Gaza in darkness as border closed

[krypton6]

They been fighting bravely...but how many ppl have died...have they won??? what guarantee do u have that they will win...just wait for ultimate justice in the next world...

Exactly! How many people have died? Those people died for a reason, it would be stupid of us to give up on what our people died for.

There is no 100% guarantee that we will win, but honestly do you really believe that the furture super powers would want 1.2-1.3 Billion enemies?

I dont, and as time goes on america will be weaken and as they are weaken their allied dictators in the middle east are weaken, and as they are weaken greater islamic leaders will start to rule. Those leaders will start taking care of their people, and including those people are the palestinians.

No arab leader has ever fought against Israel! Saddam send some misilles, but other than that only the palestinians have fought, but they are normal people, they arent soldiers! Greate leaders will eventually lead our nations and as they are born, israel will slowly disappear.

is that third holiest land more important than the lives of the 'holliest ppl in the world'--so to speak--

That is for the palestinians to decide, and they have already chosen. My personal opinion is YES wether I like it or not! Its my duty to protect muslims the same way that it is your duty to protect your children.

israel is big enuf...and if they expand...guess what...a bunch of poor palestinians orphans arent gna get in their way...

Israel used to say that they only wanted a small part of Palestine, they expanded in a matter of years and now they have robbed more than 90% of it. Perhaps if they asked the muslims in the first place, we might have given them less than 5% or so, but they didnt even ask.

and from my knowledge...in islam...untill the judgement day..even the kabe will be taken in by non-muslims...

Never heard of that, but as muslims we have to protect our religion regardless of the costs!

sometimes..u need to leave it to God...

We should fight for that is our duty, we should fight the same way the caliphates fought.

so why fight against whats written...

Because we can.

"i just love blaming everything on the US....so convenient...

if we (all muslim states) had grown half a collective brain by today...we wouldnt be talking abt this....

so its our fault...after the ottoman empire...muslims just went..."ok..where do i sign up for a life of no education and hate towards the western world???"

Well it is their fault so how could I not blaim America?

Some blaim america while many blaim and fight, and those who fight are the "terrorists":

Just remember that the Ottoman ended less than 100 years ago, thats not that long!

We were robbed by the west ever since, and that is why our sittuation is as it is today. It is not our fault, what could we have done? Fought back? We did fight back, and we still do.

 

[krypton6]

Boy is that going to turn the world around. :?

I'm 75% Irish and I know what every Irishman wants, ya Da. :skeleton:

You can find support for anything on youtube. You can find support for making Islam illegal, so what?

zillions of videos. Only you would buy that. ;D;D

Television channels usually represent the people in the middle east.

You do know what britains want, you know that they are against Bin Laden and against the so called "terrorism". That same way that you know what they want, I know what my people want. It would be stupid of you not to know the basic opinions of your people, and palestinian freedom fighting is the basic of the middle east and asia.

Perhaps you should ask some islamic websites about what they think of Israel. I can assure you that what they believe what I believe! Ask some arabic members on this website or any other place, 98% will say what I have said.

 

[sevgi]

Israel used to say that they only wanted a small part of Palestine, they expanded in a matter of years and now they have robbed more than 90% of it. Perhaps if they asked the muslims in the first place, we might have given them less than 5% or so, but they didnt even ask.


ummmm...

i never ever said that...i dno where u got that from...

 

[sevgi]

as for the rest of ur post...

were never gna agree..coz i have nothing to agree on...

what im debating is not my opinion...so ill leave u to it...i do not want to argue with my brother...

but remember...sometimes "we shall fite till death" could be comprehended in other ways.

peace bro.

 

[wilberhum]

Television channels usually represent the people in the middle east. ...................

Ya, and American Idle represent the people in the US. :hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

 

[krypton6]

Ya, and American Idle represent the people in the US. :hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

Different world, different culture. If you dont believe in this, then go and ask around for yourself.

i never ever said that...i dno where u got that from...

I never claimed that you said it, did I?...

 

[sevgi]

i never ever said that...i dno where u got that from...

I never claimed that you said it, did I?...

looks as tho u quoted me...look bak at the post u made

 

[krypton6]

Israel used to say that they only wanted ......

I see... Well it was a mistake

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Ya, and American Idle represent the people in the US. :hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

I don't know what does represent the people in US. What I know is regardless of the Arab Governments which are allied with the US, almost every Muslim who knows and has ever heard of the Palestinian plight, is sympathetic and support the Palestinian Cause. Sadly an average Muslim can't do much except donate. It's quite surprising that the Shiite Iran would actually support Palestinians who mostly are Sunnis and used to like Saddam Hussein but look; where is there tough rhetoric bringing them. To a WAR?.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

So your willing to give away muslim lands, and homes to the terrorists who have robbed your fellow brothers and sisters, killed others and driven millions away from their homes? What are you Israeli?

They used to execute the betrayers, betrayers such as the coward Mahmoud Abbas who is not even following the true Fatah.

