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    Science proofs the existence of God

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    All Praise be to Allah. We praise Him, ask for His Help and repent to Him. We seek Allah’s protection from the evils of our souls and the bad of our deeds. Whomever Allah guides will never be misguided and whomever Allah misguides will never be guided. I testify that there is no deity but Allah, with Whom thee is no associate. I testify that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger. May Allah bless him, his family, his Companions and those who follow them until the Day of Resurrection.

    Koran 45:3. Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe.
    4. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered through the earth, are Signs for those of assured Faith.

    Some people do not believe in the existence of a Creator. They think that the Evolution Theory is a fact and that science supports it, while in reality this is not the case. Hundreds of thousands scientists are against the Evolution Theory because its not proven and it goes against the scientific facts. That's why its called a theory. When we were, in kindergarten theytaught us that a frog, turning into a prince was a nurseryfairytale, but when we got to college they toldus that a, frog turning into a prince was science!' We will proof them with one singel cell, that there is a Almighty Creator Insha'Allah.

    Your body contains more than 100.000.000.000.000 cells, some so small that 1.000.000 of them brought together would fit on the tip of a needle. Despite this tiny size, however, the cell is considered by the scientific community as the most complex structure man has ever come across. W. H. Thorpe, an evolutionist scientist, acknowledges that, 'The most elementary type of cell constitutes a 'mechanism' unimaginably more complex than any machine yet thought up, let alone constructed, by man'. [W. R. Bird, The Origin of Species Revisited, Thomas Nelson, p. 298 and 299].

    Koran 13:16. Say, 'Allah is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible'.


    Is it possible?
    Robert Shapiro, a professor of chemistry at New York University and a DNA expert, calculated the probability of the coincidental formation of the 2000 types of proteins found in a single bacterium [There are 200,000 different types of proteins in a human cell]. The number that was found was 1 over 10/40000. [Robert Shapiro, Origins, A Sceptics Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, New York, Summit Books, 1986. p.127]. This is an incredible number obtained by putting 40,000 zeros after the 1!

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    So many attempts would fail to create a singel bacterium and only 1 attempt would succeed. A one followed by six zeros is a million, look at the numbers above! Subhan'Allah! This is nothing compared to what you will read now. Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist, gave a far more realistic 'Probability' for a single bacterium. He calculated the odds of a single bacterium emerging from the basic building blocks necessary were 1 chance in 10/100.000.000.000. [Cited in Mark Eastman, Chuck Missler, The Creator Beyond Time and Space, Costa Mesa, CATWFT, 1996, Page 61]. This is a 1 followed by 100.000.000.000 zeros! This number is so large it would require a library of approximately 100,000 books just to write it out! Allahu Akbar! Wallahie tell me, how can someone reject Allah after reading this?

    Koran 7:40. To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle, Such is Our reward for those in sin.

    Emile Borel said, 'If anything is ten to the 50th power [A 1 followed by 50 Zeros] or less chance, it will never happen, even cosmically, in the whole universe'. [Emile Borel, Nobel Prize Winner, Probabilities and Life. New York Dover 1962. Ch. 1 to 3]. So what about 100.000.000.000 zeros? And again, this whas nothing compared to what you are going to read now.

    The science of probability has not been favorable to evolutionary theory, even with the theory's loose time restraints. Dr. James Coppedge, of the Center for Probability Research in Biology in California, made some amazing calculations. Dr. Coppedge applied all the laws of probability studies to the possibility of a single cell coming into existence by chance. He considered in the same way a single protein molecule, and even a single gene. His discoveries are revolutionary. He computed a world in which the entire crust of the earth - all the oceans, all the atoms, and the whole crust were available. He then had these amino acids bind at a rate one and one half trillion times faster than they do in nature. In computing the possibilities, he found that to provide a single protein molecule by chance combination would take 10, to the 262nd power, years'. That is, the number 1 followed by 262 zeros.

    'To get a single cell - the single smallest living cell known to mankind - which is called the mycroplasm hominis H39, would take 10, to the 119,841st power, years. That means that if you took thin pieces of paper and wrote 1 and then wrote zeros after it, you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could ever even write that number. That is how many years it would take to make one living cell, smaller than any human cell!' Subhan Allah! Look at how clear Islam is and how dark the way is that the atheists follow.

    The reason they reject Allah is not because they don't know. They do known, and the reason is that they don't want to believe. They don't want to believe in God, and they take the devils as their friends. Those devils misguid them and still they think that they are on the truth. Look at those numbers, how can someone reject the Almighty Creator? Allah has allways been there and He is not created. Allah made the truth like the day and falsehood like the dark night. Even a blind man can see the straight path of Islam.

