America , we feel ur pain , do u feel ours ?

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/peace;




--LOL . when anti-abortion Christian groups carry attacks , what do they say ? They do this in the name of religion ; why media don't bash Jesus (p) or Bible for their action then ?

Thankfully, it has been several years since those horrendous events. But when they were occurring, YES, the media did often make mention that the individual(s) involved were Christians, usually fundamentalist Christians. It is a good comparison.

Because of the Crusaders , any media ever condemned Bible or Christians? Forget about national tragedy.....take examples of family problem. I wrote about this in other forum more than once....running out of patinece , so writing briefly.

Media never say that Christian women are beaten /murdered by their Christian husband in the west . But when it reports about the same problem , it's the Muslim women who are oppressed , it's because of Islam , all Muslim men are bad .....media give this kind of impressions.

Is it so hard to understand the double standard of the media ? Did u read the joke i re-posted here ?

Yes, I have even heard reports condemning the Bible, especially Old Testament passage, but some have even criticized the words of Jesus. There is a recent murder here of a man by his wife. A great deal was made of him being a pastor and of the pastor's wife who committed murder.

Also, not all crimes committed by Muslims make headlines anymore than all crimes commited by Christians do. What happens is when the press can sensationalize something then it makes headlines. Two things that make it easy for the press to do that: (1) if the person at the center of the story can be lifted up as some sort of public figure -- be they politician, school teacher, religious leader, or have celebrity status. (2) The other is if one commits a crime that seems to be ironic -- the Coke salesman who commits a crime against Pepsi, a race car driver that dies in a simple highway accident, the millionaire who goes bankrupt, or the individual who commits violence in the name of a religion of peace.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Robert Fisk has been thoroughly proven to be a fraud.

when & how ?

Sorry but American troops don't go in mosques unless invited due to winning "hearts and minds"

--i m not talking about all mosques. The Imam Ali (ra ) mosque/shrine which is the holiest mosque in Iraq ...that was under control of US.

I would say trying to kill an ex-president is provocation.

---u mean the claim Jr. Bush made about his dad......the allegation was against Iraq or Iran ??....i don't remember now.

Also Iraqs past actions were enough to worry the US

---are u serious ? America is a great threat to the world peace / humanity. So , other countries have rigths to attack USA & kill thousands & thousands of US civilians including kids because of Bush ?

I can't believe it.

[/QUOTE]

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

  Yes, I have even heard reports condemning the Bible, especially Old Testament passage,

--uhhh , how i missed that ? While reading Bible , i was extremly shocked 'cause i had no idea that Bible (OT ) has so many verses on war , murder , polygamy. The ideas i got from media that only Quran has these verses.

..... some have even criticized the words of Jesus.

--- that's interesting . Which words ? Who criticised ?

There is a recent murder here of a man by his wife. A great deal was made of him being a pastor and of the pastor's wife who committed murder.

--- mainstream electronic media say CNN , BBC , Skynews & news agencies AP, Ruetors .....they relate the murder with Chrisitanity , Bible ?

Take another example. I heard few lines of Dr. Zakir Naik 2/3 days back. He was responding a question on dress code of Muslim Women.


Sania Mirza , famous Tennis star of India is facing criticism from Muslim groups for her mini-dress she wears while playing. Zakir's answer was like that , if u ask the Pope about the dress of Serena (? ) Williams , he will say that no , it's haram ( prohibited ) for any Chrisitan lady to wear this kind of dress.

Media don't say what other religions have Do's & Don'ts about women , they only highlight Islam & thus give an impression that only Islam has restriction on women ; so Islam is anti-women etc.

about news treatment of media , anther example comes in to mind. 4/5 years back , when the king of Nepal was murdered & the whole family members were also killed , CNN ( or was it BBC ? ) did not make it a headline.

They showed at least 10-15 minutes on a suicide attck in Israel. I can understand , it's a sesnatilve issue for Americans if Jews are killed by Palestine suicide bombers but after telling this as a 1st news , could not they tell the viewers about the tragic murder of the Royal family ? A whole Royal family is gone overnight .....it is a news after 10-15 minutes.

I was surprised.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Muslims Believe US Targets Islam: Poll

NEW YORK — The overwhelming majority of peoples in four leading Muslim countries believe that the US is taking its global war on terror as a guise to undermine Islam and divide the Muslim world,

a poll by the Washington-based WorldPublicOpinion.org showed on Tuesday, April 24.



