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Hi snakelegs, so what did you expect, I think, even 8% is exaggeration :D

i would think even 1% would be an exaggeration!
re: polls in general - i have to agree with noname. they're meaningless, but i guess they provide jobs.
 
i would think even 1% would be an exaggeration!
re: polls in general - i have to agree with noname. they're meaningless, but i guess they provide jobs.

Agreed. Pakistanis don't like the existing US Govt due to their policies.
 
Attack on Bhutto convoy kills 130

Ms Bhutto was rushed from the scene to her Karachi residence
At least 130 people were killed when two bombs exploded among crowds in Karachi celebrating the return of the former Pakistani PM Benazir Bhutto.

Ms Bhutto, who was travelling from the city's airport to a rally marking her homecoming after eight years in self-imposed exile, was not hurt.

The truck carrying her had its windows shattered and a door blown off.

The attacks on the motorcade happened despite a heavy security presence following threats from militant groups.

Witnesses described horrific scenes, with bodies and body parts littering the area. Children were among the dead.

Several Islamist groups, including pro-Taleban militants, had said they would attack Ms Bhutto on her return, after she promised to confront those operating in the northern tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, said members of the government and intelligence agencies who were going to lose power were behind the attack.

Ms Bhutto had earlier warned that if targeted, she would hold what she described as hidden authorities within the government as partly responsible.


Extremists will not be allowed to stop Pakistanis from selecting their representatives through an open and democratic process
Gordon Johndroe


Ms Bhutto heads the country's largest political force, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP).

She wants to contest parliamentary elections due to be held in January and she has been negotiating with President Pervez Musharraf over a possible power-sharing agreement.

The US has backed such a deal, amid concerns about the military's inability to defeat Islamist militants and Gen Musharraf's rising unpopularity.

Ms Bhutto has been prime minister twice. On both occasions, her government was prematurely dismissed by the president of the day under special powers.

She left Pakistan in April 1999, shortly before Gen Musharraf seized power in a coup - and two years after her husband was jailed and a series of corruption charges were brought against her. She denies the charges.

Gen Musharraf said the attack on Ms Bhutto's convoy was a "conspiracy against democracy".

"The president appealed to the nation and especially the people of Karachi to exercise patience and calm in this hour," said a statement by his office.

The United States also condemned the blasts.

"Extremists will not be allowed to stop Pakistanis from selecting their representatives through an open and democratic process," said National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

'Suicide bomber'

Victoria Schofield, a friend of Ms Bhutto who was also on the bus, said the former prime minister had been standing on top of the bus for six hours, but had just gone downstairs to work on a speech when the first explosion went off.

"We were sitting up on the top and suddenly there was this absolute flash of light and a blast," she told the BBC.


"I felt lots of really hot air coming and we all - there were about 15 of us on the top of the bus - we all literally went to the ground."

Ms Schofield said the first blast was relatively small but that it had had left people sitting on the left-hand side of the bus covered with blood.

She said the first explosion had come from a parked car which police had begun to investigate. Ms Schofield said a second, much larger explosion occurred two minutes later.

"There was blood all around and it was chaos - and we couldn't understand what was happening - we didn't know where to go, what to do," said Farzana Raja, a spokeswoman for the PPP.

Most of the dead were members of the PPP, although police vehicles took the main force of the blasts and more than 20 police officers are thought to have died. A cameraman for a local TV station was also killed.


KEY DATES
06 Oct: Presidential polls held
17 Oct: Supreme Court resumes hearing challenges to Musharraf candidacy
18 Oct: Benazir Bhutto's homecoming
15 Nov: Parliamentary term ends and general election must be held by mid-January

Flying into uncertainty

The chief of police in Karachi, Azhar Farooqi, said a preliminary investigation suggested the second blast had been caused by a suicide bomber.

"The first blast was probably a hand grenade and it did not cause much damage," he told the BBC.

After the blasts, a dazed Ms Bhutto was immediately rushed from the scene to her Karachi home.

Ms Bhutto flew in from Dubai earlier on Thursday, accompanied by about 100 PPP members.

At least 200,000 people turned out to greet her in what correspondents described as a carnival atmosphere, but the crowds slowed the progress of her convoy.

Ms Bhutto had been planning to make a speech at the tomb of Pakistan's founding father, Mohammed Ali Jinnah.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7051804.stm
 
As of late, it seams that the answer to everything in Pakistan is a Suicide Bomber.
 
The credit goes to puppet Afghan Govt for opposing sealing of pak-Afghan border to ensure mass infiltration into Pakistan. They are quite successful in implementation of their agenda.
 
The credit goes to puppet Afghan Govt for opposing sealing of pak-Afghan border to ensure mass infiltration into Pakistan. They are quite successful in implementation of their agenda.
I would expect you to justify Suicide Bombing. :(
I bet you think they are now in heaven. :giggling:
 
i'd like to ask the pakistanis here -
what do you think lies ahead for pakistan?
who would you support for president?
do you think there is any chance that supreme court will defy president musharraf and refuse to drop the corruption charges against BB?
do you think there will be martial law?
 