    Koran 6:39. Those who reject our sings are deaf and dumb, in the midst of darkness profound. Whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander. Whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
    Koran 8:23. If Allah had found in them any good, He would indeed have made them listen. As it is, if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined Faith.

    According to Emile Borel, an expert in the area of probability, an event on the cosmic level with a probability of less than 1 out of 10, to the 50th power, will not happen. The probability of producing one human cell by chance is 10, to the 119,000 power. Sir Fred Hoyle, a mathematician and astronomer, was quoted in Nature magazine, November 12, 1981, as saying, 'The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way (Evolution) is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'.

    Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts. No evolutionist can object to these numbers. They accept that the probability of the coincidental formation of a single protein is as unlikely as the possibility of a monkey writing the history of humanity on a typewriter without making any mistakes'. [Inheritance and Evolution, Meteksan Publishing 1984, p. 64].

    Hugh Ross estimates that the chances of ONE planet in the universe developing life is one in ten to the 282nd power (million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion).

    Now let us look at molecules. A single drop of blood has 35,000,000 red blood cells. A single red blood cell has 280,000,000 hemoglobin molecules, each molecule having 10,000 atoms. Molecules are so small that ¼ teaspoon of water has 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 of them. De Nouy provides another illustration for arriving at a single molecule of high dissymmetry through chance action and normal thermic agitation. He assumes 500 trillion shakings per second plus a liquid material volume equal to the size of the earth. For one molecule it would require '10/243 billions of years'. [A 1 followed by 243 zeros]. Even if this molecule did somehow arise by chance, it is still only one single molecule. Hundreds of millions are needed, requiring compound probability calculations for each successive molecule. His logical conclusion is that 'It is totally impossible to account scientifically for all phenomena pertaining to life'. [Cited in Evan Shute, Flaws in the Theory of Evolution Nutley, NJ Craig Press, 1971, Page 23].

    This was only a bacterium, what about the Great Creation of the heavens and the earth? This means that it is not possible for the cell to have come into being by coincidence, and therefore it must definitely have been created. In the Creation of God are Signs, for people of understanding. Look at your eyes, nose, fingers, ears, lips etc. Who created this? You cannot live more than a few minuts, without your nose. This is enough proof, to bury Darwin with his monkey theory under the ground.


    Conclusion
    This is suficient prove that God does exist, because not even an atom can come into being by chance. So who Created it? The only answer is Allah, the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. There is no doubt about this. Since God cannot be a monkey, an idol made of sand, a blue elephant flying on a carpet with 9 hands, a prophet who used to eat and go to toilet, a ghost etc (Astagfirullah) therefore Allah must be the Creator of everything. All books who claimed to be a revelation from God, are full of errors and contradictions today, except the Qur'an. This is enoug proof that it must be a revelation from God. The Bible for example is full of errors and contradictions.

    The Christians don't even know who wrote those books. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible, each one is different. So how do we know which ons is the right one? Secondly they don't even know their God. Some of them say that Jesus was God, others reject that. Some of them say Maria was the mother of God, and other Christians reject that. Some say the Holy Ghost is God, and others reject it. Some say Jesus died on the cross, other say on a tree etc. So how do we know who is speaking the truth? Each one of them has his own proofs because each one has a different Bible. The book of the Muslims is one and our God is one and our prophet was one.

    There can be only one God, because God is the strongest. There cannot be 2 or 3 strongest. So if another being is stronger than you, then you cannot be God. This is what Islam teaches, and this is the truth, accept Islam and all your sins will fall away from the day you accept Islam. You will be born again like a baby, without sins. Don't die, except as a Muslim.

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    Imagine if you took part in a lottery. The chances of you buying the winning ticket are 50 million to one. Amazingly, you win. A friend comes up to you and says, "Ah, you must have rigged the lottery, because the chance of you winning was so small." According to your reasoning, the friend would definitely be right. What do you think?
    The chance that you win the lottery every week for the next 80 years is 2.420.796× greater than the chance that 1 cell comes into existance by chance! You haven't refuted anything. You only gave your opinion. Who are you? I have given the quotes of the greatest scientists of this time. We don't need your opinion, just refute that those scientists are wrong and the give me proofs that a cell come into ixistence by chance. That's it. We are still waiting.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Only undedicated and/or closed minded people assume that evolution denies god. I have one simple question. 100 million year old rocks contain dinosaur bones but we don’t find 100 year old elephant bones. Today we have elephants but no dinosaurs. How can that be?
    You beleive God created us yet yiu deny the fact that Allah has power to make new organisms out of nothing. The laws of thermodynamics dont work with Allah.


    So if Allah wanted he could make the dinosaurs extinct and have elephants appear out of thin air. Kun fauakun.