"While US leaders may frame the conflict as a war on terrorism, people in the Islamic world clearly perceive the US as being at war with Islam," Steven Kull, WPO editor, said in a statement carried by Reuters.



The survey, conducted by WPO and Maryland University, was based on face-to-face interviews of between 1,000 and 1,200 people from December to February.



It showed that more than 70 percent of Egyptians, Moroccans, Indonesians and Pakistanis believe the US is trying to weaken and divide the Islamic world.


More than 40 percent thought that was the primary goal of the war on terror, while only 12 percent thought America's aim was to protect itself from future attacks.

Most Egyptians, Indonesians and Moroccans said establishing a Palestinian state was not a US goal.

Sweeping majorities in the four countries — including 89 percent in Egypt and 63 percent in Morocco — believe the US was controlling most or nearly all of what happens in today's world.

More than half of those polled believed the US was trying to spread Christianity, while nearly 60 percent thought one of its goals was to control oil resources.

A poll for the Arab American Institute last year showed that Arab attitudes toward the US grew increasingly negative after the Iraq war.

A January poll for the BBC showed that an overwhelming majority in 25 countries had negative views of US foreign policies.


..The poll also found uncertainty about whether Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

On those responsible for the grisly attacks, which killed 3,000 people, the most common answer was "don't know."

A poll by the respectable British think-tank Chatham House showed in September that Al-Qaeda was losing sympathy in the broad Muslim world over discomfort about the association of Islam with violence and the indiscriminate civilian killings.

It noted, however, that the Iraq war has given a momentum to Al-Qaeda's recruitment and fundraising

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...55928234&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/peace;

  Yes, I have even heard reports condemning the Bible, especially Old Testament passage,

--uhhh , how i missed that ? While reading Bible , i was extremly shocked 'cause i had no idea that Bible (OT ) has so many verses on war , murder , polygamy. The ideas i got from media that only Quran has these verses.






--- that's interesting . Which words ? Who criticised ?

It's is probably because I live here in the USA and am a Christian that I both here it more and am more sensitive to it than perhaps others on this forum might be. I am sorry, I can't be specific with the quotes on times, places, who said exactly what, and in what context. And I'm not saying that Christianity gets attacked by the media in the same way that it has appeard that Islam might feel attacked in recent years. But there really are disparaging remarks with respect to Christianity also; I will try to remember to report them to you as I hear them in the future.

--- mainstream electronic media say CNN , BBC , Skynews & news agencies AP, Ruetors .....they relate the murder with Chrisitanity , Bible ?

In the case of the pastor's wife who murdered her husband, they did not connect the murder to the Bible, they simply sensationalized it as the pastor's wife who broke the commandment "thou shalt not murder".

Take another example. I heard few lines of Dr. Zakir Naik 2/3 days back. He was responding a question on dress code of Muslim Women.


Sania Mirza , famous Tennis star of India is facing criticism from Muslim groups for her mini-dress she wears while playing. Zakir's answer was like that , if u ask the Pope about the dress of Serena (? ) Williams , he will say that no , it's haram ( prohibited ) for any Chrisitan lady to wear this kind of dress.

Media don't say what other religions have Do's & Don'ts about women , they only highlight Islam & thus give an impression that only Islam has restriction on women ; so Islam is anti-women etc.

I don't think the Pope would say anything about Serena Williams' dress. I don't think that Zakir was correct in saying that it is haram for a Christian lady to wear the kind of dress that she does. There are some groups within Christianity that would say they are inappropriate and have other problems with them, but I don't know of that any would say they are prohibited. There aren't really that many do's and don'ts directed specifically at women in Christianity, but the media does report on those that do exist. The Catholic church is often chastised for its stance on birth control, the Fundamentalist Mormons (who are not Christian) for their views with regard to plural marriage, and other groups when their patterns of behavior fall outside of the mainstream of popular culture.

about news treatment of media , anther example comes in to mind. 4/5 years back , when the king of Nepal was murdered & the whole family members were also killed , CNN ( or was it BBC ? ) did not make it a headline.

They showed at least 10-15 minutes on a suicide attck in Israel. I can understand , it's a sesnatilve issue for Americans if Jews are killed by Palestine suicide bombers but after telling this as a 1st news , could not they tell the viewers about the tragic murder of the Royal family ? A whole Royal family is gone overnight .....it is a news after 10-15 minutes.

I was surprised.

