers!

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Nay, but that hath become clear unto them which before they used to hide. And if they were sent back they would return unto that which they are forbidden. Lo! they are liars.
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And they say: There is nothing but our life of this world, and we shall not be raised

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And could you see when they are made to stand before their Lord. He will say: Is not this the truth? They will say: Yea! by our Lord. He will say: Taste then the chastisement because you disbelieved.

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They are losers indeed who reject the meeting of Allah; until when the hour comes upon them all of a sudden they shall say: O our grief for our neglecting it! and they shall bear their burdens on their backs; now surely evil is that which they bear.

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What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand?





And finally I say peace on those who follow their Creator’s guide ..:thumbs_up


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:salamext:

Very nice post, Jazak Allâh Khayr for sharing, may Allâh swt reward u!

 

['Abd al-Baari]

Nice post
Jazakallah for sharing

 

[Hemoo]

sister muj4h1d4 & brother abdullah2907

و عليكم السلام و رحمة الله و بركانه
and jazakum allah khayran for your nice words

 

[Zone Maker]

Wow…………..I never saw it this way!:thumbs_up
Thanks.

 

[Pygoscelis]

It is amazing how often Pascal's Wager pops into the minds of theists. We've had numerous threads about it on this very forum. It is flawed in many ways.

Pascal's Wager is that its safer to believe in God than not to believe in God, because you lose nothing if you believe and there is no god, but lose everything if you do not believe and there is a god.

1. Can you control if you believe or not? Can you do it for a selfish reason like this reward/punishment dynamic? Would belief motivated by this be genuine and rewarded by God?

2. Maybe the real God (not the one you picked) will be more upset with you worshiping a false God than worshiping no God. Many holy books seem to hint at this.

3. Following the logic of the wager, you should believe in and worship the God with the worst imaginable punishment for not doing so. And even then, there could be an infinite number of other possible Gods with that same punishment.

4. Maybe God doesn't want to be worshiped, and punishes anyone who annoys him by worship.

4. THe wager shows a complete lack of morality. Bowing down to a God based soley on how he may torture you if you don't.

5. You most certainly DO lose by worshiping. You waste time that could be spent more constructively. You accept a bunch of dogma that usually includes negative things. You may even cut yourself off from friendship with entire groups of other people due to the dogma you follow due to their worldview or even gender.

 

[Hemoo]

1. Can you control if you believe or not? Can you do it for a selfish reason like this reward/punishment dynamic? Would belief motivated by this be genuine and rewarded by God?

in islam we are supposed to obey Allah and mainley do the five pillars of islam to become muslims

and islamic texts say that the faith does increase by doing the obedience and that faith lessens after doing a Sin


and we are really worshiping ALLAH between two mental cases
between Fearing of Allah and loving of ALLAH and so desiring all that ALLAH can give us.


if we do that and we are being sincere and do it for the sake of ALLAH then we are granted the reward from ALLAH.

2. Maybe the real God (not the one you picked) will be more upset with you worshiping a false God than worshiping no God. Many holy books seem to hint at this.

there is only one True GOD and I am sure that i am worshiping him..there is no "maybe's" in this situation.

and let me rephrase what you said "if there is a GOD then i am sure i am worshiping him"


and its ridiculous that you say its better to deny god than worshiping a false one ..that is nor really a logical conclusion..

3. Following the logic of the wager, you should believe in and worship the God with the worst imaginable punishment for not doing so. And even then, there could be an infinite number of other possible Gods with that same punishment..

as i said he is only one GOD , so i ask you to try to obey him as possible as you can or else :raging:

4. Maybe God doesn't want to be worshiped, and punishes anyone who annoys him by worship..

that is the funniest "Maybe" that i have ever seen , the religions say that GOD created us to worship him ,
God did not create all this for vain ..

if you say this it means that you don't know what is the meaning of a creator


and i will say to you why did humans create computer ,did they created computer to be used or to be only created for one purpose that is of just creating a computer
and so on every invention we do , why did we invent it ???

