Saudi justice

[جوري]

I am game with 'hidden and ignored'..would have been delighted in my ignorance knowing David Hyde pierce wasn't gay...but there he was thanking his lover publically for 24 yrs of bliss

gahhhhhhh..and bahhhhhhhh
Why couldn't he stay closeted?..I mean he waited 24 yrs was it really itching him? Did it make much of a difference? People should keep their dirty laundry to themselves or their priest..I don't want to know of it!

 

[InToTheRain]

Are you sure its still the same case :?

Yes Tania, it is regarding the same case, these were comments made by those who saw broadcasts relating to this issue..

1.I blame the society for what happened. May be she was forced to marry with that man and she had no option for divorce. In this days, in Saudi can you divorce from the husband or you have to wait until he makes the first move :?.

That's a lot of assumtions, key word here is "Maybe".

2. Giving to a woman a sentence of 200 lashes, they are sentencing her to death.

you don't get lashed for getting raped oh: regarding this case, they increased the number of lashes because she spun the story in her favor and tried to abuse the media to influence the judge. She was having an illicit affair outside of marriage which she admitted to.

3. I no wonder the woman hide the rape because only the thought of lashes ....

I don't see why they should hide it, you don't get lashed for getting raped. They lashed this woman for having illicit affairs outside marriage which she admitted according to the broadcasts.

So the example you gave is not an example of "inciting rape". But I ask what was an example. So could you give us an example of a woman "Inciting Rape"?

Wilber as for your question regarding inciting rape. Well if your walking around showing your bling blings to a theif who knows he can overpower you and get his way against you what is there to stop him? For example there were Ads here in London showing how you shouldn't show your mobile in public places for risk of getting mugged, this is a crime which is regularely commited round here unfortunately. Basically the message was to reduce the risk of getting mugged by hiding your vluables. If we apply the same logic to Rape cases, we should encourage our woman to conceal their beauty so as not to incite or reduce the risk against those who tend to deviate if given the chance.



I am no fan of Saudi...and I know many...ok ok ALL non-Muslims think the Shariah is Barbaric. But before you complain or mock the Laws others implement in order to prevent crimes I suggest you get your back yard in order first. FYI:

[PIE]1) Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.

2) Between 1 in 4 women experienced completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher, Cullen, and Turner 2000). Statistics vary according to how the numbers are processed and RAINN reports the figure as 1 in 6.

3) Over 32,000 pregnancies result from rape every year (Holmes et al., 1996) CDC

SOURCE
[/PIE]

If something appears to be destructive to a community or humanity in general laws are placed to insure the pertrators of such crime dare not do it out of fear of the consequences. If it means flogging them, hanging then, stoning them, gouging their eyes out etc so be it. We don't want to be handing the perpetrators a bowl of roses now do we? as can be seen from the stats in America, your Laws aren't working...

Personally, I do not accept Islam because I can comprehend the Shariah, I accept Islam becuase I see it as truth and I have no doubt that the Qur'an is the Words of Allah(SWT) and his fina massenger is Mohammad(SAW).
Non-Muslims who come here trying to show how barbaric our laws are do not put an iota of weight against its truth. We as Muslims find no valid argument against the truth in the Qur'an, we accept its Laws after accepting Allah(SWT) and his massenger as complete truth...not because how beautiful we thought the it's laws were.

 

[MTAFFI]

what are you saying here - women from south L.A. (=black or latino) wouldn't mind being raped by 6 men??????
:thumbs_do

snakelegs, snakelegs, snakelegs.... I had no idea that you thought of me as such a bigot... I am not sure exactly why or where you pulled race out of that statement and I also noticed that some others seemed to have followed suit, so let me apologize for the vagueness of my original statement which was in a nutshell "some women in south LA may take being raped by six men as a cake walk". This statement was not made in such a way to compare the emotional distress of such a situation as it was the physical distress of being sexually ravaged by six different men. South LA is home to an extremely high number of prostitutes, porno stars and other foul creatures that do such things for a living and therefore may not endure the same physical pain as this woman (assuming she is a true muslim and has yet to fornicate) and they may and probably do many times a year for pleasure, the proof is in the number of exceptionally high tapes that come out that involve the absolute male domination of a woman (sometimes over 10 men at a time) Disgusting isnt it? To me it is, which is why I half hazardly "poked" fun at them for being such drains on society, not at all because of their ethnicity, in fact some of the nastiest seem to be white! (I did an essay that involved this sort of thing while I was in college, it got an A, if I can find it I will PM it to you if you would like)

 

[Jayda]

you have absolutely no idea how out of bounds you just stepped, rape isn't a 'cakewalk' for anyone. many women in the pornography and sex industry are there out of intimidation by their sexual abusers or because of the emotional scars of being raped. it doesn't get easier because of experience and it's not less bad because of the circumstances of how they make a living.

 

[NoName55]

when these Nazis slip-up and their masks fall off and it is pointed out to them, why are they allowed to back track, save face and start from begining/afresh???? as if ....

