Death penalty????

[AabiruSabeel]

Whatever Allah SubHanhu wa Ta'ala has ordered with His Hikmat (wisdom) is the most appropriate for His creations. We with our limited intelligence, imagination and whatever cannot fully comprehend the Hikmat that lies behind capital punishment...

 

[wilberhum]

:salamext:,

Most people who are against the death penalty either a) do not believe in the afterlife or b) do not understand it. Otherwise, there is no reason to be against it.

Wassalam.

Da, If I thought there was a hell I would be happy to send them on there way.

Your just another case of minimum understanding.

You see everything as black or white and fail to see the 98 shades of gray.

 

[Yerpon]

My opinion is that most people who commit crimes such as murder or rape are not capable of making rational judgements and decisions at the time of the action.

I agree.

When criminals see other people having death penalty or other penalties, they will be less likely to commit crimes. The crime rates will come down.

Otherwise, the crime rates will go up. Then, more people will be killed by criminals.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I agree.

When criminals see other people having death penalty or other penalties, they will be less likely to commit crimes. The crime rates will come down.

Otherwise, the crime rates will go up. Then, more people will be killed by criminals.

Not necessarily. I don't think the death penalty as we know it today is too much of a crime deterrant.

 

[Mikayeel]

I believe everyone who disagree's with the islamic death penalty is just plain ignorant! For a very good reason, most people here who say the death penalty will not work etc... etc... have never ever seen the death penalty being applied correctly or being applied at all! So they come to a conclusion which they feel is right... how can you judge on judging which you have never seen working in a proper way?(thats ignorance wouldnt you agree?)

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I believe everyone who disagree's with the islamic death penalty is just plain ignorant! For a very good reason, most people here who say the death penalty will not work etc... etc... have never ever seen the death penalty being applied correctly or being applied at all! So they come to a conclusion which they feel is right... how can you judge on judging which you have never seen working in a proper way?(thats ignorance wouldnt you agree?)

I am aware that public execution/linching must be a better crime deterrant than a gas cell in the basement of a highly guarded state prison, but that doesn't make it right or good.

 

[Mikayeel]

I am aware that public execution/linching must be a better crime deterrant than a gas cell in the basement of a highly guarded state prison, but that doesn't make it right or good.

agian you are proving that my point is right.... U think its not right or good, have you ever lived in a country where the islamic rules where applied correctly?? Have u ever been in that kind of society? Unless you have you cant really answer that question. Rather your giving me opinions... which are for your concern wrong.. Because i have seen both societies!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

agian you are proving that my point is right.... U think its not right or good, have you ever lived in a country where the islamic rules where applied correctly?? Have u ever been in that kind of society? Unless you have you cant really answer that question. Rather your giving me opinions... which are for your concern wrong.. Because i have seen both societies!

You have an islamic bias, you look at everything from an Islamic perspective, you feel Islam is superior. I have a democratic/liberal bias, hence I believe our society is superior to yours. I don't have to live in an islamic society to know that. (anyways, I am told that there is not a single proper islamic society nowadays).
By my subective right/wrong standards death penalty is wrong and public executions are even wronger. I don't think we should go against our democratic and human rights standards in order to benefit from executions.

 

[Mikayeel]

You have an islamic bias, you look at everything from an Islamic perspective, you feel Islam is superior. I have a democratic/liberal bias, hence I believe our society is superior to yours. I don't have to live in an islamic society to know that. (anyways, I am told that there is not a single proper islamic society nowadays).
By my subective right/wrong standards death penalty is wrong and public executions are even wronger. I don't think we should go against our democratic and human rights standards in order to benefit from executions.

Yes thats right islam is superior, it has answers to all my problems... and all the answers are correct. That is what you think and like i said its been proven wrong! The lack of a death penalty is showing an increase in crime... my example would be the UK because I live there, since it has been stopped the crime rates have increased.. how would your democratic/liberal bias explain that?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yes thats right islam is superior, it has answers to all my problems... and all the answers are correct. That is what you think and like i said its been proven wrong! The lack of a death penalty is showing an increase in crime... my example would be the UK because I live there, since it has been stopped the crime rates have increased.. how would your democratic/liberal bias explain that?

The answers may be correct, however nobody has managed to prove such claims, so I'll continue to see them as a product of muslim bias.
what has been proven wrong?
I'd say that the socioeconimic conditions on the British Isles have been worsening for decades so the crime rates would have risen without the death penalty being abolished.
Take a look at some other European countries, such as Switzerland or Denamark which have also abolished the death penalty yet they haven't witnessed an increase in crime.

 

[wilberhum]

I believe everyone who disagree's with the islamic death penalty is just plain ignorant! For a very good reason, most people here who say the death penalty will not work etc... etc... have never ever seen the death penalty being applied correctly or being applied at all! So they come to a conclusion which they feel is right... how can you judge on judging which you have never seen working in a proper way?(thats ignorance wouldnt you agree?)

I believe everyone who disagrees with me is just plain ignorant! For a very good reason, I'm perfect. :skeleton:
To me it is as ignorant as you can get to think you have a perfect solution. :?

 

[chacha_jalebi]

i did say cough cough before . . .

il say it again cough cough

keep the debates civil, respect each other, otherwise . . . :shade:

 

[Omari]

GAH!
guys I did a lot of research on WhatsThePoints question...

Rapists who aren't married only get punished with beating or jail...they don't get capital punishment...
[This is because they probably could not control themselves]
Rapists who ARE married and rape...kill them. str8 up.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

GAH!
guys I did a lot of research on WhatsThePoints question...

Rapists who aren't married only get punished with beating or jail...they don't get capital punishment...
[This is because they probably could not control themselves]
Rapists who ARE married and rape...kill them. str8 up.