4. THe wager shows a complete lack of morality. Bowing down to a God based soley on how he may torture you if you don't..

okay you say that you are willing to be thrown for ever in hell fire ,that's your choice and this is not my choice.

5. You most certainly DO lose by worshiping. You waste time that could be spent more constructively. You accept a bunch of dogma that usually includes negative things. You may even cut yourself off from friendship with entire groups of other people due to the dogma you follow due to their worldview or even gender.

the best time to spend is to worship your creator and not to play or sleep or eat , etc


wasting times is when you do something for nothing but based on the stastical theory we muslims are working for the best possibilities.



in islam there is no worshiping is to be called as negative thing because islam is mainly looking for all benefits (advantages) and to rule out any damages (disadvantages)




and finally salam on those who follow the true path of ALLAH

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

1. Can you control if you believe or not? Can you do it for a selfish reason like this reward/punishment dynamic? Would belief motivated by this be genuine and rewarded by God?

Yes, your actions impact your heart, and its your heart through which faith must enter.

2. Maybe the real God (not the one you picked) will be more upset with you worshiping a false God than worshiping no God. Many holy books seem to hint at this.

Dont worry, we have the Quran, find a book more fit for God then that and let me know.

3. Following the logic of the wager, you should believe in and worship the God with the worst imaginable punishment for not doing so. And even then, there could be an infinite number of other possible Gods with that same punishment.

The punishments are not imaginable. Every other acclaimed religion has been proven wrong to the point where questioning is not allowed and blind faith is encouraged apart from Islam.

4. Maybe God doesn't want to be worshiped, and punishes anyone who annoys him by worship.

Do not completely ignore the messengers, if you believe in a God then know that he has sent messengers to instruct mankind and we have been instructed to worship him. Would you create a gizmo without a manual? i dont think so! Would school children be told to go to school and just sit there? i dont think so! They will have a teacher, like us we have our prophets!

4. THe wager shows a complete lack of morality. Bowing down to a God based soley on how he may torture you if you don't.

this shows pride and arrogance, if the creator has instructed us to bow then only the stupid will resist knowing that the fire is their recompense. Satan was surely one of the stupid.

5. You most certainly DO lose by worshiping. You waste time that could be spent more constructively. You accept a bunch of dogma that usually includes negative things. You may even cut yourself off from friendship with entire groups of other people due to the dogma you follow due to their worldview or even gender.

worshipping not only enlightens us but fills us with peace, a peace you cant attain with all the riches in the world. If the kings knew they would take out their swords to rob this peace from us.


so i say


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[Hemoo]

this shows pride and arrogance, is the creator has instructed us to bow then only the stupid will resist knowing that the fire is their recompense. Satan was surely one of the stupid.

first of all Thank you my brother for supporting and it was nice the example of the school . i say jazak Allah khayran.

and yes my brother IbnAbdulhakim you are right

it's pride and arrogance that makes the unbelievers don't want to accept the truth and they blinds their eyes and minds so that they don't see the clear Facts,

they even wants to works their arrogance on their Creator and Sustainer

on the one who can make him now ill and can grant him the cure

your whole body and life and soul is under the capability of ALLAH

 

[Pygoscelis]

and islamic texts say that the faith does increase by doing the obedience and that faith lessens after doing a Sin

That is rather circular. It only works if you already believe and hold the Quran to be a holy book and true. When I was a kid I tried to be Christian like my parents and it simply didn't take - I was being dishonest when I said I believed. I doubt pretending to believe in Islam would make me become muslim either (not that I'd want to).

There is only one True GOD and I am sure that i am worshiping him..there is no "maybe's" in this situation.

You have abandoned logic and and leaped to faith.

and its ridiculous that you say its better to deny god than worshiping a false one ..that is nor really a logical conclusion..