 

[Tania]

I am no fan of Saudi...and I know many...ok ok ALL non-Muslims think the Shariah is Barbaric. But before you complain or mock the Laws others implement in order to prevent crimes I suggest you get your back yard in order first. FYI:

I can't finish my study over the saudi system because i can't find sites over criminal laws in english but what they are doing its to apply a law based somehow on Shariah. Even this mutaween appeared only in 1980 based on a royal decreet. They are not something in religious teachings.

 

[aamirsaab]

when these Nazis slip-up and their masks fall off and it is pointed out to them, why are they allowed to back track, save face and start from begining/afresh???? as if ....

Mtaffi was explaining his post, that is all.

 

[MTAFFI]

you have absolutely no idea how out of bounds you just stepped, rape isn't a 'cakewalk' for anyone. many women in the pornography and sex industry are there out of intimidation by their sexual abusers or because of the emotional scars of being raped. it doesn't get easier because of experience and it's not less bad because of the circumstances of how they make a living.

I dont think I stepped out of bounds at all, do you know any of these women to give reason as to why they do these things? Even if you do to me it is no more than excuse, there are jobs out there that are not humiliating and disgusting like these, yet these women choose, whether they are influenced or not, to do it because they know they can make good money. The bible and the Quran say to kill these women, yet you defend them, the sad reality is these women typically die at a young age addicted to drugs or of a sexually transmitted disease and it is no ones fault but their own, I poked fun at them because it is the truth and they disgust me.

 

[MTAFFI]

when these Nazis slip-up and their masks fall off and it is pointed out to them, why are they allowed to back track, save face and start from begining/afresh???? as if ....

as if what NoName? Go ahead, tell me what I backtracked, I never denied anything I said, I just clarified that it wasnt an ethnically based accusation. Also, I am hardly a Nazi, I have a Jewish friend, please clarify the statement though as I did above so I can understand your point. I would like to see you save a little face.

Also, how do you feel about this issue? Rather than throwing in a random insult lets hear your take on the situation and add to the conversation rather than litter it with your anti western keyboard throw-up :X

 

[Jayda]

I dont think I stepped out of bounds at all, do you know any of these women to give reason as to why they do these things? Even if you do to me it is no more than excuse, there are jobs out there that are not humiliating and disgusting like these, yet these women choose, whether they are influenced or not, to do it because they know they can make good money. The bible and the Quran say to kill these women, yet you defend them, the sad reality is these women typically die at a young age addicted to drugs or of a sexually transmitted disease and it is no ones fault but their own, I poked fun at them because it is the truth and they disgust me.

hola,

don't you have any compassion? you speak about these women like they are trash waiting to be thrown away... people have worth and are worth redeeming. we do not leave the injured ones behind to be destroyed by the elements. i worked in womens shelters before and met many of the girls who end up on the streets... very often from desperation, very often from abuse or intimidation. they are at a higher risk for rape, murder, drug abuse and disease and the certainty of dying young increases the longer they are there. if the physical scars are not enough, the emotional scars will last forever... sex loses all attachment and meaning for many, they view themselves as objects and their ambitions are destroyed.

they do not deserve to be abused and certainly not raped. they need to be helped, not kicked, that is why Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman. and you are not better than them and do not deserve better than them because you have a different set of circumstances.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Woodrow]

I am aware that this thread has deviated from the original topic. However, in looking through the thread it appears it is a natural progression of the topic and in that sense is not off topic. In my opinion it is best to allow the topic to continue as it now is rather than delete a number of good posts.

So all I ask is we try to keep from reducing the thread to personal arguments as that will upset me

and the thread will go on a voyage to never-never land.

 

[MTAFFI]

hola,

don't you have any compassion? you speak about these women like they are trash waiting to be thrown away... people have worth and are worth redeeming. we do not leave the injured ones behind to be destroyed by the elements. i worked in womens shelters before and met many of the girls who end up on the streets... very often from desperation, very often from abuse or intimidation. they are at a higher risk for rape, murder, drug abuse and disease and the certainty of dying young increases the longer they are there. if the physical scars are not enough, the emotional scars will last forever... sex loses all attachment and meaning for many, they view themselves as objects and their ambitions are destroyed.

they do not deserve to be abused and certainly not raped. they need to be helped, not kicked, that is why Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman. and you are not better than them and do not deserve better than them because you have a different set of circumstances.

que Dios te bendiga

I have plenty of compassion, it isnt that I dont feel sorry for women being raped, I feel absolutely terrible for this young saudi woman as I stated earlier in this thread when I created it. Rape victims are forced to have sex, they are humiliated and indeed physically and emotionally scarred for life, it is a sick disgusting soulless person that commits such a heinous act and they should be executed upon proof of the heinous act.

