Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

[vpb]

If I was on trail for blasphemy against the Koran, would you consent to my being hanged?

as far as I know there is no 'hanging' in Shariah Law.
please anyone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Redeemed]

yep , we are seeing it.

Where is Christianity growing so much? is it at the Central Mosque of Birmingham,UK where 20to25 ppl (non-muslims) a month revert to Islam??

have u ever been in USA? and see how parents , not even from different sects, but from different churches would have problems with their child, which church should the child go to, bc each church has it's own "idea" of Christianity. Even they go so far that they call each other (other church) as deviated.

if Bible was not altered through time, then what is the reason that Qur'an is sent?? that's why Qur'an is sent, bc Bible was altered through time, so Qur'an is sent to confirm the last previous books. It is ilogical to say that Qur'an says to believe in Bible or such things, bc it contradicts its purpose of sending of Qur'an from Allah swt.

Agreed and I wouldn't doubt or question you on that being a fact, but it is not in numbers that determine where God's annointing is. The Bible says that one shall put a thousand to flight and two ten thousand. Go figure!
Peace to you
PS the Bible is not altered

 

[vpb]

Agreed and I wouldn't doubt or question you on that being a fact, but it is not in numbers that determine where God's annointing is. The Bible says that one shall put a thousand to flight and two ten thousand. Go figure!
Peace to you

we were not talking wether the number signifies anything or not, we were talking about the fact of number of christians growing.

PS the Bible is not altered

did u mean Qur'an

 

[Redeemed]

we were not talking wether the number signifies anything or not, we were talking about the fact of number of christians growing.


did u mean Qur'an

No, I didn't mean the Koran, but I do also believe that it has not been distored as well. I just believe that the Bible and Jesus trump it all. I know we weren't talking about numbers, but I am now.

 

[Balthasar21]

Edit: please refrain from personal attacks, If you wish to sate the information is false, then please only do so by addressing the arguments raised.

 

[vpb]

No, I didn't mean the Koran, but I do also believe that it has not been distored as well. I just believe that the Bible and Jesus trump it all. I know we weren't talking about numbers, but I am now.

I see you haven't gone out of your world, to check about Bible in other places.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/

 

[Redeemed]

To whom it concerns, the reputation points on me are so few for how long I have been posting. How does one get points by saying very thing you want to hear or that doesn't step on toes or smash sacred cows?

 

[Redeemed]

we were not talking wether the number signifies anything or not, we were talking about the fact of number of christians growing.


did u mean Qur'an

I wasn't taking growth in number necessarily; I was talking in strength of the inner man that is conforming to the likeness of Jesus!

 

[Redeemed]

I see you haven't gone out of your world, to check about Bible in other places.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/

What are you taking about? If you are referring to the different translation, I know that is a fact, but none of the Bibles disagree about Jesus being God's Son and the only way for salvation!

 

[MuhammadRizan]

Salam.

as far as I know there is no 'hanging' in Shariah Law.
please anyone correct me if I am wrong.

there is no hangin' my brother.

Hanging, electric chair, poison are 'unbarbaric' type of prosecution in the modern age...christian prefered this of course..and they're a planning to tell God the reason why when they died..

 

[vpb]

there is no hangin' my brother.

Hanging, electric chair, poison are 'unbarbaric' type of prosecution in the modern age...christian prefered this of course..and they're a planning to tell God the reason why when they died..

thx bro for confirming my point.

actually, hanging is a bad death, cuz the person suffers till he dies. it is what we call in my country as "dying in vivo".

 

[جوري]

There are no ifs about the salvation presentations you have been receiving from us Christians. We all have our own unique style of sharing but no doubt you are well evangelized and our soul has been well delivered. If I was on trail for blasphemy against the Koran, would you consent to my being hanged? By the way, it sounds like you are saying anyone that posts here has a personality disorder. Since you were the first to notice this, you must be Okay; the rest of us are crazy.