I don't know about the Quran, but the bible has entire chapters dedicated to God killing off people who worhiped false Gods. Much more about this in the bible than about atheists.

That God would punish misbelievers more than nonbelievers may not be a for sure conclusion, but it seems more likely as the opposite.

as i said he is only one GOD , so i ask you to try to obey him as possible as you can or else

lol! You are making cute little threats now.

No there isn't "only one GOD". There are no Gods. See? I can make bold assertions too. They don't get us anywhere.

that is the funniest "Maybe" that i have ever seen , the religions say that GOD created us to worship him

Couldn't they be wrong? Do you believe everything you hear?

God did not create all this for vain

We don't know that. Maybe he did. Maybe he was playing around one day because he was bored and decided to create us, and then like a kid with an anthill, poke at us for a while with floods and famines and locuts and other crazy biblical things, and then he got bored and went on to other things - and thats why we don't see those huge events anymore. Could be. And maybe if we pray too much we'll get his attention and distract him from his current project and he'll destroy us out of annoyance.

You can't prove otherwise. So given what we know, it is just as likely as your religious claims.

and i will say to you why did humans create computer ,did they created computer to be used or to be only created for one purpose that is of just creating a computer

You mean in the lab or once they were released to market? The machines in the lab were created exactly for the sole purpose of being created. Its called a prototype. And anyway, why assume the universe is like a computer? Maybe its more like a painting - important to God only for aestheticsr? Or maybe its like a doodle - something God made when he was bored and places zero importance on? Or maybe its even a mistake God hasn't noticed and corrected yet.

okay you say that you are willing to be thrown for ever in hell fire ,that's your choice and this is not my choice.

I find it a little disturbing that you'd follow this part of Pascal's Wager. Surely there are other reasons to obey God than that he will strike you down if you don't, like a tyrant? Pascal's Wager omits them completely. Obedience based on fear isn't something to be commended.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

No there isn't "only one GOD". There are no Gods. See? I can make bold assertions too. They don't get us anywhere.

I think someone will be really surprised when they die...

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

You have abandoned logic and and leaped to faith.

did you read my post? do you think i also abandoned logic?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Every other acclaimed religion has been proven wrong to the point where questioning is not allowed and blind faith is encouraged apart from Islam.

Every other religion has been proven false? That is an awfully bold claim to be casually tossing around. Awfully arrogant to just think others would accept because you say so too. Christians think the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. Muslims think Islam is the path. There is no reason beyond faith to accept either claim, and certainly no reason to accept one over the other (or the other hundreds of possbible god beliefs).

Do not completely ignore the messengers, if you believe in a God then know that he has sent messengers to instruct mankind and we have been instructed to worship him.

Men certainly have claimed to speak for God. The Pharoah even claimed to BE God. Its a nice way to get people to live their lives they way you tell them to. Of course there is no way to know if these people actually ARE gods or messengers from Gods, but I certainly doubt it.

Why would God need messengers? A real God could just have you know what he wants you to know.

this shows pride and arrogance, if the creator has instructed us to bow then only the stupid will resist knowing that the fire is their recompense. Satan was surely one of the stupid.

Why must God always be potrayed as a mad tyrant? I see no reason why a real God would care if her creation worshiped her.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I think someone will be really surprised when they die...

Indeed. You will be quite alarmed when you face Anubis as he discovers you have been worshiping a false God claiming to be the only God.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Every other religion has been proven false? That is an awfully bold claim to be casually tossing around. Awfully arrogant to just think others would accept because you say so too. Christians think the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. Muslims think Islam is the path. There is no reason beyond faith to accept either claim, and certainly no reason to accept one over the other (or the other hundreds of possbible god beliefs).

Its not bold at all, whenever i hear christians speak all i hear is "BELIEEVE!! YOU WIILL BE SAVED", it escapes all logic, their bible has corruptions according to 32 scholars of the highest eminence backed up by 50 denominations. It has grave errors, it has scenes of incest!

