Deploy troops in Iran...!

[Keltoi]

I've gone from being angry to just plain baffled, now. What on earth do the Iranians think they are achieving?

I understand that they might originally have wanted to flex their muscles and try and 'humiliate' and embarrass the British (as proxies for the Americans) but all they are doing now is making themselves look like bullies. Even if the Brits had been in Iranian waters they would not be making voluntary 'apologies' or writing strange letters to Tony Blair about why he should withdraw the troops from Iraq. As it is so obvious this is happening under duress, what is the point? Add to that the fact that the best answer Iran had to British photographic and GPS evidence was some bloke pointing a stick at a map and they are beginning to look very foolish indeed. I just hope they don't do anything stupid as that fact finally starts to sink in.

I agree. At first I thought this incident would be over quickly when cooler and more sane heads in Iran took over the politics of it, but unfortunately it doesn't appear that there is any sane political element in Iran to bring an end to this fiasco.

 

[Cognescenti]

It is actually pretty funny what they are doing. By presenting these servicemen in the manner that they are is only further discrediting their claims. If they were in fact in Iranian waters the Iranians would have already started prosecuting and would have said to Britain that they couldnt have them back. They are only making trouble for themselves, especially since the letters and speeches are obviously not in these peoples own words. Iran will feel the reprecussions of these juvenile acts

Yes...it does seem incromprehensible to those in the West that anyone would believe these obviously coerced apologies. The idea that a RN sailor would write her mother to attone for her "sin" of crossing an international boundary is so preposterous as to be laughable.

Yet, they are putting so much effort into it, it does seem they think someone will believe them. It is only one step up the ladder of amateurishness from Baghdad Bob and his hilarious briefings during the war. The social/cultural chasm that separates those who would believe such preposterous "apologies" from the thinking part of the world is vast.

It would be funny, if the consequences of miscalculation were not so grave.

I miss Baghdad Bob

 

[samah12]

Yes...it does seem incromprehensible to those in the West that anyone would believe these obviously coerced apologies. The idea that a RN sailor would write her mother to attone for her "sin" of crossing an international boundary is so preposterous as to be laughable.

Yet, they are putting so much effort into it, it does seem they think someone will believe them. It is only one step up the ladder of amateurishness from Baghdad Bob and his hilarious briefings during the war. The social/cultural chasm that separates those who would believe such preposterous "apologies" from the thinking part of the world is vast.

It would be funny, if the consequences of miscalculation were not so grave.

I miss Baghdad Bob

I would have thought with a regime like Iran the only people they are trying to convince are the Iranians, who will no doubt be convinced by the 'sincere' apologies of the kidnapped Brits. Unfortunately other Arab populations may also be somewhat convinced because they want to be.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

They say those prisoners held will be facing trial. - What happens next....

 

[Trumble]

They say those prisoners held will be facing trial. - What happens next....

Does anyone know the Parsi for "when you are in a hole it's best to stop digging?"

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

They looked well on t.v

but lol at those fake letters

 

[Talha777]

Iran should have killed the navy people rather than take them as prisoners. But now their focus should be to extract a major ransom in return for their lives.

 

[Woodrow]

I would have thought with a regime like Iran the only people they are trying to convince are the Iranians, who will no doubt be convinced by the 'sincere' apologies of the kidnapped Brits. Unfortunately other Arab populations may also be somewhat convinced because they want to be.

Iran is not an Arab nation. The majority of the people are Persian and not a semitic nationality The language spoken is Farsi not Arabic.

However, your point may be valid, they may be trying to establish cooperation with their Arab
neighbors as historically relations between the Arab world and Persia have often been strained and very insecure.

 

[Trumble]

Iran should have killed the navy people rather than take them as prisoners.

Tell me, if they had would you consider it a war crime, a political crime, or a religious crime?

 

[*Hana*]

Iran should have killed the navy people rather than take them as prisoners. But now their focus should be to extract a major ransom in return for their lives.

It's because of these types of thoughtless remarks that the world sees Muslims as barbarians and uneducated war mongers!

Ohhh, I so want to rant right now, but I know it's pointless.

May Allah, swt, guide you. Ameen

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana

 

[samah12]

Iran is not an Arab nation. The majority of the people are Persian and not a semitic nationality The language spoken is Farsi not Arabic.

However, your point may be valid, they may be trying to establish cooperation with their Arab
neighbors as historically relations between the Arab world and Persia have often been strained and very insecure.

Thank you for the correction Brother and my apologies to the Iranians. I tend to think of Iran as Arabic because they are situated in what the west refers to as the middle east.

 

[Talha777]

Tell me, if they had would you consider it a war crime, a political crime, or a religious crime?

