2 people kill 14 in USA

[Logikon]

In the meantime the National Rifle Association "NRA" are loving this story.

At first the world thought this was an American "going postal". If that were true, the NRA would once again be embarrassed by the slack gun laws.

Instead, this massacre was done by Muslim jihadies.

As a result, the NRA can encourage more people to buy guns to protect themselves against Muslim jihadies!

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Hmm, yes, like the world, before the facts, I thought this was probably a right-wing extremist gone cray-cray when the story was first outed! Tragic, I thought. Only the next morning I was stunned into disbelief when I read it was Muslims!

Someone always profits from someone's tragedy, only in this case, maybe NRA, as you said.

Hmm, right-wing Trump promoters are already going to be buying guns with or without Muslim jihadists in the picture because they won't let no darn liberal tell them otherwise!

That said, I don't know if there will truly be a surge in numbers because of Muslim jihadists alone because you also have cray-cray like James Holmes in the Colorado movie theater shooting people down or the Sueng-Hui Cho shooting up Virgina Tech and so on and so forth type incidents that make right-wingers feel unsafe and eager to promote the Second Amendment right among fellow Americans.

In the meantime the National Rifle Association "NRA" are loving this story.

At first the world thought this was an American "going postal". If that were true, the NRA would once again be embarrassed by the slack gun laws.

Instead, this massacre was done by Muslim jihadies.

As a result, the NRA can encourage more people to buy guns to protect themselves against Muslim jihadies!

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[syed_z]

Asalaam O Alaikum... found some more info on this, so would like to share....there is still no hard evidence linking them to any terrorist group...


http://www.dawn.com/news/1224361


California mass shooters discreet, devout Muslims: attorneys

LOS ANGELES: Attorneys representing the family of the California mass shooters described the couple on Friday as devout Muslims but said there was no sign they had become radicalised.
Syed Farook, 28, and his 27-year-old wife Tashfeen Malik died in a shootout with police, hours after killing 14 people at a year-end party organised by Farook's employer in San Bernardino on Wednesday.
The FBI said the shooting, the deadliest in the country in three years, was being treated as an “act of terrorism” but there was no evidence yet linking the pair to a network.
“There is no sign that the alleged shooters belonged to a larger organisation or a terrorist cell,” David Chesley, one of two attorneys representing the family, told a news conference.
The family's attorneys said the couple, who lived in a townhouse with their baby daughter and Farook's mother, were quiet and kept to themselves.
Chesley said Tashfeen, who met Farook on an online dating site in 2013 and married him a year later in Saudi Arabia, was traditional and devout.
“There is very little information we have about her,” he said, describing her as a “typical housewife.”
Attorney Mohammad Abuershaid said few people came in contact with Tashfeen, who was born in Pakistan, wore the full-face veil and did not drive.
'Soft-spoken'

“The women (in the family) communicated with her. Farook didn't want anyone else to talk to her,” Abuershaid said.
“She was very soft-spoken and nice.”

When Farook's family members came to visit, he said, the women sat in one room and the men in another. “This is a very traditional way of acting,” Abuershaid said.
“So the men did not interact with her.”

He said the men in the family had never seen Tashfeen's face as she wore the burqa, or full-face veil.
“They just knew her as Syed's wife,” he said.

The attorneys said the family was aware that Farook had guns but didn't think much of that as he had acquired them legally and enjoyed target practice.
“As a gun owner myself, I probably have 4,000 to 5,000 rounds that I keep at home,” Chesley said.

“And the reason we buy them in bulk, is they're cheaper that way.”

He and Abuershaid said Farook's family were interviewed for four hours on Thursday by FBI agents trying to piece together what prompted the carnage.
“If there's anything remarkable about the (interview) that took place yesterday, it is that no ties (to extremist groups) could really be established to the point of frustration on the part of the FBI,” Chesley said.

He also appeared to downplay reports that Tashfeen had posted a message on Facebook around the time of the attacks expressing support for the leader of the militant Islamic State group.

“The entire world is digging for information and the most we've gotten so far is somebody looked at something on Facebook,” Chesley said.