I would expect you to justify Suicide Bombing. :(
I bet you think they are now in heaven. :giggling:


In Islam, no school of jurisprudence permits suicide bombings against innocent civilians and non-combatants. About their future destination to either heaven or hell, Im in no capacity to comment :D

Heaven and hell are decided by the God Almighty alone :D
 
It seams like every day another Suicide Bomber strikes.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73201827-237C-4383-84D5-B9F58611285E.htm
Deadly blast near Pakistan army HQ
A suicide attack has killed at least seven people, including the bomber, less than a kilometre from Pervez Musharraf's army headquarters in Rawalpindi, police say.

Three policemen and three passers-by were among those killed, while 11 people were wounded in Tuesday's blast, Saud Aziz, the city police chief, said.
 
On a more positive point:
Pakistan fighters declare ceasefire
Armed supporters of a pro-Taliban cleric in troubled northwestern Pakistan have agreed to a ceasefire, a day after security forces backed by helicopter gunships targeted their hideouts.

An uneasy calm prevailed on Tuesday in the area, a day after the ceasefire which followed four days of fighting that left more than 100 people dead.




Swat, a valley close to Pakistan's lawless tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, has seen a surge in violence since Maulana Fazlullah, the cleric, launched an FM radio station and launched a Taliban-style Islamisation campaign.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9B00E9BF-1307-4BD1-BEDB-7D9F85E222FD.htm
 
It seams like every day another Suicide Bomber strikes.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73201827-237C-4383-84D5-B9F58611285E.htm
Deadly blast near Pakistan army HQ
A suicide attack has killed at least seven people, including the bomber, less than a kilometre from Pervez Musharraf's army headquarters in Rawalpindi, police say.

Three policemen and three passers-by were among those killed, while 11 people were wounded in Tuesday's blast, Saud Aziz, the city police chief, said.

Jeez, Pakistan is a warzone nowadays. When there be peace in future..
 
When Will the US and NATO leave Afghanistan?

Since when NATO and US are in Pakistan? As i see it, the problem of this country lays in conflict between religous extremists and secular president.
 
I assume never. :thumbs_do

So long as you look at the scenerio in isolation :D

All happenings in Pakistan are as a direct result of what is happening in Afghanistan. The West couldn't defeat Talibans and Pakistan is paying heavily against the failures of Western forces. Suicidal attacks in Pakistan are taking place in retaliation to the pro-US policies by the existing GOVT. The day Pakistan leaves the coalition in the absurd and baseless war against terror, Im sure there will be no suicial attacks in Pakistan.
 
Since when NATO and US are in Pakistan? As i see it, the problem of this country lays in conflict between religous extremists and secular president.

Which country is providing air space and logistic support to the operations in Afghanistan? Don't you think employment of 100,000 Pakistani soldiers along western border in support of coalition will lead to retaliation?
 
Which country is providing air space and logistic support to the operations in Afghanistan? Don't you think employment of 100,000 Pakistani soldiers along western border in support of coalition will lead to retaliation?

You are right, i forgot about this fact.
 
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when Russia attacked Afghanistan the people who fought with
them, majority were phastoons and phastoons are in Afghanistan and Pakistan so its like a family now if someone hit one part of the family the others will react
Now Tribal people are master of making hand made weapons so there is not anyway there will be a shortage of weapons there so the fight is on ..............
The most important point Like Pakistan had given US and NATO their air fields and other assistance the same way Tribals says that they have right to help their family when they have fought with them how can they go against them ??
So fighting Tribals or phastoons is not good for Pakistan or for anybody we have seen the history.

:w:
 
When Will the US and NATO leave Afghanistan?

Benazhir Bhutto got attacked because of the US presence in Afghanistan?

I was under the impression it was mostly Pakistanis killing Pakistanis. Sunni's vs. Shiites. Orthodox Muslims vs. 'moderates'. Stuff like that? After all, most terrorist attacks are actually aimed at religious events, no?

List of recent bombings in Pakistan:
2003

* July 5 At least 47 people were killed and 150 injured in an attack on a Shia mosque in the south-western Pakistani city of Quetta.[14]

* December 14 President Pervez Musharraf survived an assassination attempt when a powerful bomb went off minutes after his highly-guarded convoy crossed a bridge in Rawalpindi. Musharraf was apparently saved by a jamming device in his limousine that prevented the remote controlled explosives from blowing up the bridge as his convoy passed over it.[15]

* December 25 Another attempt was carried on the president 11 days later when two suicide bombers tried to assassinate Musharraf, but their car bombs failed to kill the president; 16 others nearby died instead. Musharraf escaped with only a cracked windscreen on his car. Militant Amjad Farooqi was apparently suspected as being the mastermind behind these attempts, and was killed by Pakistani forces in 2004 after an extensive manhunt.[16]

2004

* March 2 At least 47 persons are killed and more than 150 wounded when a procession of the Shia sect is attacked by rival Sunni extremists at Liaquat Bazaar in Quetta.

* May 7 A suicide bomber attacked a crowded Shia mosque, killing 23 worshipers. One person was killed in the riots that follows the attack.

