Who am I to Allah and Jesus?

[Redeemed]

no, i am irritated because you do nothing but preach.
i have a low tolerance for preaching. on an islamic site, i expect islamic preaching, so i accept that. if i was interested in christian preaching, why wouldn't i go to a christian forum? why would you come to an islamic forum strictly in order to try to convert muslims? don't you think they could find out about christianity easily enough on other sites?
how do you know that i do not believe in allah?

I didn't say you didn't believe in Allah. It is written, "The devils believe in God; they fear and Tremble" too. Oh long will you halt between two opinions if you believe in God serve Him. Your having a low tolerance for preaching is not my problem. I am to obey and submit to God not man.

 

[Redeemed]

Your views are appreciated.


I do not agree with his interpretation of that particular psalm. but that is of no real concern as I do not view the source for the psalm to be valid and that we really do not know if it was a true revelation or a fabrication.

Hold on here. You mean to tell me you don't believe the Psalms are valid or you don't believe the part about kissing the son as being the Son or is it both? I thought it was one of your first prayers to confess that you would obey the books which include the Psalms.
PS. Remember, that Jesus didn't come to bring peace; He came to divide mother against daughter fathers against sons. He said a man's foes shall be they of his own house.
I have been accused of so many things, and I despise the stigma and shame that has been associated with me on this forum. It is written, that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church of which I am a part of, and the violent take by force. I love the Almighty, and I am full of zeal for the things of God, and I want the best for everyone on this forum even if you consider me the enemy.

 

[Redeemed]

I would never come into your home and speak against your religion, as you seem to have implied I would. No one lives in or on this public forum. If I come across as preaching, just preach back. I believe that the word of God will not return void. If I get accused for sharing Scripture, it makes me think I am on to something, and it needs to be finished.

 

[Redeemed]

p1:the grass is green

p2:the grass is red

p1:clearly the grass is green. i know because i am see it.

p2: i am looking at the same grass and it is red.

p1: i know i am correct. you must be color blind!

p2:it is you who are colorblind. the grass is red.

The grass is green on Earth
and red on Mars

 

[Malaikah]

The grass has no colour- it is only green because our eyes see it that way.:rollseyes

 

[MustafaMc]

I thought it was one of your first prayers to confess that you would obey the books which include the Psalms.

You are badly mistaken here. There are certain fundamental beliefs in Islam - one of which is the Books of Allah, but we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 2:177 Righteousness is not whether you turn your face towards East or West; but the righteousness is to believe in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Books and the Prophets, and to spend wealth out of love for Him on relatives, orphans, helpless, needy travellers, those who ask for and on the redemption of captives; and to establish Salah (prayers), to pay Zakah (alms), to fulfill promises when made, to be steadfast in distress, in adversity, and at the time of war. These people are the truthful and these are the pious.

To define what those books are....

Quran 3:84 O Prophet, say: "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma`il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants; and in that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb; we do not discriminate any one of them, and to Allah do we submit in Islam."

We believe that the Books revealed to Prophets Moses, David, and Jesus (pbut) have been changed and are no longer valid sources of divine revelation and NO we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 3:78 There are some among them who twist their tongues pretending a quote from their Holy Book; so that you may think that what they read is a part of the Book, whereas, in fact it is not a part of the Book. They also assert, "It is from Allah" whereas, in fact it is not from Allah. Thus they deliberately ascribe a lie to Allah.

Quran 3:187 When Allah made the covenant with those who were given the Book, they were asked to spread the teachings of the Book to mankind and not to conceal them; but they cast it behind their backs and sold them for a petty price. What a bad bargain they made!

Regarding my opinion of those engaged in proselytizing Muslims...

Quran 4:44-45 Have you not considered the case of those to whom a portion of the Book was given? They purchased error for themselves and wish to see you lose the Right Way. Allah knows your enemies very well. Sufficient is Allah to protect you, and Sufficient is Allah to help you.