 

[syed_z]

Salaam... anyone who is here from Pakistan and has lived long enough over there would agree that Al Huda Institute teaches Islam and not extremism ...and this girl had studied there....also the institute also has its offices in United States doing Islamic Dawah....CNN is saying that this girl radicalized the boy....

http://www.dawn.com/news/1224752
California shooter studied at Al-Huda institute: teacher

MULTAN: The woman who, with her husband, shot dead 14 people in California last week attended one of the most high-profile religious teaching centres for women in Pakistan, a teacher at the Al-Huda institute told AFP Monday.
Tashfeen Malik, 29, studied at the Al-Huda Institute in Multan, which admits middle-class women and also has offices in the US, the UAE, India and the UK, the teacher at the teaching centre who gave her name only as Muqadas said.
"It was a two-year course, but she did not finish it," the teacher Muqadas said. "She was a good girl. I don't know why she left and what happened to her."
The teacher did not say when Malik studied at the Al-Huda institute, but fellow classmates at the Bahauddin Zakariya University said she had attended the institute after classes at the university, which she attended from 2007-2013.
Read: Fissures in the middle

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Farhat Hashmi’s organisation, Al-Huda institute, has no known extremist links, though it has come under fire in the past from critics who say its ideology is extremist in nature.
Malik and her husband Syed Farook, 28, went on a killing spree at a social services centre in San Bernardino. Investigators suspect that Malik, who went to the United States (US) on a fiancee's visa and spent extended periods of time in both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, may have radicalised her husband.
The probe is trying to establish if she had contact with radicals in either country.

 

[syed_z]

Witnesses Saw There were 3 Suspects, witnesses told police they saw 3 men with what appeared to be long rifles...

This is the initial reporting of CNN which just got overshadowed by "Muslim Killers" when Muslim couple got killed...

 

[syed_z]

This is the witness account ..... she says they were 3, athletic built and looked white...

 

[DanEdge]

In the meantime the National Rifle Association "NRA" are loving this story...
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Greetings,

I'm still not sure what I think about US gun laws, but I had a conversation with a customer on the phone today that made me think about it:

The customer was from California and lived near where the attacks took place. In the course of our conversation, she asked if I was scared for myself because of what happened. I said, "No, not really." She asked "Why?" I said the first thing that came to my mind: "Well, everyone here in South Carolina has guns. If I was a terrorist, I wouldn't attack a civilian population where everyone has guns. I'd get killed before I accomplished my mission."

--Dan Edge

 

[Akingfisher]

Clear dawah has been made and Islam takes up possibly 20-50% the news, in this age of internet, Britain and the U.S would be amongst the last places on the planet to claim that nobody had a chance to learn and walk aright
You'd have to research the details of how the Prophet pbuh and khulafa would offer the option to allow dawah under Islamic rule, but how once the leadership refused, the whole nation would be considered enemy territory,
If you're the pro-kafir liberal type and think that was too long ago, and you need kufr examples to make you reflect, you'd need to look at how Afghanistan was attacked in the name of "handing over usama" despite the fact that there was no evidence of wrongdoing on his part, and how thousands of people who couldn't even read and write (let alone afford a T.V set) slaughtered despite never having heard of 9/11 which later turned out to be a false flag.

There is a pertinent responsibility of the people to pay attention to what is happening, and to take full responsibility for the crimes of their government when they claim to live in a democracy controlled by the people.
In a democracy, the people are a syndicate.
Ask yourself if the babies who have been bombed by nato in Syria, iraq, afganistan, yemen and the scores of other countries that have been bombed in the past decade alone have a chance to grow up and learn, ask yourself whether your government has a right to provoke a war and slaughter it's people.
the people have a right to establish the laws of Allah without your governments hiring puppets to harm them and using the media to scare everyone about sheraya law and hand chopping, we don't go on about the fact that you electrocute and gas people to death if the capital punishment is justly due in your country, why did you provoke wars and then start pretending to care when you don't, why didn't you take the fire worshippers and the sodomites and the atheists rather than use them as propaganda capital, then after filming slaughters that you carefully and purposefully fomented, pretend that you care about Muslim refugees and make them out to be helpless pitiful sods that you were being charitable to?

Think, repent, walk aright, quick. The people of Jonah had a lot less time than you, but the king came down from his throne and told everyone to repent of their crimes against God - and when they sincerely repented with the intention to walk aright, God forgave them despite the punishment having been set.

I think your whole reply is a self righteous cop out!

How can you seriously believe that news about Islam and Muslims appearing on TV, the internet etc., is an adequate form of Dawah?

Also, on another thread I explained about 'Elitist Democracy' and that the people do not control it!

I also pointed out that many Muslims praise the 'magnificent 19' hijackers who did 9/11. Why would they do that?

 

[Abz2000]

I think your whole reply is a self righteous cop out!

How can you seriously believe that news about Islam and Muslims appearing on TV, the internet etc., is an adequate form of Dawah?

Also, on another thread I explained about 'Elitist Democracy' and that the people do not control it!

I also pointed out that many Muslims praise the 'magnificent 19' hijackers who did 9/11. Why would they do that?

