Both CAN’T be there :-o

[Ali.]

You avoided the question bro.

Well I kind of answered it indirectly.

Bad music - e.g. the ones I mentioned above I think with the Shaytan.

There is a clear wrong with that type of music - but what's wrong with classical?

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Well I kind of answered it indirectly.

Bad music - e.g. the ones I mentioned above I think with the Shaytan.

There is a clear wrong with that type of music - but what's wrong with classical?

I see it now. Let me ask a further question: Will classical (anything that "calms") music be with Prophet and Messengers on the Day of Judgement?

 

[Ali.]

I see it now. Let me ask a further question: Will classical (anything that "calms") music be with Prophet and Messengers on the Day of Judgement?

I don't know who it will be with.

 

[suffiyan007]

Yeah that's true...classical or opera music, are ok for listening... for the listeners...and i heard lotsa arabian dances music....are this haram...? music are held in ancient arabian times...they play the flutes...but it doesnt mean haram...my country lotsa people playing kompang(malay instrument),seruling,serunai...and etc...and i heard lotsa chinese classical music play with gun zheng...(chinese piano)...and chinese guitar..and er hu...!
and listens to indian tamil songs....nothing wrong for listening for music...even though u r going fo Spa massage they put light n easy music calm ya nerve and mood...!...

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

P.S. Sorry for being an annoyance.

You're not being an annoyance

I don't know who it will be with - unless somebody can convince me, I'm not really seeing any wrong in classical music.

There are many ways I can try and convince you. I can provide for you verses and ahadeeth and quotes from the Companions and the Imaams of the Muslims from the first three generations that are at the epitome of explicitness about their understanding of the ahadeeth and Qur'anic verses regarding the forbiddence of musical instruments and singing. Question is bro, will you accept them?

The music we have today didn't even exist in the Prophet (PBUH)'s times - so how could there be hadith's on it etc.?

You're right - the likes of our music definetly did not exist then. What existed was a much simpler form of music and singing with simpler instruments which I would dare say, did not entice the soul as the music of today does - yet the forbiddence of it is clear and there is a consensus amongst the Companions regarding the forbiddence of mazaaif (musical instruments) and ghinaa (singing). So when something that was much lesser in amount and effect was forbidden, then does it not naturally follow that what is greater is also forbidden?

Secondly Akhee, for the sake of this discussion, I'll say your point may be valid - there may be some small benefit in classical music. Yet, I feel you may have overlooked the reason why wine and gambling is forbidden. Does not Allaah say about it:

{They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."}[al-Baqarah; 219]

Isn't it haraam even though there is present in it a small amount of benefit? Aren't the harms and evils of music evident in present day society? Isn't the fact that it takes people away from the Qur'an enough of an evil to outweigh all other benefit that it may contain?

 

[suffiyan007]

huhu...i u wanna know...better see Aladdin cartoon or Ali baba and the forty thieves..huhu...just kidding..lotsa arabian music...if music haram in quran...why arabian still playing music...like flutes,drums..and etc...! are they jahilliyah?

 

[Ali.]

There are many ways I can try and convince you. I can provide for you verses and ahadeeth and quotes from the Companions and the Imaams of the Muslims from the first three generations that are at the epitome of explicitness about their understanding of the ahadeeth and Qur'anic verses regarding the forbiddence of musical instruments and singing. Question is bro, will you accept them?

The problem with hadiths is that they were written a while after the Prophet (PBUH) died; which left plenty of room for lies. That is the sole reason why I want solid evidence from the Qur'an.

So when something that was much lesser in amount and effect was forbidden, then does it not naturally follow that what is greater is also forbidden?

Sorry bro', could you please rephrase that into slightly simpler English? Lol I'm only a teen.

Secondly Akhee, for the sake of this discussion, I'll say your point may be valid - there may be some small benefit in classical music. Yet, I feel you may have overlooked the reason why wine and gambling is forbidden. Does not Allaah say about it:

{They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."}[al-Baqarah; 219]

Isn't it haraam even though there is present in it a small amount of benefit? Aren't the harms and evils of music evident in present day society? Isn't the fact that it takes people away from the Qur'an enough of an evil to outweigh all other benefit that it may contain?

True...


Definitely something to dwell upon; thanks bro' :thumbs_up

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

We can listened to such music. Songs that can make people careless is prohibited are like metalicca, sepultera,slipknot....and etc.......and
listen to these kind of music meaning is like following satan....in islam i know...
But in other way of thinking,music doesnt mean have to be offend to God...
Music is universal,and Music are like our mood and feelings....we get anger so we listened to rock or metal,we sad we listening to happy funny songs,we in love and we hear love songs...and we on our spiritual time we can listened to Nasheed and etc! Right...folks.

We can do everything,but we can know whats right and wrong....
if can make decision talk to God.he wills help you...right....! music and Quran...are equally OK for me...!

