Questions directed to atheists and agnostics only

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hemoo said:
do you consider your self a pure materialist ?
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Most certainly not.

what about things that do exist but you didn't have the chance to deal with it with your 5 sences ?

the things you didn't smel or hear or see or touch or taste ... can be the facts you never got the chance to examine .although they are facts and the problem is with you ..

i mean that it is a fact that many things do exist but me and you didn't know because me and you didn't deal with them ..
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What about them? They are certainy there, I think. Where I would differ with yourself is in thinking that belief in God is a very simplistic way of addressing such things. Rather than determined spiritual effort to find out and experience what really is, the whole kaboodle of anything not immediately explainable in materialistic terms just gets assigned to God and effectively forgotten about. How much is then missed, I wonder?
 
czgibson said:
What evidence do you have that this sixth sense exists?
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A sixth sense actually does exist. The kinestetic sense (not sure if I spelled that right - its how you know where your arms are if you have them behind your back and can't feel them). I believe there is a seventh sense too. But it too is not anything magical.

As for a "spiritual sense"? No. It is nothing more than your subconcious mind expressing wants and needs.
 
Pygoscelis said:
If they are so remote that they have no impact on my life, measurable by my senses, then I really don't care about them whether they exist or not. It is irrelevant
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Grace Seeker said:
They make not be so remote as you think. Carbon monoxide is a tasteless, odorless, invisible gas that is completely undetectable to our 5 senses, yet it kills hundreds of people every year.
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Carbon monoxide is not so remote that it has no impact upon my life, measurable by my senses. If I get carbon monoxide poisoning I feel all sorts of sensations.
 
Indeed. And there is evidence that it has gotten into some peoples' systems and done them harm - so it is relevant. There is no such evidence regarding anything "spiritual".
 
Grace Seeker said:
And that too is a belief. As Mr. Gibson asked of me, can you rationally prove it?
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Well that depends on how you define your terms.

Scientists can poke at your brain to make you "feel" a profound spiritual experience, indistinguishable from "contact with God". They can do the same with drugs.

But then I suppose you could always argue that God is more likely to connect with us if we are brain damaged or on drugs. One great thing about "spiritual" and "God" beliefs is that you can change them to match pretty much any data we collect.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Well that depends on how you define your terms.

Scientists can poke at your brain to make you "feel" a profound spiritual experience, indistinguishable from "contact with God". They can do the same with drugs.

But then I suppose you could always argue that God is more likely to connect with us if we are brain damaged or on drugs. One great thing about "spiritual" and "God" beliefs is that you can change them to match pretty much any data we collect.
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Well, certainly changing one's beliefs to match the data one collects would be a reasonable thing to do, if one was wanting to operater purely rationally.

But in this case I don't think your suggestion has much weight. Those same techniques can be used to make you sense all sorts of things. My wife has had two strokes. So I don't take brain injuries lightly. In the second it profoundly effected her affect and the perception centers of her brain. She saw things that were not there. She saw people as perfectly whole if on her right side and as being just skeletons with bloody sinew hanging from the bones if standing to her left side. And those standing directly in front of her she saw both halves at the same time. It was a very traumatic time for her, and for all who cared for her, because the experiences were so vivid that she could not tell whether they were real or not. Nor could she be confident that normal things were not hallucinations as well.

A nuerosurgeon will stimulate the brain as you described to find out where she is as she operates. The patient may even smell Grandma's muffins, though Grandma has been dead many years. The fact that these things can be artificially induced does not mean that there is no real set of Grandma's muffins. In fact, the ability to stimulate them in the brain makes me more certain that there must be something real for the brain to correlate those sensed experiences to in real life.


Pygoscelis said:
Indeed. And there is evidence that it has gotten into some peoples' systems and done them harm - so it is relevant. There is no such evidence regarding anything "spiritual".
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Have you not in the past commented on the number of atrocities commited in the name of relgion? It seems that when people become spiritually perceptive, it very much matters whether they are breathing in good or poisionous spiritual perceptions.
 
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Pygoscelis said:
Well that depends on how you define your terms.

Scientists can poke at your brain to make you "feel" a profound spiritual experience, indistinguishable from "contact with God". They can do the same with drugs.