* May 26 Two car bombs explode within 20 minutes of each other outside the Pakistan-American Cultural Center and near the US consul general's residence, killing one policemen and injuring more than 10 people, mainly policemen and journalists.[17]

* May 30 A religious scholar, Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, was gunned down in his car while leaving his home.[18]

* May 31 A suicide bomber blew up the Imam Ali Reza mosque in the middle of evening prayers, killing 21 worshipers. Two people are killed in riots over the mosque attack and Shamzai's assassination.

* June 10 Gunmen opened fire on a convoy carrying the then core commander Lt Gen Ahsan Saleem Hyat leaving 11 people dead. The core commander who escaped unhurt later became the vice chief of army staff under General Pervez Musharraf.[19]

* July 30 Assassination attempt on the then Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, while he was campaigning for by-election in Fateh Jang, Punjab. Even though he survived the attempt, nine people were killed due to the suicide bombing.[20]

* October 1 A suicide bombing left 30 people dead at a Shia mosque in the northeastern city of Sialkot.[21]

* October 7 A car bomb left 40 people dead in the central city of Multan during a Sunni meeting. This was most probably the retaliation of Sialkot suicide attacks exactly a week ago.

2005

* March 19 44 people were killed when a Sipah-e-Sahaba terrorist exploded himself in a mixed crowd of Shia and Sunni devotees at the shrine of Pir Rakhel Shah in Balochistan.[22]

* May 27 Suicide bombing at the shrine of Bari Imam in Islamabad left 19 people dead.

* October 7 Eight members of the Ahmadiyya faith were killed inside a mosque as worshippers were performing Salah. The incident occurred in Mandi Bahauddin in Punjab, Pakistan. [23]

* 15 November A car bomb exploded outside a Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet in Karachi, Pakistan at around 08:45 (UTC+5). At least three people were killed and eight others wounded. [24]

2006

* 5 February A bomb explosion killed 13 people on a bus near Quetta. No groups claimed of responsibility for the attack. [25]

* March 2 A power suicide car bomb attack in the high security zone near the US Consulate, Karachi, killed four people including a US diplomat.[26]

* 10 March Twenty-six people, mostly women & children, are killed in Dera Bugti, southwest Pakistan after their bus hit a landmine. Both tribal rebels and security forces planted landmines in the area. [27]

* April 11 Over 50 people, including Sunni scholars, were killed in a bomb explosion at a religious gathering celebrating the birthday of Prophet Muhammad in Nishtar Park, Karachi.[28]

* July 14 Allama Hassan Turabi, a Shiite religious scholar, and his 12-year-old nephew died in a suicide attack near his Abbas Town residence. The suicide bomber was later identified as Abdul Karim, a Bangladeshi-speaking, resident of a shantytown in the central city area of Karachi.[29]

* November 8 A suicide bomber killed 42 Pakistani Army soldiers and injured 20 in the northwestern town of Dargai, apparently in retaliation to the Chenagai airstrike which killed 80 people in the same Bajaur region in the previous month.[30]

2007

* January 26 Two people were killed and five injured in a suspected suicide attack in Pakistan. The bomber and a security guard were killed in the blast at the Marriott hotel in the capital Islamabad.[31]

* April 28 Assassination attempt on Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao, who is the Interior minister that killed 28 people in Charsadda, NWFP. This time again an attempt on a high ranking officer of Pakistani government was unsuccessful.[32]

* May 15 A bomb blast at the local hotel in the northwestern city of Peshawar killed 24 people and injured 30.[33]

* October 18 Attack on Benazir Bhutto convoy kills over 136 in Karachi leaving hundreds injured.[34]. Former PM Ms Benazir Bhutto was returning after 8 years of self imposed exile to introduce democracy after few attempts of deals with General Pervez Musharraf. Karachi Bombs in Pictures

I just can't see how you can blame all that violence on the US and NATO presence in Afghanistan? Most of it seems to have some religious motivation. Much is also more political, yet, even then it is still Pakistanis vs. Pakistanis. Is it the US fault that some Pakistanis side with the US?
 
Benazhir Bhutto got attacked because of the US presence in Afghanistan?

I just can't see how you can blame all that violence on the US and NATO presence in Afghanistan? Most of it seems to have some religious motivation. Much is also more political, yet, even then it is still Pakistanis vs. Pakistanis. Is it the US fault that some Pakistanis side with the US?


1. Benazir issued controversial statements prior to her arrival in Pakistan that she will handover DR Abdul Qadeer Khan to international agencies for further interrogation and she would allow US and NATO to strike tribal areas, the two aspects about which the existing Pakistan's Govt has also been resisting and has taken firm stand, despite implementing pro-US policies. She was openly threatened by Tribal leaders for her pro-US stance.

2. None of the suicidal attacks has any linkage to political turmoil, these have been carried out on Govt officials and VIPs for assisting the US in the war against terror. Why don't you see NATO and US failure against Talibans, so many years passed and they are still unable to claim any worthwhile success, despite having been equipped with state-of-the-art weapon systems and other resources and the world expects Pakistan to do some magic and restore the situation in entire South Asia :D

3. If Pakistan announces its disengagement today, there will be no retaliation from those, who consider the existing Govt killers of the Muslims.
 
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