Quoting you from earlier, So I will pray now: Oh Almighty God I beg you to reveal the truth about the prophet ??? Jesus to us clearly so that we can see the vision clearly and run with it. I come against the spiritual wickedness in high places and bind every thought and imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. I even do this through Jesus who leads us to the Lord of Lights and to the Almighty who is our creator who made heaven and earth. I say the Lord rebuke you Satan and your demon helpers because you are a liar and the Father of it. You can go to hell where you came from. Almighty God show yourself strong in the midst of this forum for this battle is not mine. This battle is yours and you are full of wisdom and mercy. Be exalted OH God above the heavens and let your glory be over all the earth and on this forum tonight.
Amen

Are you sure this was not a prayer by Pope Urban II in 1095 before the 1st Crusade?

 

[Redeemed]

The grass has no colour- it is only green because our eyes see it that way.:rollseyes

Grass is green because it is envious of trees which are much taller and don't get stepped on like grass does. Trees don't get mowed every week in the summertime and sprayed with Weed-be-gone. No, not really I think it is beacause it is filled with chlorophyll not cholroform. If God so clothes the grass which is here today and gone tomorrow, think of how much He cares for us.

 

[Redeemed]

You are badly mistaken here. There are certain fundamental beliefs in Islam - one of which is the Books of Allah, but we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 2:177 Righteousness is not whether you turn your face towards East or West; but the righteousness is to believe in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Books and the Prophets, and to spend wealth out of love for Him on relatives, orphans, helpless, needy travellers, those who ask for and on the redemption of captives; and to establish Salah (prayers), to pay Zakah (alms), to fulfill promises when made, to be steadfast in distress, in adversity, and at the time of war. These people are the truthful and these are the pious.

To define what those books are....

Quran 3:84 O Prophet, say: "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma`il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants; and in that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb; we do not discriminate any one of them, and to Allah do we submit in Islam."

We believe that the Books revealed to Prophets Moses, David, and Jesus (pbut) have been changed and are no longer valid sources of divine revelation and NO we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 3:78 There are some among them who twist their tongues pretending a quote from their Holy Book; so that you may think that what they read is a part of the Book, whereas, in fact it is not a part of the Book. They also assert, "It is from Allah" whereas, in fact it is not from Allah. Thus they deliberately ascribe a lie to Allah.

Quran 3:187 When Allah made the covenant with those who were given the Book, they were asked to spread the teachings of the Book to mankind and not to conceal them; but they cast it behind their backs and sold them for a petty price. What a bad bargain they made!

Regarding my opinion of those engaged in proselytizing Muslims...

Quran 4:44-45 Have you not considered the case of those to whom a portion of the Book was given? They purchased error for themselves and wish to see you lose the Right Way. Allah knows your enemies very well. Sufficient is Allah to protect you, and Sufficient is Allah to help you.

Quoting you from earlier, So I will pray now: Oh Almighty God I beg you to reveal the truth about the prophet ??? Jesus to us clearly so that we can see the vision clearly and run with it. I come against the spiritual wickedness in high places and bind every thought and imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. I even do this through Jesus who leads us to the Lord of Lights and to the Almighty who is our creator who made heaven and earth. I say the Lord rebuke you Satan and your demon helpers because you are a liar and the Father of it. You can go to hell where you came from. Almighty God show yourself strong in the midst of this forum for this battle is not mine. This battle is yours and you are full of wisdom and mercy. Be exalted OH God above the heavens and let your glory be over all the earth and on this forum tonight.
Amen

Are you sure this was not a prayer by Pope Urban II in 1095 before the 1st Crusade?

I am talking about spiritual battles. Christians have to deal with that!

 

[Woodrow]

Hold on here. You mean to tell me you don't believe the Psalms are valid or you don't believe the part about kissing the son as being the Son or is it both? I thought it was one of your first prayers to confess that you would obey the books which include the Psalms.
PS. Remember, that Jesus didn't come to bring peace; He came to divide mother against daughter fathers against sons. He said a man's foes shall be they of his own house.
I have been accused of so many things, and I despise the stigma and shame that has been associated with me on this forum. It is written, that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church of which I am a part of, and the violent take by force. I love the Almighty, and I am full of zeal for the things of God, and I want the best for everyone on this forum even if you consider me the enemy.

The Zaboor is the original Psalms. The Book in the Bible called Psalms is a corrupted mistranslated version of the Zaboor. That is why we can not consider it to be true. Granted some parts may still have some truth remaining, but it is not possible to separate out that which is true and that which has been corrupted.

You have not been stigmatized. It is just that you are spreading falsehoods and blaspheming both Allah(swt) and Prophet Isa(as).