Men certainly have claimed to speak for God. The Pharoah even claimed to BE God. Its a nice way to get people to live their lives they way you tell them to. Of course there is no way to know if these people actually ARE gods or messengers from Gods, but I certainly doubt it.

find ONE thing any of the messengers have gained through claiming to be the prophet if not pain and tragedy! Why would anyone just do this for no reason. Also why do you overlook all the facts clearly pointing towards prophethood, get over this intellectual boastful exterior and look deeper within. Anyone who studies the lives of any of these prophets will realise the truth.

Why would God need messengers? A real God could just have you know what he wants you to know.

Do you not know the story of Adam and the Satan. Im sure you've heard it many times but this life is a test! and my friend, you arent passing. A test isnt easy, you must strive to find the truth, if you wallow in ignorance you will only beget the fire....

Why must God always be potrayed as a mad tyrant? I see no reason why a real God would care if her creation worshiped her.

mad tyrant? audhubillah, without even trying to understand if there is a God and without even trying to understand the attributes of God you make such a claim, may Allah guide you!

 

[wilberhum]

Is it just me being me or what? I find it quite odd. A thread titled

What will we Muslims lose if there is no GOD ???

And then the poster bases all there arguments on the basis that there is a god.
But as Pygoscelis pointed out, the argument is just another Pascal's Wager

 

[aamirsaab]

After reading several posts on this, I decided I might as well join in (my apologies in advance if you think I and/or my opinions suck).

You have abandoned logic and and leaped to faith.

Indeed, but that is what religion is all about: faith.

Couldn't they be wrong? Do you believe everything you hear?

Remember that five letter F word I mentioned a couple of sentences above?

We don't know that. Maybe he did. Maybe he was playing around one day because he was bored and decided to create us, and then like a kid with an anthill, poke at us for a while with floods and famines and locuts and other crazy biblical things, and then he got bored and went on to other things - and thats why we don't see those huge events anymore. Could be. And maybe if we pray too much we'll get his attention and distract him from his current project and he'll destroy us out of annoyance.

You seem to have such a negative view on God.

You can't prove otherwise. So given what we know, it is just as likely as your religious claims.

Valid point.

And anyway, why assume the universe is like a computer? Maybe its more like a painting - important to God only for aestheticsr? Or maybe its like a doodle - something God made when he was bored and places zero importance on? Or maybe its even a mistake God hasn't noticed and corrected yet.

The assumption that is being made here is that God has similarities to man - this is incorrect. If one has an understanding of the concept of God, one would not make this assumption.

I find it a little disturbing that you'd follow this part of Pascal's Wager. Surely there are other reasons to obey God than that he will strike you down if you don't, like a tyrant? Pascal's Wager omits them completely. Obedience based on fear isn't something to be commended.

I and many muslims do not obey God based on fear, thank you very much. I obey Him as I would my parents: unconditionally and with the utmost respect. If there is a contributing factor to me carrying out a good deed it is that the action will be rewarded in the afterlife.

Relating to the orginal question: well, we would just die in it? No heaven no hell. Just 6 feet of earth.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I and many muslims do not obey God based on fear, thank you very much. I obey Him as I would my parents: unconditionally and with the utmost respect.

I can respect that. I imagine there are additional reasons people believe and follow as well. But Pascal's Wager's logic (which I was addressing) is about the punishment/reward dynamic.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Aamirsaab you dont ever think (omg if i do this sin Allah will punish me?) or (omg if i miss dis prayer i might end up in hell for 80 years) etc etc.

of course lets not be dum we also think (Alhamdulillah for this beautiful wife which God bestowed) and (Alhamdulillah for these great gifts given only by God out of mercy) we love and fear him!

 

[NoName55]

What will we Muslims lose if there is no GOD ?

As a Muslim,it is a none-question for me so what am I doing replying to it ... I'd better get out of it before I say some thing