Read the Quran, study Islam. You're in an age where the media present it to you in a skewed light, and they regularly present it to you, and you know that they present it in a skewed light, therefore there must be something to it that they fear will overcome their corruption - simple logic tells you that you need to read up on it - the media give wonderful dawah for those endued with an intellect and the ability to reason, they got me studying studiously, thousands of Americans studied and accepted Islam after 9/11/01 - why are you lagging behind?

You might want to ask yourself why there were israelis dressed up as arabs cheering too?
Not much towards understanding facts is it?
Seek the truth.


Edit: coincidence, was just teaching the kids basic trigonometry and it naturally went on to algebra, presented a rightangle triangle, gave them 45* as one angle, explained that three angles in a triangle make 180* and a rightangle is 90*, X automatically gave them 180-90-45. The american government and british mi5 prefer 60+60+60 in their seals.
It also showed that people without a foundation to calculate from are usually clueless and run around trying to measure every incident separately whereas for those with a basic and accurate foundational knowledge (fundamentalists), it comes easily though it appears strange. Read the Quran and the biographies of the prophet pbuh, they wont be able to fling you about as in a tempest.

22.*And Satan will say when the matter is decided: "It was Allah Who gave you a promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with Allah. For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty."
23.*But those who believe and work righteousness will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow,- to dwell therein for aye with the leave of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: "Peace!"
24.*Seest thou not how Allah sets forth a parable? - A goodly word like a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches (reach) to the heavens,- of its Lord. So Allah sets forth parables for men, in order that they may receive admonition.
25.*It brings forth its fruit at all times, by the leave of its Lord. So Allah sets forth parables for men, in order that they may receive admonition.
26.*And the parable of an evil Word is that of an evil tree: It is torn up by the root from the surface of the earth: it has no stability.
27.*Allah will establish in strength those who believe, with the word that stands firm, in this world and in the Hereafter; but Allah will leave, to stray, those who do wrong: Allah doeth what He willeth.

 

[Akingfisher]

Read the Quran, study Islam. You're in an age where the media present it to you in a skewed light, and they regularly present it to you, and you know that they present it in a skewed light, therefore there must be something to it that they fear will overcome their corruption - simple logic tells you that you need to read up on it - the media give wonderful dawah for those endued with an intellect and the ability to reason, they got me studying studiously, thousands of Americans studied and accepted Islam after 9/11/01 - why are you lagging behind?

You might want to ask yourself why there were israelis dressed up as arabs cheering too?
Not much towards understanding facts is it?
Seek the truth.

So according to you, the kaffar media does the work of Dawah for Muslims/Islam!

When it takes apparently many many years of concerted study for Muslims themselves to become an Imam or Sheikh!

You might want to ask yourself why there were israelis dressed up as arabs cheering too?
Not much towards understanding facts is it?

So the apparent Muslims who praise the 'magnificent 19' do so knowing that they were the hated Jews dressed up as Arabs?

Google 'magnificent 19 al muhajiroun' Al-Muhajiroun (Arabic: المهاجرون

 

[Abz2000]

Maybe they don´t know their own religion enough well but believe those extremists whose teach them to thirst for blood of everybody whose disagree with them - both non-Muslims and Muslims.

Who did you see cheering like drunks at the whitehouse when they murdered a man against whom they had no charges for the events on 9/11, and who did you see cheering when they murdered anwar and then his 16 year old son? Were the media horrified and did they show their families mourning over and over again? It was the white house and it's puppet illusionists in the lamestream media who were rejoicing.
More people prayed janazah globally for anwar than for any other scholar of this century, yet those glued to the t.v were duped by the penny for a dozen "scholars" who chat rubbish on t.v.
But then, it's not easy for those who see kuffar leaders as their lords to make the connection or contrast because they see those foolish leaders as the ultimate authority when it comes to disciplining Muslims.

 

[sister herb]

Brother, if others behave badly or disrespectfully or don´t understand nothing about manners or their religion or are happy about murders, it doesn´t mean that we should be similar and behave as bad ways like they do.

 

[Abz2000]

So according to you, the kaffar media does the work of Dawah for Muslims/Islam!

When it takes apparently many many years of concerted study for Muslims themselves to become an Imam or Sheikh!

Again, the media give you a reason to study.
If you can afford learned scholars - great, if not, read what you can, not all billionaires went got a degree, syllabus was possibly to cramped for them.

So the apparent Muslims who praise the 'magnificent 19' do so knowing that they were the hated Jews dressed up as Arabs?

Google 'magnificent 19 al muhajiroun' Al-Muhajiroun (Arabic: المهاجرون

Not much of an intellectually stimulating observation or even relevant discussion when looking for facts, especially when videos of the wtc7 collapse are available:

 

[Abz2000]

Brother, if others behave badly or disrespectfully or don´t understand nothing about manners or their religion or are happy about murders, it doesn´t mean that we should be similar and behave as bad ways like they do.