The event was 6 years ago, June 2001. I don't get BBC programming, so for me to remember it, it must have been covered on CNN or some other US media outlet. Whether it headlined or not, I certainly don't claim to remember. However, and truly I don't say this to make it any less terrible, because it was both on a national and even more on a personal level, but Nepal seems a long way from here. If I remember right you live in Pakistan don't you? Relatively speaking, much more nearby. Ashamedly, the NBA play-offs would probably be of more interest to most Americans, and that is who the media is pandering to when they decide what does and doesn't lead or even get reported in the day's news. You could develop a whole thread around the topic of problems associated with the American media, and I would probably agree with you on 90% of them. Of course, it isn't just the media at fault, the NBA play-offs or nearly any sports would be of more interest to most Americans than virtually any type of world news, that's just how narcissistic we are.

 

[Cognescenti]

Salaam/peace;

Why do you even bother with the salutation? From the tone of your comments it is clearly rote and has no real meaning.

--LOL . when anti-abortion Christian groups carry attacks , what do they say ? They do this in the name of religion ; why media don't bash Jesus (p) or Bible for their action then ?

I am sorry for my bluntness but you really have no idea what you are talking about. Do you ever read the US media? To begin with, I'm not really sure what you mean by a "Christian group" carrying out an attack, but when some nutcase murders an abortion doctor (I honestly can't remember when the last one was), the US media is all over any organization remotely affiliated with the guy. In general, mainstream US media organizations are run and populated by strongly pro-choice types

Because of the Crusaders , any media ever condemned Bible or Christians? Forget about national tragedy.....take examples of family problem. I wrote about this in other forum more than once....running out of patinece , so writing briefly.

Again, you are woefully misinformed. The mistakes and crimes of the Crusaders are widely commented on in Western literature and it is universally portrayed as an excess in history classes. You can hardly expect newspapapers or TV journalists to comment on it as it was many, many centuries ago.. Good grief! Get over it! Shake out the cobwebs of insularity and let the light in woman! It is your life to live but if you persist with this almost supernatural notion that all bad things are willfully perpetrated upon you by others, you will never achieve your goals.

Running out of gas....the futility of effort..I am realizing....

 

[Hashim_507]

Interesting article, its true question.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Why do you even bother with the salutation? From the tone of your comments it is clearly rote and has no real meaning.

Cognescenti,

While you may be spot on with regard to your other comments on Muslim Woman's post, my personal experience with her is that she is indeed sincere with regard to wishing and extending peace to all on these boards. Also, doing so is a sign that she holds those of us she is addressing with a certain degree of esteem and honor, it is of course influenced by custom and has become ritualized, but one should not infer from that fact that has become something done without meaning.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Why seek pity from hose who oppress?

Why seek forgiveness from those who blame?

Oh muslims? Is your hand tied?
Are your hearts collared?

Speak the words but the action is never done.

Ask for pity ,beg for hope,ask for an explanation..all the while muslim die..

They lie continously but what do western Muslim do?
Silence.....

Hearts are collared
bones are tied
Their blood spill
You cry out
Their pain shatter
your silence is deafening
Whose pain,
Whose voice.
Those who take up arms are shunned,
and those who surrender are muslim.
Those whom are tortured into submission are embraced
While those who die fighting are shunned.

 

[MTAFFI]

so what is this thread about again????? Some Muslims feel the pain of america, but yet feel an injustice that America apparently doesnt give as much coverage to them? Does anyone want to tell me the purpose of this thread, because I asked earlier and got no response...

 

[King Solomon]

Salaam/peace;




--LOL . when anti-abortion Christian groups carry attacks , what do they say ? They do this in the name of religion ; why media don't bash Jesus (p) or Bible for their action then ?

Because of the Crusaders , any media ever condemned Bible or Christians? Forget about national tragedy.....take examples of family problem. I wrote about this in other forum more than once....running out of patinece , so writing briefly.

Media never say that Christian women are beaten /murdered by their Christian husband in the west . But when it reports about the same problem , it's the Muslim women who are oppressed , it's because of Islam , all Muslim men are bad .....media give this kind of impressions.

Is it so hard to understand the double standard of the media ? Did u read the joke i re-posted here ?

One name. David Koresch. The media went on and on about this guy being a christian nutter. Do you think Jesus camp was a psitive movie? Trust me here fanatical christians are not shown in a possitive light. Just ask your average American what they think of Pat Robertson.

