Do none muslims agree that the quran has no contradictions?

[ranma1/2]

Any further discussions about Scientology, FSM or the Invisible Pink Unicorn will cause this mod to pull the last remaining hair out of his head.
(yes that is singular like 1. The grandkids already got the rest of them )

what about the Gfsm or his other names such as the egyptian god of noodles and his priests the RA-men.

 

[ummsara1108]

Understand what?

I ment the bible, if you find the bible in it's original language, let me know, oh that's right it doesn't exsist, but if you do and truely understand it, then you can say and then what?

But guess what? you can find the koran in it's original text/language.

And btw there's no need to be sarcastic guyabano.

 

[guyabano]

I ment the bible, if you find the bible in it's original language, let me know, oh that's right it doesn't exsist, but if you do and truely understand it, then you can say and then what?

But guess what? you can find the koran in it's original text/language.

And btw there's no need to be sarcastic guyabano.

oh, I see no sarcasm in my questions. I just don't like these telegramm posts, where you can guess, what the other mean

What is the 'divine' book ? What is the definition of an perfect book? How can you pretend, there exist a book written by a God, where you can even not proove, he is existing ?
Muslims say, the Quaran is the perfect book. But how comes, more than half of the population do not find this book perfect? If God created humans and the perfect book, shouldn't not ALL humans have the same opinion ?
Everybody say, their book is the perfect book, but then again, everybody pretend the others religion's book is contradictory.

So, get the irony ?

Thats why in my eyes, the Quaran is as contradictory as the bible is or whatever other book/roll of religions

I see no problems with that. It's ok for me. Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes, everybody has the right to live out his faith.

Peace

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Thats why in my eyes, the Quaran is as contradictory as the bible is or whatever other book/roll of religions

The Quran is by all means LESS contradictory than the Bible.
First, it is significantly shorter, i thin the ratio is 1 to 10.
Second, it was written by one person, IMHO by a very intelligent human, whereas teh Bible was written by many people.
Third, the Bible was supposedly severely altered by the early Church.

 

[Mikayeel]

The Quran is by all means LESS contradictory than the Bible.
First, it is significantly shorter, i thin the ratio is 1 to 10.
Second, it was written by one person, IMHO by a very intelligent human, whereas teh Bible was written by many people.
Third, the Bible was supposedly severely altered by the early Church.

I would make that a God free from all needs

I would be amongst the first ones to leave islam if i found out that the quran was written by a man!

 

[truemuslim]

The Quran is by all means LESS contradictory than the Bible.
First, it is significantly shorter, i thin the ratio is 1 to 10.
Second, it was written by one person, IMHO by a very intelligent human, whereas teh Bible was written by many people.
Third, the Bible was supposedly severely altered by the early Church.

HAH u have got to be kiddin me! if it was written by a human why wud there be so many muslims? because they dumb? no because they is smart! and relize the truth... islam wud be the worste religion if it was written by human

 

[minaz]

islam wud be the worste religion if it was written by human

The bibles were written (created) by humans- would that make it the worst religion? Or would that just imply Islam, as the fundamentals are given by god?

 

[truemuslim]

^ nooooo ... but the bible is SUPPOSED to be a word of god..

 

[truemuslim]

and some ppl go on and believe it is...

 

[guyabano]

all I know is, that no muslim is able to answer my question

 

[KAding]

I tend to agree with Pygloscesis and czgibson on this.

The fact that there are so many different interpretations of the Qu'ran even among devout Muslims does show that it essentially fails to convey the message perfectly. The whole existence of the book is puzzling itself. Indeed, why would any omnipotent entity need a method of communication as crude as a book or indeed a human Prophet?

On a more practical level, I always found the "there is no compulsion in religion" and Islamic rules on apostasy to be in contradiction.

 

[Trumble]

The whole existence of the book is puzzling itself. Indeed, why would any omnipotent entity need a method of communication as crude as a book or indeed a human Prophet?

Indeed. One of the huge questions that gets lost and forgotten among far more trivial ones. Why, for example, would God choose not to have Prophets among, and reveal the same book in, several cultures? If the Qur'an emerged independently in say the Middle East, Europe, China and India (obviously in the appropriate language) I'd be convinced. But it didn't; and to the atheists amongst us the reason why is pretty obvious.

 

[wilberhum]

Indeed. One of the huge questions that gets lost and forgotten among far more trivial ones. Why, for example, would God choose not to have Prophets among, and reveal the same book in, several cultures? If the Qur'an emerged independently in say the Middle East, Europe, China and India (obviously in the appropriate language) I'd be convinced. But it didn't; and to the atheists amongst us the reason why is pretty obvious.

I think the reason why is pretty obvious to agnostics too.

 

[Malaikah]

Indeed. One of the huge questions that gets lost and forgotten among far more trivial ones. Why, for example, would God choose not to have Prophets among, and reveal the same book in, several cultures? If the Qur'an emerged independently in say the Middle East, Europe, China and India (obviously in the appropriate language) I'd be convinced.