What are you talking about? I said ONLY IF the Mahmoud Abbas demands are fulfilled. I mean all those issues of East Jerusalem, right of return for the refugees, settlements, etc would be discussed and a solution will be reached. WHAT I know is tough rhetoric of yours and people who think like you have only caused misery and bloodshed to Palestinians and all of us Muslims around the world. It's time to think of the other side. Those Israeli *******s want to live too. Screw the filthy and accursed Zionists but there are good people on that other side. Let's just start to live in peace NOW.

 

[krypton6]

What are you talking about? I said ONLY IF the Mahmoud Abbas demands are fulfilled. I mean all those issues of East Jerusalem, right of return for the refugees, settlements, etc would be discussed and a solution will be reached. WHAT I know is tough rhetoric of yours and people who think like you have only caused misery and bloodshed to Palestinians and all of us Muslims around the world. It's time to think of the other side. Those Israeli *******s want to live too. Screw the filthy and accursed Zionists but there are good people on that other side. Let's just start to live in peace NOW.

Mahmoud Abbas recognizes Israel, and he is willing to let israelis stay on palestinian lands.

People who think like me are the palestinians. I have yet not heard of a palestinian family that wants to live in peace with Israel. The palestinians chose to fight back! It is only cowards as Mahmoud Abbas who wants to live in peace with Israel, but he is rich and as long as he supports Israel, Israel and America will make shure that he stays rich and stays in power.

People like "me" are the ones who fight against those who have ruined our lives, people like you are the cowards who want to live in peace with those who have ruined our nations, you want peace in order to live a betraying life.

I dont care about those Israelis, we didnt invade their country, we didnt slaughter them, we didnt steal their homes. They came to us and ruined our lives, and you want us to live in peace with them?

There arent any good israelis. If some people stole my house and lived inside it, I would considere anyone inside my house as my enemy, and I would rather die than to live in peace with that person.

For as long as people like me are alive, Israelis will never live in peace.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

For as long as people like me are alive, Israelis will never live in peace.

So you'd only be content if Isrealis were eradicated? This is not Islamic like is it dude.

 

[wilberhum]

Different world, different culture. If you dont believe in this, then go and ask around for yourself.

i never ever said that...i dno where u got that from...

I never claimed that you said it, did I?...

I know where you are from.

You are

Far away from me

And I'm glad for that.

Are you ashamed of where you are from? :?

 

[krypton6]

So you'd only be content if Isrealis were eradicated? This is not Islamic like is it dude.

They chose to live on my land, in my house, I want to return to my land and house, if they fight me on my way I will fight back, if they kill my family I will kill them!

But if they apologize for what they have done to my people, and if they give back to me what they took from me, I will treat them as I treat my own people, and that is Islam my friend.

"Are you ashamed of where you are from?"

Why on earth would I be ashamed?

 

[wilberhum]

They chose to live on my land, in my house, I want to return to my land and house

Why and when did you leave your house?

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Why and when did you leave your house?

i think youve just completely taken that out of context. someone should be able to leave their homes without someone else invading and taking over. common sense, for Gods sake.

 

[wilberhum]

i think youve just completely taken that out of context. someone should be able to leave their homes without someone else invading and taking over. common sense, for Gods sake.

For gods sake I assume that you know most of the people left there house so there friends could kill there neighbors.

 

[ahsan28]

The siege of Gaza has failed

January 27, 2008


The border with Egypt was breached in a single moment, with no warning. It is impossible to refrain from asking whether any of our decision makers, or any of those who whisper in their ears, foresaw this scenario and prepared for it. When Vice Premier Haim Ramon boasts of the impressive decision-making process that preceded last fall's military operation in Syria, his words sound bizarre in light of what is happening in the South.

While hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are streaming into Egyptian Rafah and Hosni Mubarak is having trouble reestablishing the border, while Hamas has succeeded in ending the siege of Gaza via a well-planned operation and simultaneously won the sympathy of the world.

In his speech, Ehud Olmert declared: "Mistakes were made; there were failures. But in addition, lessons were learned, mistakes were corrected, modes of behavior were changed and, above all, the decisions we have made since then have led to greater security, greater calm and greater deterrence than there had been for many years." Olmert was referring to the Winograd report. But he categorically ignored the fact that what was happening in the South completely contradicts his statements. If that is what learning lessons looks like, if that is what deterrence means, the Olmert government has precious little to boast about.

HAARETZ ( Zionist Daily)


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/948081.html

 

[ahsan28]

The Qassam as collective punishment

Sat, January 26, 2008


Imagine a situation in which thousands and thousands of people, many of them children and the elderly, are plunged into a reality in which they must fear for their lives day in and day out, in which their livelihoods are crippled, with their schools and even pre-schools under siege. Entire communities are trapped, paralyzed. Whole childhoods are spent in a state of post-traumatic stress.

The people living in this place are forced to bear the burden of the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They are the unarmed proxy warriors of their side, victimized by the tactical cruelty of the other.

Collective punishment is abhorrent. It is morally reprehensible. It is functionally self-defeating. It destroys the moral fiber of those who order it, practice it, countenance it, turn a blind eye to it. And those who are subjected to it.


HAARETZ (Zionist Daily)


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/948076.html

 

[wilberhum]

simultaneously won the sympathy of the world.

That is a pile and so is this.