 

[Cognescenti]

Pat Robertson is entertainment for the US media. It confirms, in their minds, that all Christians are intolerant kooks. Non Americans often fail to understand that the media here is almost scrupulously secular...often holding anti-religion viewpoints and regarding people of faith as mere bumpkins from some inbred valley in the Appalachians.

Of course, he is partly to blame for their view of him, because he does make some comments which are frankly nutty.

Many posters here on this board imagine that Robertson has some Svengali-like power over US policy.

 

[tomtomsmom]

I must be really behind in the times cause I have no idea who that guy is!

 

[Muezzin]

Pat Robertson is entertainment for the US media. It confirms, in their minds, that all Christians are intolerant kooks. Non Americans often fail to understand that the media here is almost scrupulously secular...often holding anti-religion viewpoints and regarding people of faith as mere bumpkins from some inbred valley in the Appalachians.

Funny thing about secularism in America is that it was intended as a means to stop one religion becoming dominant over all others, not as a means to make people hate religion altogether.

But I'll save such rants for another topic.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Funny thing about secularism in America is that it was intended as a means to stop one religion becoming dominant over all others, not as a means to make people hate religion altogether.

But I'll save such rants for another topic.

I won't. You are exactly right. It was designed to work just as you said, but has produced a completely different result. In many ways, this is my pain as an American Christian, I imagine that Americans of every other religious stripe feel it as well.

Muslim Woman, I know it wasn't what you meant when you titled this thread, "America, we feel your pain...", but do you understand that the pain of religious intolerance in the form of mockery, false accusation, and stereotyping is indeed something that ALL Americans who express any religious faith (not just Muslim Americans) feel?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

so what is this thread about again?????

pl. read the 1st post. I accidently post the reply there & deleted the original post mg:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

I must be really behind in the times cause I have no idea who that guy is!

tomtom must keep u very busy

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

... But there really are disparaging remarks with respect to Christianity also; I will try to remember to report them to you as I hear them in the future..

--thank u :statisfie


i heard that there is a blasphemy law in the west that forbids people to condemn Jesus (p) in the media ....is that true ?

I don't think the Pope would say anything about Serena Williams' dress.

--why ? If Catholics nuns need to cover themselves from head to toe , then how other Christian women can be allowed to wear dress like Serena ?

Christianity that would say they are inappropriate and have other problems with them, but I don't know of that any would say they are prohibited.

--- may be these lines are in Cor ( ?)..... chapter , women must not show her beauty ........, must not show ornaments etc . What's the explanation of these verses ?


These verses look so similar with Quranic verse on women . But people won't be able to know from media that Bible has some restrictions on women.

...........Fundamentalist Mormons (who are not Christian) for their views with regard to plural marriage,

--- have u ever heard on CNN / other electronic or read in print media that Bible allows polygamy ?

If I remember right you live in Pakistan don't you?

--nope

i think , Muslim Sis is from there. But i don't live far away from Pakistan , u may take another guess , if u want

about relating religion with crime/actions by media , another example is : when media tells about any non-Muslim group fighting for freedom/seperate state , they are lebelled as freedom fighters but if Muslims are fighting for freedom , they are extremists/separists etc. I have noticed it seveal times

 

[Joe98]

If Catholics nuns need to cover themselves from head to toe , then how other Christian women can be allowed to wear dress like Serena ?

For a start there is no such requirement. Each order of nuns wears a different “uniform”. Some orders cover themselves more than others.

And Catholic women who work for an airline wear a different uniform again.

i heard that there is a blasphemy law in the west that forbids people to condemn Jesus (p) in the media ....is that true ?

Blasphemy is a religious problem not a secular problem.

There are no seculare laws or punishments against blasphemy.

There are religious laws and punishments against blasphemy. The punishment is
Dis-communication from the church. There are no physical punishments.

 

[Cognescenti]

...
about relating religion with crime/actions by media , another example is : when media tells about any non-Muslim group fighting for freedom/seperate state , they are lebelled as freedom fighters but if Muslims are fighting for freedom , they are extremists/separists etc. I have noticed it seveal times

That is not true. The "Tamil Tigers" in Sri Lanka are usually referred to as "Tamil Separatists"

ETA...the Basque "separatist" organization in Spain, is labeled (with good reason) a "terrorist" organization.

The Eritreans were called "rebels"

The Marxist FMLA in Colombia are often called terrorists