I don't think you would be convinced at all, most likely you would be coming up with more ways to tell God how to run things.

You and others have seen enough similarities between Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and yet you don't believe in any of them.

If the Quran did indeed appear in all these places, you and others like you would most likely just claim that they copied each other or come up with some other excuse.

Indeed, why would any omnipotent entity need a method of communication as crude as a book or indeed a human Prophet?

KAding,

All these 'why' questions get us no where - why did God send a book, why did God create us at all? Why this, why that... don't you think we know that God could have done it any way He wanted, but this is what He choose, and that is good enough for us. We know better than to think our human wisdom is anywhere near that of Gods.

On a more practical level, I always found the "there is no compulsion in religion" and Islamic rules on apostasy to be in contradiction.

It isn't a contradiction - the verse means there is no compulsion to enter Islam.

Muslims say, the Quaran is the perfect book. But how comes, more than half of the population do not find this book perfect? If God created humans and the perfect book, shouldn't not ALL humans have the same opinion ?

Firstly, because they haven't read it. Secondly, because they haven't read it in Arabic. Thirdly, not all hearts will be open to the truth.

I can speak to the general contradiction of the idea of a holy book though. If an all powerful God wished to be known, that God would be known. There would be no need for midlemen or messengers such as prophets or holy books.

You're assumption is wrong. You are assuming that God wanted to prove beyond doubt, 100%, clear as day, that He exists to His creation, and that the only way He could do that was by sending a book...

The fact that He sent Messenger and Holy Books just goes to show that what you claim is His wish was not His wish at all (at least not in the sense that His aim was to make it impossible to refute that He existed).

 

[guyabano]

... not all hearts will be open to the truth.

Which truth ? Most found their truth in something else. You will never be able to explain to a different believer that Islam is the only truth.

Muslims say, the Quaran is the perfect book. But how comes, more than half of the population do not find this book perfect? If God created humans and the perfect book, shouldn't not ALL humans have the same opinion ?

But exactly this statement says it all. IF the book would have been perfect, then it would have been accepted by ALL on this earth as God would have wanted it so, no?

Peace

 

[Mikayeel]

Subhanna allah!

Read what the quran says about this....

(5)Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. (6) Allâh has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allâh's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Suurat Al baqara


So here is your answer why not all humans have the same opinion.

 

[Malaikah]

Which truth ? Most found their truth in something else. You will never be able to explain to a different believer that Islam is the only truth.

Well, I might have never been able to do so, but others have - that is why many peple become Muslim.

But exactly this statement says it all. IF the book would have been perfect, then it would have been accepted by ALL on this earth as God would have wanted it so, no?

I disagree - the book might be perfect but humans are not. I mean, think of something like murder. It is so evil, everyone knows that. Does that stop people from doing it? No.

For whatever reason, people will reject the book, perhaps because they are too arrogant to believe, because they read the Quran but because they did not read it in Arabic or because they don't have sufficient background knowledge or even interest, they don't recognise it as the truth, maybe they are too determined to believe that Islam is wrong so when they read the book they don't even give it a chance.

Or, even worse, they read it in search of contradictions and the only reason they find 'contradictions' is because they are ignorant or have only a shallow or even incorrect understanding of what they are reading.

 

[guyabano]

Well, I might have never been able to do so, but others have - that is why many peple become Muslim.



I disagree - the book might be perfect but humans are not. I mean, think of something like murder. It is so evil, everyone knows that. Does that stop people from doing it? No.

For whatever reason, people will reject the book, perhaps because they are too arrogant to believe, because they read the Quran but because they did not read it in Arabic or because they don't have sufficient background knowledge or even interest, they don't recognise it as the truth, maybe they are too determined to believe that Islam is wrong so when they read the book they don't even give it a chance.

Or, even worse, they read it in search of contradictions and the only reason they find 'contradictions' is because they are ignorant or have only a shallow or even incorrect understanding of what they are reading.

Sure, but isn't that a little bit globalizing and also arrogant to pretend 'THIS IS THE ONLY TRUTH'. Sure, there can only be one truth, but what is this truth ?
I think, humans will never know it.

 

[Trumble]

You and others have seen enough similarities between Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and yet you don't believe in any of them.

All were founded within a relatively small geographical area, the first two in essentially the same place.

If the Quran did indeed appear in all these places, you and others like you would most likely just claim that they copied each other or come up with some other excuse.

Actually, I suspect you might find pretty much the whole world being muslim. However, it remains a hypothetical question because of course it didn't happen. 'Why' has yet to be addressed.

 

[ranma1/2]

HAH u have got to be kiddin me! if it was written by a human why wud there be so many muslims? because they dumb? no because they is smart! and relize the truth... islam wud be the worste religion if it was written by human

i swear TM isnt an actual muslim, anyone else get the impression that hes a troll thats or a POE. a very bad poe at that.