Akhee,

Let me re-phrase these statements and then tell me whether you agree with them or not:

'We can drink. Drinking that makes people drunk is prohhibited and drinking like this is like following satan'
'But in other way of thinking, drinking doesnt mean have to be offensive to God'
'Drinking is universal and drinking are like our moods and feelings'
'We get angry so we drink beer'
'we are happy/love we drink wine'
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Honestly, does this make sense? Why the laxness in music and not in other haraam? Because, all the points you are putting forth can just as easily be applied to wine, gambling, and zinaa.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

The problem with hadiths is that they were written a while after the Prophet (PBUH) died; which left plenty of room for lies. That is the sole reason why I want solid evidence from the Qur'an.

This is a misconception bro, propagated by the ill informed 'Qur'an-only' sect. This was never the belief of the Muslims before this generation, because the Muslims actually had access to the sciences of hadeeth. So don't be fooled by these people and believe them, until you've sat down yourself and studied the science for yourself. Then you can decide correctly Insha'Allaah . Doesn't it make more sense to educate ourselves about something first, before we pass judgment upon it? Surely, we would not pass judgment upon a prescription given to us by a doctor when we haven't studied medicine, right akhee?

So, the ahadeeth were written down just as the Qur'an was written down, and there were many compilations in the first century itself, by the Companions of the Prophet themselves.

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=434&section=indepth&subsection=Hadeeth

The ahadeeth have been preserved in the exact same way that the Qur'an has been preserved, i.e. memorization and chains of narration and writing them down.

Sorry bro', could you please rephrase that into slightly simpler English? Lol I'm only a teen.

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

Here:

So when something that was much lesser in amount and effect was forbidden, then does it not naturally follow that what is greater is also forbidden?

Music was forbidden when it was not as widespread as it is today, and when its effects were much lesser than the effects it has today (with the technology and all). So how can it be permissible now, when its effects have become much more?

 

[suffiyan007]

i agreed music haram....if you watch television,music are surrounded you....
music you can listen when u are in tension or stress.. just to relax and relieve all the tension and stress...to have a peaceful i know taking ablution water and pray....is the best way...music doesnt mean really following Satan. i have heard my local there lotsa islamic music in my country, singing song about Allah in Rap, Ballad,and etc...to praise Allah....my country also have nasheed..sang by local people here....i dont say until drinking beer and eating pork or zina.That all are falsehood... i know haram taking all kind of things...even smoking is haram... silent suicide...!why the world have music?
We recite our Quran have tajwid the pattern to recite quran...learn how to understand kasrah,fathah,dammah...sound!...even now these day people playing piano,violin,saxaphone,and etc? that mean playing instruments also haram...! so the western must not invented music instruments! and also the eastern music instruments....! China have lotsa music play by their traditional instrument...lotsa muslim in China play Er hu,gun zheng..and etc...i know is Haram...but we can't runaway from music even we listened to radio also music...!

 

[suffiyan007]

a'uzubillahi minas syaitanir Rajim!

 

[al Amaanah]

music you can listen when u are in tension or stress.. just to relax and relieve all the tension and stress

what? u cant compare words of music with the words of the Quran. if ure stressing, listen to the quran.

 

[suffiyan007]

i agreed...i also listened to Quran recite in my cd player...

what i gonna tell is....music give us excitement and feeling sensation...
Music is everywhere....i never compared words and quran...! but i like world music and Quran...Even i listen to Andrea Bocelli songs, enya,Charlotte church,Russell watson,Ali cheb,Yusuf islam(cat stevens)songs....Sheikh Afasy meshari songs...and etc... there are muslim in music icon..still making music...
and earn living...for life...

Working in music field like songwriter,lyricist,singer,dancer,and etc.....is to earn living...! you got a voice u should sing....a song..i know in islam muslimah are haram to sing...cause aurat ! but people everywhere making music for money...and earn living...!:exhausted

 

[suffiyan007]

u should Ask paula Abdul to stop singing and making music...she's muslim...!

 

[al Amaanah]

what does that mean? that if she sings and shes a muslim, its permitted in islaam? nah bro, i should ask u to stop listening to music insha Allah.

 

[suffiyan007]

can u tell me that u never listen to radio and watch tv....?

 

[Güven]

^There is a Difference Between Hearing Music And Listening Music

 

[suffiyan007]

she is a muslimah...i mean paula abdul...and she still going strong in her music career? she making haram thing..so how...?

 

[al Amaanah]

lol what has that to do with it? if i did something that goes against islaam (which we all did and still are doing, we are sinners and the best of those who sin is the one who repents) doesnt mean its correct bro.

 

[Güven]

What Do you Meaan How ? She is Doing SOmething Bad , That She Is A Muslimah Doesnt Mean Everything She does Is HAlal