Hamas leader offers truce if Israel withdraws from 1967 lands

[Ninth_Scribe]

The Nephiliem are Giant supernatural demi-angels living in Cannan about 3000 BC.

Nephilim (nēfĭl`ĭm), in the Bible, Hebrew word of no known meaning, denoting peoples of gigantic stature with superhuman strength. The term is translated as "giants" in the Authorized Version. The Book of Genesis refers to Nephilim as the offspring of marriages between "daughters of humans" and "sons of God."

That's from a Greek mistranslation. Demi angels? Hahahahahaha! And I suppose you believe the Holy seed were angels who mated with humans? Please! I like the fairy tales, but they have nothing to do with Law. Ezra spoke of the Law and when he spoke of the Zerah Kodesh, he was addressing the human men of a specific lineage, as was Genesis and the Book of Deuteronomy 14:1 ~

You are the sons of God, you shall not cut yourselves nor make any baldness on your heads on acount of the dead.

The bene Elohim were 'men' and the Am Ha' Aretz were the 'people of the land' (eg: local products).

However, the myth and the matter agree on one point... the unions are unlawful:

Book of Ezra:

And they made proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of the captivity, that they should gather themselves together unto Jerusalem; and that whosoever did not come within three days, according to the counsel of the princes and the elders, all his substance should be forfeited, and himself separated from the congregation of the captivity.

All these had taken foreign wives; and some of them had wives by whom they had children.

And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them: 'Ye have broken faith, and have married foreign women, to increase the guilt of Israel.

There have been quite a number of mistakes that were made. If you listen to most encyclopedias, they're still circulating the myth that Azrael is the Angel of Death named in the Book of Tobit. Fact: The only angel named in that book is Raphael - and he wasn't an Angel of Death. I could cite thousands of others, but not on this forum.

Some things you might want to know about Nephalim:

Since the days of Genesis, inter-marriage outside the Zerah Kodesh had become a known cause of war, especially when children were born into the unions. Parental conflicts surrounding how the children would be raised, what language they would speak and which God they serve, caused domestic disputes that travelled quickly from parents, to families and often spread throughout entire neighborhoods, creating dissent among the people. The children who were born into the conflicts created by the mixed unions, would often refuse both parent's Gods when they came of age. They became a selfish and ungodly race, without morals, caring only for themselves.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[barney]

Soloman married Pharohs Daughter. Mixed marrages diddnt bother him.
The conversations over dinner would have been great.
"Hey honey, can you explain the Passover holiday again to me?"

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Soloman married Pharohs Daughter. Mixed marrages diddnt bother him.
The conversations over dinner would have been great.
"Hey honey, can you explain the Passover holiday again to me?"

It doesn't matter what Solomon thought. The issue is whether the mixed marriage was unlawful.

Book of Nehemiah, Chapter 13 verse 26:

Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, and he was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel; nevertheless even him did the foreign women cause to sin.

You're confusing the issue of Israel's borders with a selection on non-related ones. Maybe we should bow from the spotlight so we can take this "other" discussion up in private? I'd welcome this type of dialogue, but not in a thread concerning Israel's lawful or unlawful borders.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Gator]

9th,
Would you be ok with the compromise as outlined earlier.
Thanks.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

9th,
Would you be ok with the compromise as outlined earlier.
Thanks.

I will only defend the tribal lands of Benjamin and Judah by delivering a forgiveness and obtaining a permission from EVERY muslim group and scholar, al Qaeda's included. I will not consider the matter closed until it is fully agreed upon by all parties concerned and they are satisfied with the resolution.

Hamas could try to present their resolution but their group does not speak on behalf of all Palestinians and the state of Israel will not accept the offer because of that (Hamas cannot promise an end to all attacks - only their attacks).

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Gator]

Based on your answer, I'll put you down as a no. Thank you.

 

[wth1257]

When someone occupies your land, makes you a refugee in your own land, responds with armor piercing bullets when you resist; then maybe you would be able to understand their position. You are not as naive or stupid as you are pretending to be.

The targeting of civilians is always a war crime, dosen't matter if it's an Israeli soldier in the OTs, America dropping a neculear bomb on civilian cities, or Hammas lobbing rockets into Israeli civilian housing, it's wrong, all descent people should condemn it, no moral excuses can be made.

 

[Izyan]

The targeting of civilians is always a war crime, dosen't matter if it's an Israeli soldier in the OTs, America dropping a neculear bomb on civilian cities, or Hammas lobbing rockets into Israeli civilian housing, it's wrong, all descent people should condemn it, no moral excuses can be made.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets.