But then I suppose you could always argue that God is more likely to connect with us if we are brain damaged or on drugs. One great thing about "spiritual" and "God" beliefs is that you can change them to match pretty much any data we collect.
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That is very true. If fact my former mentor would have carried it much further. I too agree that many physical stimuli can can be interpreted to be a mysterious spiritual experience.

I will go even further and state that many teenagers at about the age of 16 become overwhelmed with a sense of insight and feeling of contact with a level beyond themselves. I would even say that is the result of the beginning adult neurological maturity and an awareness of bicameral thought process.

Now with that said how would one recognize a true spiritual experience? To be honest the only ways I know that a person could recognize a feeling as a spiritual experience will be if they have either total faith and confidence that such exists or they have had the misfortune to have experienced both physical and spiritual stimulus to the limbic system and have felt the differences.

Personaly I would say that one distinguishable difference between stimuli and spiritual experience is the length of time the effects last. With physical stimuli, the person needs to search for the same conditions or substance that caused the feeling over and over again. The search becomes addictive and is an almost insatiable drive.

With a spiritual experience, the feeling never leaves. It needs no further stimuli, the memory alone of it is sufficient and it does result in profound, noticeable personality changes, that can only be described as fulfillment.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Maybe off topc, but anybody here familiar with the research re the "god gene"?

Don't know much about it. If it exists. If it was a mytho or what.
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I have not come across the "god Gene" however, in physics there is now some speculation about a "God Particle" Which seems to be stirring up some interest.
 
snakelegs said:
pygo,
you might find this interesting. an atheist once gave me some links about memes. according to him, religion could be classified as a "mind virus."
i never got around to reading it and have long ago lost the links but check here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memes
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Its an interesting comparison but really just a metaphor. Religions do spread from parent to child and through communities. And the more aggressive/catchy ones are fittest and the others die out. Evolution of religion :)
 
i have read part of this research named the GOD gene

and i can only tell you about what happened in the times of the prophet Muhammad (peace beupon him)

there was some of the peope of Mekka who was against believeing in one God like Omar ibn elkhattab he used to hate mulsims and hurt them .

but as we muslims know that our prophet prayed and called Allah to guide one of the Omar's and after a while this man Omar Ibn elkhattab became one of the companions of the prophet and he became one of the best defenders of islam against the non muslims.

so his believe did change from many gods to become a believer in one GOD without assosiating any partners with him and he become one of the best muslims that we know about ...
 
hemoo said:
Are you atheists and agnostics are happy in your lives ?

Okay, what is your main purpose in life (honestly) ?


You will say my purpose is to enjoy it ,so don’t you ever get bored?

Have you ever thought of committing suicide?​
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Very Happy thanks! :statisfie

Purpose in Life at the moment is to bring up my children well, with respect for others and beleif in themselves. Also to do what I can to better the lives of those around me and myself. My purpose changes over time and I'm constantly discovering new things. :)

Never get bored. The world is too interesting. Lots to do here.

Suicide? Well thats like cashing in your chips before youve played the game. Theres absolutly no way to know if theres anything after this, so make the utmost of your time here. A very worthwhile way to spend that time is trawl Forums and play online computor games.:rollseyes

Cheers.
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hemoo said:
i have some questions to the atheists and agnostics and i hope you all reply honestly and clearly

I want this question to be answered only by atheists and agnostics


Are you atheists and agnostics are happy in your lives ?

Okay, what is your main purpose in life (honestly) ?


You will say my purpose is to enjoy it ,so don’t you ever get bored?

Have you ever thought of committing suicide?


that's it for now and i am waiting to see your responses

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and thanks in advance for answering​
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Assalamu alaikkum wa rahmathullahi wa barakathuhu brothers.. and sisters...
Iwould like to know what does atheists and agnostics mean is this a religon please answer?:w:
 
Atheists beleive that there is no God. No creator.

Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge.

I'm a Monothiest. I beleive theres a Creator, but that it has nothing to do with any man made religion.
 
i have a new question to all :

what is your explanation of the following red colored portion of the hadith said by the prophet (peace be upon him) from more than 1400 years:

in the book of authentic hadith named "sahih Bukhary"

Narrated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

in your opinion how did the prophet know that their is a cure in some parts of the house fly ?

and thanks all for replying...


 

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