As usual another post by your person that is non sequitur!..I have not expected more than the usual confabulation. I won't bother dwell on this much longer-- go pray to your God --the one named "Jesus" and buzz off, no Muslim here worships a man, thus no one is buying what you are selling...tata

 

[Redeemed]

As usual another post by your person that is non sequitur!..I have not expected more than the usual confabulation. I won't bother dwell on this much longer-- go pray to your God --the one named "Jesus" and buzz off, no Muslim here worships a man, thus no one is buying what you are selling...tata

I can tell you the major difference between us. I can have a brother's love for you but you cannot for me. I think it has to do with our belief system. By the way, where in the world to you get this vocabulary? Just be yourself. You don't have to prove anything. I wish I understood where you are coming from. You say these post last long cause I am crazy and need to increase on olanzapin to hear from God. If I post here cause I am crazy, what is your reason? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
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[جوري]

I can tell you the major difference between us.

I don't think you can tell an alif from kooz doora!

I can have a brother's love for you but you cannot for me.

I am not a brother.. so no you are wrong again on both ends!

I think it has to do with our belief system.

Again, I am not sure what you are trying to say here, or what I am supposed to infer?

By the way, where in the world to you get this vocabulary

is that a rhetorical question? where do you get yours?

Just be yourself.

I have news for you, I am being myself!

You don't have to prove anything.

I wasn't aware that I needed to prove anything?

I wish I understood where you are coming from.

difficult when you live in a bubble to know where anyone is coming from let alone little ole me!

You say these post last long cause I am crazy and need to increase on olanzapin to hear from God.

No I say if you do hear from God you need to increase your dose of olanzapine!

If I post here cause I am crazy, what is your reason? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
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It is an Islamic forum, I am a Muslim, I have interest in Islamic things, I enjoy being concerned of the affairs of Muslims... If I had it my way this would be a completely homogenous forum....I think it should be overtly obvious? If I had an interest in Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism or Zoroastrianism I'd join their forums or take a theology course. That is why I am here... your reasons by the way go beyond brotherly love or craziness which let's face it you have a dash of... No you are much more sinister ...it is petty, it is pathetic and no one is buying... You are just irritating... I will not tolerate insults to the messenger or to God. It is really as simple as all that!

 

[Redeemed]

I don't think you can tell an alif from kooz doora!


I am not a brother.. so no you are wrong again on both ends!


Again, I am not sure what you are trying to say here, or what I am supposed to infer?



is that a rhetorical question? where do you get yours?


I have news for you, I am being myself!


I wasn't aware that I needed to prove anything?



difficult when you live in a bubble to know where anyone is coming from let alone little ole me!



No I say if you do hear from God you need to increase your dose of olanzapine!


It is an Islamic forum, I am a Muslim, I have interest in Islamic things, I enjoy being concerned of the affairs of Muslims... If I had it my way this would be a completely homogenous forum....I think it should be overtly obvious? If I had an interest in Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism or Zoroastrianism I'd join their forums or take a theology course. That is why I am here... your reasons by the way go beyond brotherly love or craziness which let's face it you have a dash of... No you are much more sinister ...it is petty, it is pathetic and no one is buying... You are just irritating... I will not tolerate insults to the messenger or to God. It is really as simple as all that!

I know you are a sister. I said, I can have a brother's love for you. You know what I mean - stop using semantics. You cannot have a sister's love for me. :? My God is Love, and if love doesn't come out of my life, I am a liar if I say I love God, because God loves you. I know that. Do you? I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just wanting to have a pure love for you with no guile that comes from God.:-[ I am not insulting your prophet by saying I don't buy his teachings!
peace

 

[جوري]

I know you are a sister.

I am not your sister..

I said, I can have a brother's love for you.

keep your love for the needy!

You know what I mean -

No I am afraid I don't!

stop using semantics.

Stop confabulating!

You cannot have a sister's love for me. :?

No! I can't!

My God is Love,

your God is eros now?

and if love doesn't come out of my life,

that sounds serious...

I am a liar if I say I love God,

lol.. thank you.. I knew you were bound to have a Freudian slip ;D you seem confused most of the time..

because God loves you.