 

[barney]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets.

They were, but a demonstration explosion off the coast would have been more humane.

 

[MTAFFI]

They were, but a demonstration explosion off the coast would have been more humane.

but the explosion on the land ended the war... do you think one off the coast would have done the same? Keep in mind that our country has exploded hundreds upon hundreds of these bombs... a good reference is the movie Trinity and Beyond, really awesome documentary

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

The targeting of civilians is always a war crime, dosen't matter if it's an Israeli soldier in the OTs, America dropping a neculear bomb on civilian cities, or Hammas lobbing rockets into Israeli civilian housing, it's wrong, all descent people should condemn it, no moral excuses can be made.

Yes, but the U.N. and other world powers don't intervene on behalf of Palestine, and when they condemn Israel for it's unlawful behavior, it's only a verbal statement. When Iran threatens Israel, it's told it will be "obliterated" so there is a double standard here. That's why I don't count on them to produce a solution. Even if they did, there is a question of dignity.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Izyan]

They were, but a demonstration explosion off the coast would have been more humane.

The Japanese were letting their people starve to death during the blockade. Even after the US dropped the bomb military leaders were planning on usurping the emperor's power. No one really knew the power of an A bomb and I doubt an exposion off the coast would have persuaded the Japanese. Just my opinion.

 

[wth1257]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets.

how so?

 

[wth1257]

Yes, but the U.N. and other world powers don't intervene on behalf of Palestine, and when they condemn Israel for it's unlawful behavior, it's only a verbal statement. When Iran threatens Israel, it's told it will be "obliterated" so there is a double standard here. That's why I don't count on them to produce a solution. Even if they did, there is a question of dignity.

The Ninth Scribe

of course, I woulden't disagrea with anything here, all I would like to see everyone here agrea upon is that targeting civilians is wrong.

 

[barney]

The Japanese were letting their people starve to death during the blockade. Even after the US dropped the bomb military leaders were planning on usurping the emperor's power. No one really knew the power of an A bomb and I doubt an exposion off the coast would have persuaded the Japanese. Just my opinion.

The Japs were starving because of the US Navy Blockade. Well thats war, and i'm not condeming it. The war needed to be ended quickly.
The US did know that the bomb was going to have thousands of times more powere than the largest conventianal Grand Slam bomb then in existance. They tested one prior to Hiroshima.

I think one off the coast and a two day deadline to surrender. Yeah, I know even after the first one went off it was two more days before Nagasaki, but the yanks diddnt know that at the time.

Anyway, it ended a war that would have carried on for another 6 months and caused another million deaths.

 

[Izyan]

how so?

During World War II, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping.

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

 

[wth1257]

During World War II, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping.

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

by that rational woulden't Gaza be a military target?

I understand why the city had military signifigance, however military signifigance dosen't give a country a blank check to take it out, irrespective of civilian presence.

 

[Izyan]

by that rational woulden't Gaza be a military target?

I understand why the city had military signifigance, however military signifigance dosen't give a country a blank check to take it out, irrespective of civilian presence.

Actually yes Gaza would be a legit target. So would Tel Aviv, Chicago, Beruit, Paris, Rammestein, London and so on. You want to talk about a senseless bombing in WWII Dresden would be it.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Actually yes Gaza would be a legit target. So would Tel Aviv, Chicago, Beruit, Paris, Rammestein, London and so on. You want to talk about a senseless bombing in WWII Dresden would be it.

The type of discord humanity feels whenever holy law is disobeyed. People sometimes view divinity as some outside element, but it's really more involved than that. So you turn and tell your child: Don't stick your hand in the fire because it will get burned. The child does it any way because he doesn't know WHY fire will burn his hand.

Well, there is a reason why the most ancient of books didn't promote war as an annual sport. There are reasons why the religious scholars were appointed. We may not understand the reasons, but that changes nothing. So here we have it, fully unleashed like a lightning storm, and where on Earth is it supposed to actually end? It's like the scene from that movie, Men in Black, where "J" let's the flying disk loose.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Gator]

Yes, but the U.N. and other world powers don't intervene on behalf of Palestine, and when they condemn Israel for it's unlawful behavior, it's only a verbal statement. When Iran threatens Israel, it's told it will be "obliterated" so there is a double standard here. That's why I don't count on them to produce a solution. Even if they did, there is a question of dignity.

The Ninth Scribe

The U.N. and the other world governments threatened to obliterate Iran?