We all pray that you will see the errors and sin you are comitting and that you will stop spreading the falsehoods and come home to the truth. The door is open for you, but nobdy is going to push you into the door. You have to enter of your own free will and only when you have the knowledge and understanding to know it is the true path.

You came here seeking to see the path we follow. You have stated you love Allah(swt) and Isa(as) We have no doubt about that. But, you can not make your own path if you desire to follow the path Allah(swt) has shown us.

 

[NoName55]

Grass is green because it is envious of trees which are much taller and don't get stepped on like grass does. Trees don't get mowed every week in the summertime and sprayed with Weed-be-gone. No, not really I think it is beacause it is filled with chlorophyll not cholroform. If God so clothes the grass which is here today and gone tomorrow, think of how much He cares for us.

do you ever get an original idea or thought?

pinching from other's essays and from mistranslations from Bibles and blending them, making them look as you are saying it or God is saying it thru you is a bad idea.

when paraphrasing anything from anyone you should say so or you end up looking like a liar or delusional person.

 

[aadil77]

Its up to you what you want to believe, but you can't come to an islamic forum preaching beleifs that that we will never believe.

You worship Jesus as if he's a god, but he himself will tell you on the Day that he was simply a prophet and not supposed to be worshiped.

Your corrupted beliefs have lead you too far astray and thats why you will struggle to accept the truth.

Your Bible and its 'teachings' are inaccurate and have changed to become false.

Allah told us that the Qur'an and its teachings will never change. This is why no one can produce a verse anything like those of the Quran's. Our Quran has been memorised and recorded by plenty of muslims thats why it words will never change, it is the true and final book of God.

If you had any intention of finding the truth, you would have just picked up a Quran with english translation or asked god to 'guide' you and Allah would have guided you. But you have become corrupted by false beleifs and are too ignorant to even try.

May Allah guide you

 

[Redeemed]

do you ever get an original idea or thought?

pinching from other's essays and from mistranslations from Bibles and blending them, making them look as you are saying it or God is saying it thru you is a bad idea.

When paraphrasing anything from anyone you should say so or you end up looking like a liar or delusional person.

Are you referring to the grass statement or the Bible verse mixed with my words? I don't know who said this, this might be original, but the grass is greener on the other side. What are you talking about specifically and why are you making a big deal out the funny grass story or the encouraging word?

 

[Redeemed]

Its up to you what you want to believe, but you can't come to an islamic forum preaching beleifs that that we will never believe. I don't think it is up to me. I can try to believe that the world is flat but no matter how hare I try I can't believe that. So what I believe isnot up to me. I is what I see and hear as truth that causes faith to arise in my soul and the Bible does that for me.

You worship Jesus as if he's a god, but he himself will tell you on the Day that he was simply a prophet and not supposed to be worshiped. Why can't He tell me now? He is not dead!

Your corrupted beliefs have lead you too far astray and thats why you will struggle to accept the truth. He is the one who said "No man comes to the Father but by me." I know that you don't associate Father with Allah because you believe contrary to what Jesus said that He is not God's Son

Your Bible and its 'teachings' are inaccurate and have changed to become false. Not to me.

Allah told us that the Qur'an and its teachings will never change. This is why no one can produce a verse anything like those of the Quran's. Our Quran has been memorised and recorded by plenty of muslims thats why it words will never change, it is the true and final book of God. Why can't I see this? I do see it in the Bible.

If you had any intention of finding the truth, you would have just picked up a Quran with english translation or asked god to 'guide' you and Allah would have guided you. But you have become corrupted by false beleifs and are too ignorant to even try. Who are you to judge me?

May Allah guide you

Even though I am a Christian, I still pray that God delivers me from deception because the human heart is desperately wicked who can know it.
Peace

 

[Woodrow]

Even though I am a Christian, I still pray that God delivers me from deception because the human heart is desperately wicked who can know it.
Peace

I believe you do pray for God(swt) to deliver you from deception and that you are now on the path to be freed from it. You seem to be very close and are trying to cast aside the last few ropes that are keeping you emotionally bound to your errors.

Self pride is a difficult think to set aside. It takes much for a human to accept that he has been misguided.

But, you are now on the steps for rising above error and to accept the truth.