Indeed I feel the love of Allah in this sura.. and here is its explanation..
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVTT3rBeIrs[/media]

IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:



1) CONSIDER the bright morning hours,



(2) and the night when it grows still and dark.*



* The expression "bright morning hours" apparently symbolizes the few and widely-spaced periods of happiness in human life, as contrasted with the much greater length of "the night when it grows still and dark", i.e., the extended periods of sorrow or suffering that, as a rule, overshadow man's existence in this world (cf. 90 : 4). The further implication is that, as sure as morning follows night, God's mercy is bound to lighten every suffering, either in this world or in the life to come - for God has "willed upon Himself the law of grace and mercy" (6:12 and 54).



(3) Thy Sustainer has not forsaken thee, nor does He scorn thee:*



*Sc., ''as the thoughtless might conclude in view of the suffering that He has willed thee to bear".



(4) for, indeed, the life to come will be better for thee than this earlier part [of thy life]!



(5) And, indeed, in time will thy Sustainer grant thee [what thy heart desires], and thou shalt be well-pleased.



(6) Has He not found thee an orphan, and given thee shelter?*



*Possibly an allusion to the fact that Muhammad was born a few months after his father's death, and that his mother died when he was only six years old. Apart from this, however, every human being is an "orphan" in one sense or another, inasmuch as everyone is "created in a lonely state" (cf. 6:94), and "will appear before Him on Resurrection Day in a lonely state" (19:95).



(7) And found thee lost on thy way, and guided thee?



(8) And found thee in want, and given thee sufficiency?



(9) Therefore, the orphan shalt thou never wrong,



(10) and him that seeks [thy] help shalt thou never chide,*



*The term sa'il denotes" literally, "one who asks", which signifies not only a "beggar" but anyone who asks for help in a difficult situation, whether physical or moral, or even for enlightenment.



(11) and of thy Sustainer's blessings shalt thou [ever] speak.*



*Sc., "rather than of thy suffering".

I know that.

you do?

Do you?

re-read sura and explanation provided above and we can have a discussion of it...

I am not trying to sell you anything.

then stop annoying everyone!

I am just wanting to have a pure love for you with no guile that comes from God.:-[

How sweet! :rollseyes

peace

same to you fellow!

 

[Grace Seeker]

I have watched Japanese Anime with better execution of detail than your Paul invented religion

Why do you call it a Paul-invented religion? No doubt Paul was influential in its spread. And he had issues with those who suggested that one had to be a Jew in order to be a Christian. But Paul didn't decide that issue, James and the apostles did. Don't you see that the very things that you object to where taught and preached by others before Paul even became a Christian.

 

[Grace Seeker]

We Christians have always been asked to prove it. Now, I think it is appropriate to ask you to prove it was "God Almighty" that spoke to him regarding the Bible being distorted.

It's in the Qur'an.

With respect, isn't the argument that God says in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is from God and the Bible is not from God a rather circular argument proving nothing.

 

[doorster]

Bible is/was from God but which is the correct Bible:

Chistian OT
or
Israeli Tenach
or
the Oral tradidition (Talmud)

 

[Grace Seeker]

LOLOLOLOLOL you must be one of those mail order minister . In my above post I show step by step verse by verse where the language came from now you and all those people who you name can't see where the language of the scriptures come from then ether your blind or you covering up the truth , meaning your out right lying about which language your bible was written in first and that was Aramic . And far as luke and the self appointed Paul , Is A deceiver

It seems that you simply wish to attack my personally. If you have given step by step, verse by verse where the langauge came from than you are right I am blind, because I don't see that you have address the issue of what langauge John was written it at all. You have made assertions, and if I fill in some of the gaps you may have made a case for what language was spoken, but that has zero to do with what language the Gospel of John was written in, the only thing under discussion between us. Which also makes me wonder what the purpose of your final comment with regard to Luke and Paul was for, though I guess I did mention them in the last post, so my mistake in distracting you from the question I was seeking you to inform me on, which is, why do you believe that John was written in Aramaic/Syriac rather than in Greek?