It wouldn't have been a crime at all. UK is at war with Muslims, their navy, army, air force are all targets for Iran, especially if they are trespassing on their waters.

It's because of these types of thoughtless remarks that the world sees Muslims as barbarians and uneducated war mongers!

Why do you care about how they view us, shouldn't our primary focus be on gaining the approval of Allah Taala rather that disbelievers?

 

[*Hana*]

It wouldn't have been a crime at all. UK is at war with Muslims, their navy, army, air force are all targets for Iran, especially if they are trespassing on their waters.

The word here being IF!! So murder them all first and confirm it later. Brilliant!!

Why do you care about how they view us, shouldn't our primary focus be on gaining the approval of Allah Taala rather that disbelievers?

And what makes you think Allah, swt, would approve the comment you made!!??

I don't particularly care how I am viewed, but I do bloody well care when the beauty of Islam is belittled with thoughtless comments that makes it sound like Islam promotes killing. You need to think before you make such statements that have no basis in Islam!!

Allah, swt, does NOT tell Muslims to go arbitrarily kill people on a whim, nor does He tell us to use captives as pawns and force them to write lies in an effort to get what we want.

I refuse to discuss this further with you because it will only get me into a full page rant which will serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. Think what you want, but, Alhamdulillah, I was taught the true beauty of Islam and embraced before meeting anyone that wanted me dead before I had the opportunity!!

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

Now be careful Hana, Islam tells us that we have right to kill invaders, US/UK troops are invaders, everyone who is fighting them have right to kill them, not transgressing the limits tho, may Allah forgive me if I'm wrong, but it's kinda obvious to me in this situation that muslims are completely justified to kill occupiers and drive them out.

I'm not refering to the Iranian situation tho, killing prisoners or killing enemies who you can imprison is prohibited by Islam as far as I know. Alllahu alim.

 

[snakelegs]

if it is proven that they were in iranian waters and islam says it is ok to kill them another question arises. would it be wise to do so if it might very well bring about massive death and destruction to muslims?
there are times when it is unwise to do even that which is permissable.
we are dealing with a very volatile situation and i hope it is resolved soon before a new nightmare is unleashed.

 

[Talha777]

if it is proven that they were in iranian waters and islam says it is ok to kill them another question arises. would it be wise to do so if it might very well bring about massive death and destruction to muslims?
there are times when it is unwise to do even that which is permissable.
we are dealing with a very volatile situation and i hope it is resolved soon before a new nightmare is unleashed

Islam is ok with killing them even if they were in Iraqi waters. Muslims are already under attack from America and Britain, we are already facing massive death and destruction as a result of their wanton invasions of our countries. We have to be courageous, not cowardly, and be willing to lay down our lives, even in massive disproportionate numbers, for the sake of Truth and the cause of Allah. That is what it means to be a Muslim, to unhesitatingly lay down your very life for the sake of the Rabb. We should follow in footsteps of the prince of martyrs Hazrat Imam Husain (Razi Allah Taala anho)

 

[barney]

It wouldn't have been a crime at all. UK is at war with Muslims, their navy, army, air force are all targets for Iran, especially if they are trespassing on their waters.

We are at war? Who declared that? Is it undeclared? Who fired the first shots? What is the wars objectives?

 

[Talha777]

We are at war? Who declared that? Is it undeclared? Who fired the first shots? What is the wars objectives?

Whether you (Britain) have declared it or not is immaterial. The fact is that you have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, which are Muslims countries, and hence you have indirectly attacked all Muslims. Therefore your forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and anywhere else in Muslim countries, including their waters, are legitimate targets which Muslims can, and will attack.

 

[snakelegs]

Islam is ok with killing them even if they were in Iraqi waters. Muslims are already under attack from America and Britain, we are already facing massive death and destruction as a result of their wanton invasions of our countries. We have to be courageous, not cowardly, and be willing to lay down our lives, even in massive disproportionate numbers, for the sake of Truth and the cause of Allah. That is what it means to be a Muslim, to unhesitatingly lay down your very life for the sake of the Rabb. We should follow in footsteps of the prince of martyrs Hazrat Imam Husain (Razi Allah Taala anho)

all i can say, is that i hope sense will prevail - on all sides. too much blood has already been shed.

 

[barney]

Muslims are already under attack from America and Britain, we are already facing massive death and destruction as a result of their wanton invasions of our countries. )

Did we just invade Sudan?
Or are you talking about the coalition liberation of Iraq where our troops are dying to prevent Muslims from slaughtering each other?

If by some chance we started carpet-bombing Baghdad and causing massive death and destruction, then my apologies for missing that. Otherwise you might like to start supporting the ceasaccion of Violence in that country so that the people can live without fear.
Or do you think that the Suicide bombers blowing hundreds of people to bits every day are wearing British Helmets?