On the other hand you have women who solicite themselves, such as the porno women, the prostitutes, etc. Where the rape victim has no choice, these women do, no matter what you say, they have a choice. Yes times get tough, yes people get desperate, but there is a choice on how to deal with such times and in my opinion that ultimately defines you as a person and is what helps you through the rest of your life. Life isnt easy, God never said it would be, but he did say he disagrees with adulterous women and prostitutes. These women stray from God in their choice to work in such a profession and in my opinion it is why they end up like the seemingly always do, dead or dying. They throw their lives away and trade their very souls for the almighty dollar, and yes I mock them for it. I am a very priviledged person today, but to say I never had a tough time would be an outright lie. Yes I could have resorted to dealing drugs and I could have found easy money, just like anyone could, but instead I took a low paying crappy job made the best of it, did what I had to do and became successful over time. Am I supposed to feel bad for a ***** who cant do the same because rather than work she would sell her body to support her addictions? (not necessarily drug)

I am sorry but I dont have compassion for those women because they choose, God didnt intend for them to live their lives in such a way. Prostitution is a pitfall of man kind, it is like a disease that has spread from the streets to the televisions and in my opinion actually encourages rape by showing such dispicable acts as common place. If they choose to carry on and not repent they could all die for all I care along with the adulterous (male or female) because they are no more than a drain to humanity.

 

[Hashim_507]

suadia Arabis rulers are puppets. The justice system is totally corrupted.

 

[Jayda]

I have plenty of compassion, it isnt that I dont feel sorry for women being raped, I feel absolutely terrible for this young saudi woman as I stated earlier in this thread when I created it. Rape victims are forced to have sex, they are humiliated and indeed physically and emotionally scarred for life, it is a sick disgusting soulless person that commits such a heinous act and they should be executed upon proof of the heinous act.

On the other hand you have women who solicite themselves, such as the porno women, the prostitutes, etc. Where the rape victim has no choice, these women do, no matter what you say, they have a choice. Yes times get tough, yes people get desperate, but there is a choice on how to deal with such times and in my opinion that ultimately defines you as a person and is what helps you through the rest of your life. Life isnt easy, God never said it would be, but he did say he disagrees with adulterous women and prostitutes. These women stray from God in their choice to work in such a profession and in my opinion it is why they end up like the seemingly always do, dead or dying. They throw their lives away and trade their very souls for the almighty dollar, and yes I mock them for it. I am a very priviledged person today, but to say I never had a tough time would be an outright lie. Yes I could have resorted to dealing drugs and I could have found easy money, just like anyone could, but instead I took a low paying crappy job made the best of it, did what I had to do and became successful over time. Am I supposed to feel bad for a ***** who cant do the same because rather than work she would sell her body to support her addictions? (not necessarily drug)

I am sorry but I dont have compassion for those women because they choose, God didnt intend for them to live their lives in such a way. Prostitution is a pitfall of man kind, it is like a disease that has spread from the streets to the televisions and in my opinion actually encourages rape by showing such dispicable acts as common place. If they choose to carry on and not repent they could all die for all I care along with the adulterous (male or female) because they are no more than a drain to humanity.

i'm not really sure what to say... that's just evil...

 

[Jayda]

read about this person, and talk to some of the women here. maybe it will change your mind about giving up on people.

 

[mujahideenryder]

Why is it called 'Saudi justice'. It's more like 'Saudi injustice'.

 

[MTAFFI]

read about this person, and talk to some of the women here. maybe it will change your mind about giving up on people.

Good for these women, they made a choice and the right one. I am not giving up on anyone in fact in my last line I stated "If they choose to carry on and not repent.." these women you mention are obviously repenting. To me it is the women that continue to do it without repenting that have given up on themselves, so why shouldnt I?

 

[MTAFFI]

Why is it called 'Saudi justice'. It's more like 'Saudi injustice'.

Because it is justice in Saudi Arabia, how could it be injustice if it is not against their legal system? Just because I dont agree with it doesnt make it unlawful for them to enforce their laws

 

[Jayda]

Good for these women, they made a choice and the right one. I am not giving up on anyone in fact in my last line I stated "If they choose to carry on and not repent.." these women you mention are obviously repenting. To me it is the women that continue to do it without repenting that have given up on themselves, so why shouldnt I?

hola

saying that getting raped for them is a walk in the part, you hope they die, they are a drain on humanity and using misogynist swear words to describe them isn't 'giving up.' it's never giving them a chance. you write with all of the arrogance and self satisfaction of a person whose convinced himself he's successful and he's gotten there because of his hard work, paying lip service to God so that others will think you're as righteous as you view yourself. choosing not to have compassion is not righteous, it's deplorable, speaking about rape like it's only as bad as who it happens to is equally deplorable. i sincerely hope you grow a sense of humility.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[NoName55]

hola

saying that getting raped for them is a walk in the part, you hope they die, they are a drain on humanity and using misogynist swear words to describe them isn't 'giving up.' it's never giving them a chance. you write with all of the arrogance and self satisfaction of a person whose convinced himself he's successful and he's gotten there because of his hard work, paying lip service to God so that others will think you're as righteous as you view yourself. choosing not to have compassion is not righteous, it's deplorable, speaking about rape like it's only as bad as who it happens to is equally deplorable. i sincerely hope you grow a sense of humility.

que Dios te bendiga

I'll just piggyback on your posts and say: Ditto because................