 

[Redeemed]

I believe you do pray for God(swt) to deliver you from deception and that you are now on the path to be freed from it. You seem to be very close and are trying to cast aside the last few ropes that are keeping you emotionally bound to your errors.

Self pride is a difficult think to set aside. It takes much for a human to accept that he has been misguided.

But, you are now on the steps for rising above error and to accept the truth.

I agree with you about self-pride, but about my being very close to seeing that Islam is for me is about as far as east is from west, and never the twain shall meet. But this I am convinced of if we are both sincerely seeking God, one of us will come out from among them. Ironically, the things you say of me are what I believe about you.
Even though I am a Christian, I will continue to pray that God delivers me from deception because the human heart is desperately wicked who can know it? The word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edge sword. It is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart; and it is piercing even to the dividing of the soul and spirit. I pray that God creates a clean heart and a right spirit in me.

 

[Woodrow]

I agree with you about self-pride, but about my being very close to seeing that Islam is for me is about as far as east is from west, and never the twain shall meet. But this I am convinced of if we are both sincerely seeking God, one of us will come out from among them. Ironically, the things you say of me are what I believe about you.
Even though I am a Christian, I will continue to pray that God delivers me from deception because the human heart is desperately wicked who can know it? The word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edge sword. It is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart; and it is piercing even to the dividing of the soul and spirit. I pray that God creates a clean heart and a right spirit in me.

I believe your intentions are admirable. I will be praying that you will become a true follower of Isa(as) and come to worship just one God(as)

 

[Redeemed]

Its up to you what you want to believe, but you can't come to an islamic forum preaching beleifs that that we will never believe.

You worship Jesus as if he's a god, but he himself will tell you on the Day that he was simply a prophet and not supposed to be worshiped.

Your corrupted beliefs have lead you too far astray and thats why you will struggle to accept the truth.

Your Bible and its 'teachings' are inaccurate and have changed to become false.

Allah told us that the Qur'an and its teachings will never change. This is why no one can produce a verse anything like those of the Quran's. Our Quran has been memorised and recorded by plenty of muslims thats why it words will never change, it is the true and final book of God.

If you had any intention of finding the truth, you would have just picked up a Quran with english translation or asked god to 'guide' you and Allah would have guided you. But you have become corrupted by false beleifs and are too ignorant to even try.

May Allah guide you

I know you're sincere, this won't get you anywhere. You need to share what God shows you. I have just gotten a Qur'an a few days ago. And I do pray about what the Lord wants me to see in it i think I did, well I will make sure I do that, but as things stand, I would say the same to you about you beliefs that you say about me. I believe you're sincere, but sincerely wrong.

 

[Redeemed]

The Zaboor is the original Psalms. The Book in the Bible called Psalms is a corrupted mistranslated version of the Zaboor. That is why we can not consider it to be true. Granted some parts may still have some truth remaining, but it is not possible to separate out that which is true and that which has been corrupted.

You have not been stigmatized. It is just that you are spreading falsehoods and blaspheming both Allah(swt) and Prophet Isa(as).


We all pray that you will see the errors and sin you are comitting and that you will stop spreading the falsehoods and come home to the truth. The door is open for you, but nobdy is going to push you into the door. You have to enter of your own free will and only when you have the knowledge and understanding to know it is the true path.

You came here seeking to see the path we follow. You have stated you love Allah(swt) and Isa(as) We have no doubt about that. But, you can not make your own path if you desire to follow the path Allah(swt) has shown us.

It is not my path to Allah it is my faith in the work of Christ on the cross of calvary. I believe that Jesus died in my place. He died the death I deserved. He took my punishment. All my sin went on him, and His righteousness came on me. That is the only way or reason and terms that God will accept me. It was by the shedding of His blood I am now set free from the law of sin and death. I am free. I was lost and now I am found. I was blind and now I see. I do not care to be put back in bondage again. I am now forgetting as the apostle Paul said the things that are behind and pressing on to the high calling in Christ Jesus who is the only one that can lead me to the Father. Who is God to me.