    To understand better read about the cambium explosion
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    Re: God does exist

    Greetings Battle 4 Peace,

    Since you obviously haven't understood anything I've written, and have chosen not to answer any of my questions, I'll say goodbye now.

    Let me know if you manage to convince any non-Muslims with your banal arguments!

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    czgibson you may have pure intentions at heart but when you want to learn open up your heart dont be biased
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    I'd like to request that all members be respectful in discussions. No one has the right to tell someone else that they are not welcome on the forum. This forum is for everyone to learn and understand Islam and discuss with other Muslims. Please drop the insults.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Soldier View Post
    czgibson you may have pure intentions at heart but when you want to learn open up your heart dont be biased
    Well I agree with this point
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    Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong. There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium. You believe that all this occured by chance, tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Hussein radi View Post
    Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong. There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium. You believe that all this occured by chance, tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
    I'm not trying to argue against you brother, but people used to believe that the world was flat....a long time ago...

    So to use the above argument is baseless on the main argument...If u gets me...
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    Re: God does exist

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    Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts. No evolutionist can object to these numbers.
    Just a word on these numbers - czgibson is quite right.


    They are most certainly not "definite and concrete facts". Whatever the mathematics involved, the accuracy of the result depends on the accuracy of the input, and in all these cases that is barely more than pure guesswork - we remain unsure as to what factors were involved at all, let alone which were the most important, and what the probabilities actually are/were. Virtually any specialist is likely to disagree with some of the 'input' here, so of course they can be disputed - and rightly so. That doesn't mean that the numbers aren't very large, and the probabilities very improbable. They probably are, but the figures quoted have nothing like the authority - or the acceptance - that Battle_4_Peace suggests.

    The implication that evolution/neo-Darwinism has somehow been "proven" to be false, but that this is somehow suppressed in the interests of promoting atheism is complete rubbish. IF the point is ever reached at which empirical evidence suggests evolution as a scientific theory should be rejected, it WILL be rejected. That might mean somebody comes up with a better theory (better because it better fits the empirical evidence), or it may just be a single piece of evidence that shows it to be false, and that a return to the "drawing-board" is required. But neither has happened, or really looks like happening at present.
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    Re: God does exist

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Hussein radi View Post
    Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong.
    What an amazing argument! How long did it take you to come up with that?

    There are billions of people who believe in god and few million people believe in athesium.
    This is an example of the well-known fallacy argumentum ad populum. I could use the same fallacy to make the following baseless argument: "there are more non-Muslims in the world than Muslims; therefore the non-Muslims must be right."
    You believe that all this occured by chance,
    Do I?

    Why are you telling me what you think I believe?

    tell me what are the chances of you picking a human who believes in athesium rather then human who believes in god.
    I'm sure it's more likely that I'll pick someone who believes in god, since more people believe in god than don't. What point are you trying to make?

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    Czgibson, whoever believes in god is right and whoever believes in athesium is wrong.


    What an amazing argument! How long did it take you to come up with that?
    Czgibson, that's how some Muslims think.
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    Re: God does exist

    Greetings,
    format_quote Originally Posted by Islamic Kuri View Post
    Czgibson, that's how some Muslims think.
    I don't doubt that, but it's an opinion and not a proper argument.

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    I don't doubt that, but it's an opinion and not a proper argument.
    Well...Its an argument from a Muslims point of view.
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    Greetings,
    format_quote Originally Posted by Islamic Kuri View Post
    Well...Its an argument from a Muslims point of view.
    An argument, if it's a good one, should have the same logical and persuasive force no matter what opinion you have.

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    An argument, if it's a good one, should have the same logical and persuasive force no matter what opinion you have.
    It has enough logic and force, as it has the Qur'an and Hadith by its side

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    hawai1xg - God does exist

    Let us ask brother czgibson if this words can come into existence by chance. Yes or No? I'll wait for you answer.
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    czgibson, There are more people who believe in god then those who don't, you admitted it your self. so, how can they be wrong. My point is that god exists. And for your information Islam is the fastest growing religion.
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    i think some people here should stop being so disrespectful and talking about czgibson as if he cant see your posts..

    i personally dont see the problem with evolution, as long as it is not applied to humans. as far as i know, Allah swt said that he created adam... thus man did not evolve... but are there any references that say that he also created plants, trees, bacteria, animals etc... isnt it possible that they sould have evolved with Gods help?

    does any one have any evidence that says clearly that Allah swt created life other than humans, rather than letting it evolve?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by cheese View Post


    i think some people here should stop being so disrespectful and talking about czgibson as if he cant see your posts..
    czgibson is actually very polite, lets not be rude to hiM
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