Thanks for trying.eace:

I think things are more complicated than that though. Unmarried men may often get more erm pleasure than married ones. And there are pelnty of disfunctional marriages, where not only does a man get little or no pleasure whatsoever but is also distressed, hurt.. which can lead to rape..

I think the marital status of the defendant should hold no or very little significance.

 

[جوري]

I am aware that public execution/linching must be a better crime deterrant than a gas cell in the basement of a highly guarded state prison, but that doesn't make it right or good.

I don't know about lynching that isn't jurispridence, but a public execution as in fact as it should be.
No one should take pleasure in someone's death, whether the perpetrator, victim's family or the executioner that isn't what it is about. Again, this is more of a 'maw3itha'
مَوْعِظَة اســــــــــــم عِظَة
preachment , adage , sermon , lesson

about justice, because that is what death is, not necessairly a deterrant but an expiation of sin that has been committed.. that is one
2-payment for crime committed
3-may or may not be a deterrent but the image should live in people's memories, for those who might take heed...

whether or not Islam is my religion, I am a strong advocate for highest possible sentence to fit each crime. That is how I work in my everyday in life.. that is how you work when you are sick, honestly think about it.. you don't think of the bacteria or virus or cancer in your body as living in symbiosis with you? you think of them as an enemy and want to annihilate them.. pls do be honest with yourself.. when you are sick do you not want to get well? I mean could be some folks like illness because they leach of society, malingerer to gain, sympathy or whatever else, but they still suffer with their illness especially if self-imposed.. but most sane people take their antibiotics, their anti-virals and antineoplastics etc etc, in hopes of conquering the misfits/criminals that have taken over their body.. society is a body and can't afford criminals in its midst.. you can't say well, I'll reform this virus, the minute you lag, you lose...
think about it, outside whether or not one thinks so because of a religion. Perhaps they have chosen this religion because it makes most sense..

peace

 

[Omari]

No Problemeace:

I think the marital status of the defendant should hold no or very little significance.

I think we should look at countries with above average populations.
[Developing countries]
In most cultures in developing countries rape is strongly forbidden, and the usual solution to this crime [more practiced in India] is getting the "defendant" MARRIED to the victim.

And there are pelnty of disfunctional marriages

Divorce often works for such marriages. If, as you said, the man gets little or no pleasure, then he should get another wife, and if the second wife still doesn't satisfy him, he can get a third one, and if he is STILL not satisfied a fourth one is also permitted.
Islam leaves NO reason what-so-ever for such a practice. For Allah is perfect, and his religion aswel.

Hope it helps. If not, "Itried.JPG[IMG] :peace:

Peace
Omari

 

[Omari]

, honestly think about it.. you don't think of the bacteria or virus or cancer in your body as living in symbiosis with you? you think of them as an enemy and want to annihilate them.. pls do be honest with yourself.. when you are sick do you not want to get well? I mean could be some folks like illness because they leach of society, malingerer to gain, sympathy or whatever else, but they still suffer with their illness especially if self-imposed.. but most sane people take their antibiotics, their anti-virals and antineoplastics etc etc, in hopes of conquering the misfits/criminals that have taken over their body.. society is a body and can't afford criminals in its midst.. you can't say well, I'll reform this virus, the minute you lag, you lose...
think about it, outside whether or not one thinks so because of a religion. Perhaps they have chosen this religion because it makes most sense..

peace

I thought about it, though it's slightly unrelative it makes almost perfect sence. Probably the best possible example.
Jazakallahu khair for sharing
Omari

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Divorce often works for such marriages. If, as you said, the man gets little or no pleasure, then he should get another wife, and if the second wife still doesn't satisfy him, he can get a third one, and if he is STILL not satisfied a fourth one is also permitted.
Islam leaves NO reason what-so-ever for such a practice. For Allah is perfect, and his religion aswel.

Peace
Omari

A divorce is a big step, not all people who should divorce actually do so.
Do you thing an average rapist is wealthy enough to afford more than 1 wife? Most of them are depressed, unemployed etc.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

whether or not Islam is my religion, I am a strong advocate for highest possible sentence to fit each crime. That is how I work in my everyday in life.. that is how you work when you are sick, honestly think about it.. you don't think of the bacteria or virus or cancer in your body as living in symbiosis with you? you think of them as an enemy and want to annihilate them.. pls do be honest with yourself.. when you are sick do you not want to get well? I mean could be some folks like illness because they leach of society, malingerer to gain, sympathy or whatever else, but they still suffer with their illness especially if self-imposed.. but most sane people take their antibiotics, their anti-virals and antineoplastics etc etc, in hopes of conquering the misfits/criminals that have taken over their body.. society is a body and can't afford criminals in its midst.. you can't say well, I'll reform this virus, the minute you lag, you lose...
think about it, outside whether or not one thinks so because of a religion. Perhaps they have chosen this religion because it makes most sense..

peace

I agree, a society cannot afford having criminals and dangerous people freely walking down the street. But I don't think such elements should be executed, let alone publically. I have stated my positions and reasons for them throughout this thread, there's no point in repeating them.

 

[Omari]

A divorce is a big step, not all people who should divorce actually do so.
Do you thing an average rapist is wealthy enough to afford more than 1 wife? Most of them are depressed, unemployed etc.

Aw common. Not everyone gets married in a 5-star hotel!

and if you mean to say that they can't afford the food and clothing...then they should consider their "pleasure-less" life and find ways to make it full of pleasure...I don't want to talk about ways to please yourself with your life partner, I'm sure your not that dull [if at all].

Choosing your life-partner is a big step. So take it carefully. There is, in my opinion, a solution to all the problems that may lead the rapist to take the sick step.

Peace