 

[Woodrow]

It is not my path to Allah it is my faith in the work of Christ on the cross of calvary. I believe that Jesus died in my place. He died the death I deserved. He took my punishment. All my sin went on him, and His righteousness came on me. That is the only way or reason and terms that God will accept me. It was by the shedding of His blood I am now set free from the law of sin and death. I am free. I was lost and now I am found. I was blind and now I see. I do not care to be put back in bondage again. I am now forgetting as the apostle Paul said the things that are behind and pressing on to the high calling in Christ Jesus who is the only one that can lead me to the Father. Who is God to me.

The choice is yours and yours alone. I respect your right to follow the path of your choosing. Please respect our right to live the truth.

Too many come here with the mistaken Idea that we have not been exposed to Christianity. Many of us here had been Christians and we have woken up and saw the error of our ways.

A large number of the members are also members on Christian forums. As Muslims we do accept our faith with a full understanding of why we accept it and know it is the Truth.

Your words here are words that have been investigated deeply by nearly every Muslim and we can not find any truth in them. we know that they are words that lead to eternal Hellfire.

 

[Redeemed]

You are badly mistaken here. There are certain fundamental beliefs in Islam - one of which is the Books of Allah, but we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 2:177 Righteousness is not whether you turn your face towards East or West; but the righteousness is to believe in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Books and the Prophets, and to spend wealth out of love for Him on relatives, orphans, helpless, needy travellers, those who ask for and on the redemption of captives; and to establish Salah (prayers), to pay Zakah (alms), to fulfill promises when made, to be steadfast in distress, in adversity, and at the time of war. These people are the truthful and these are the pious.

To define what those books are....

Quran 3:84 O Prophet, say: "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma`il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants; and in that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb; we do not discriminate any one of them, and to Allah do we submit in Islam."

We believe that the Books revealed to Prophets Moses, David, and Jesus (pbut) have been changed and are no longer valid sources of divine revelation and NO we are not commanded to obey them.

Quran 3:78 There are some among them who twist their tongues pretending a quote from their Holy Book; so that you may think that what they read is a part of the Book, whereas, in fact it is not a part of the Book. They also assert, "It is from Allah" whereas, in fact it is not from Allah. Thus they deliberately ascribe a lie to Allah.

Quran 3:187 When Allah made the covenant with those who were given the Book, they were asked to spread the teachings of the Book to mankind and not to conceal them; but they cast it behind their backs and sold them for a petty price. What a bad bargain they made!

Regarding my opinion of those engaged in proselytizing Muslims...

Quran 4:44-45 Have you not considered the case of those to whom a portion of the Book was given? They purchased error for themselves and wish to see you lose the Right Way. Allah knows your enemies very well. Sufficient is Allah to protect you, and Sufficient is Allah to help you.

Quoting you from earlier, So I will pray now: Oh Almighty God I beg you to reveal the truth about the prophet ??? Jesus to us clearly so that we can see the vision clearly and run with it. I come against the spiritual wickedness in high places and bind every thought and imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. I even do this through Jesus who leads us to the Lord of Lights and to the Almighty who is our creator who made heaven and earth. I say the Lord rebuke you Satan and your demon helpers because you are a liar and the Father of it. You can go to hell where you came from. Almighty God show yourself strong in the midst of this forum for this battle is not mine. This battle is yours and you are full of wisdom and mercy. Be exalted OH God above the heavens and let your glory be over all the earth and on this forum tonight.
Amen

Are you sure this was not a prayer by Pope Urban II in 1095 before the 1st Crusade?

To us it makes no difference, which way we turn when we pray. We are free to pray anytime anywhere, and God hears us. I wouldn't want to restrict my pet much less my child from calling on me when anytime in need. If I can show that much love and concern, how much more loving and merciful is my God? We believe in God (Allah), but that is not enough the devils believe too.
We believe we are already living in the last days, which started with Jesus, but the last day is when Jesus returns. We believe also in the existence of angels. We believe the Books of the Bible and the messages of the Prophets. We believe in providing for our own families (relatives) orphans, helpless, needy travelers, and those who ask for and on freeing the captives. We believe in the power of prayer. We believe that it is important to keep our word because god does not delight in fools. But we do not put our faith in prophets, angels, any good works that we can do. We believe we are save by faith through grace and that is not of ourselves; it is a gift of God; otherwise, we would be able to boast and say I did. We believe that Jesus is born of a virgin and was sinless from birth till now. That is why He is much more important to us than any other prophet who lived.