We should try to do what is right, Allah defines what is right, in the Quran.
If we attempt to follow it, you have no right to seethe from washington, paris and london and seek and manufacture excuses to unjustly attack us
But please use a just balance when choosing to condemn because if you put all these actions on a spectrum, you'd find yourself having to condemn the corrupt u.s government and it's democratic citizens without break.
The fact that you choose to condemn the people at the light end of the spectrum shows a perversion of the psyche.

 

[sister herb]

I agree that Washington etc. has no right to attack against other nations or civilians, Islamic or non-islamic ones. I think this is quite basic facts already.

In this case, yes, I condemn all people whose glorify killing of innocent civilians. In the case of humanity, I make no distinction between people.

 

[Abz2000]

I agree that Washington etc. has no right to attack against other nations or civilians, Islamic or non-islamic ones. I think this is quite basic facts already.

In this case, yes, I condemn all people whose glorify killing of innocent civilians. In the case of humanity, I make no distinction between people.

But you can't claim that people who - pride themselves in being part of an illusory democracy which is actually a tyranny, and others who accept that it is not a democracy but rather a tyranny, yet refuse to accept the rule of God and refuse to establish Islam within their own selves and families which they do have control over, who refuse to make jihad with their selves, tongues, and hearts and refuse to absolve themselves from such corruption as did Lut (pbuh) and refuse to make hijrah when there comes a time when their children, husbands or wives say: "i'm allowed to commit zina or adultery because tony blair or jaques chirac or sarkozy or bush says so, i'll have you arrested if you attempt to discipline me", who refuse to invoke Allah for assistance - are innocent civilians?

There are many people who live under tyrranous regimes who find themselves helpless, but at least the majority absolve themselves of the actions of their corrupt leaders and pray and fast and teach their children the truth - isn't it quite obvious that you need to focus on the weighty things and then on the light things?

Do most people in the west even recognise the fact that there has come to exist a huge private weapons and usury industry that holds sway over their leaders, and that those industries thrive off war and destruction of human output? And that resources from essential public services are being diverted to these weapons industries and the servitude and dependency upon usury is increasing in parallel as a direct result of this corrupt system? That these so called "terror attacks" are a direct result of such policies? They create enemies just to keep the murderous and debasing game of lunatic musical chairs going.
They create false flag attacks and new enemies as soon as demand for weapons and usury or public opinion for wars or pro war leaders reach frightening lows.
They see calm, decency and prosperity as nasty outbreaks that need to be quelled, read up, repent and establish the ways of God to the best of your ability and who knows, God may repent of the evil that faces you and assist you.

 

[sister herb]

^^ I haven´t claimed all those things. ^o) I condemn violence against civilians, just same what is their religion. That´s all.

 

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So, the mass-shooters had another victim, and that living victim is part of the truly innocent, and I wanted to take a moment to spare thoughts for her.

The victim is the mass murderers' six-month old baby whose parents abandoned her to whatever fate befalls her when they exercised violence:

I was talking about this with other Muslims, and this seems to be the sentiment:

A man who couldn't be grateful to his country that fed him and clothed him and gave him an education with which he could find a job, couldn't be grateful to his parents who in this old age are going to be associated with their son's massacre and mayhem for the rest of their lives and probably will face ostracization from both the Muslim and non-Muslim peoples, couldn't be grateful to his sister and brother-in-law who are probably also going to get demonization from the American community and will face suspicion from police and other government agencies for the rest of their lives, how could they possibly be grateful enough to God to appreciate the wondrous gift of having a six-month baby who alone depended on them for nurturing and love and will now have to live her life as an orphan?

I hope In-sha-Allah (God-willing) the six-month old baby gets professional help to understand what happened when she's older as she will feel undoubtedly feel "tainted" in her blood when she discovers her parents were terrorists who chose to destroy other innocent persons' lives. In-sha-Allah (God-willing), she's able to make some kind of peace with the evil they committed and is able to find some forgiveness and mercy in her heart for being so heartless as to abandon being part of her life and see her grow up into her own.

Btw, like me, other Muslims with whom I conversed believe that if you don't like the country in which you are, move! ---> And don't be an ungrateful wretch!

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[ajr]

"O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." #Quran 4:135

The Prophet SAW said:

"Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah." Sahih Muslim


While taking the souls of those who were engaged in wronging themselves, the angels asked: 'In what circumstances were you?' They replied: 'We were too weak and helpless in the land.' The angels said: 'Was not the earth of Allah wide enough for you to emigrate in it?' For such men their refuge is Hell - an evil destination indeed #Quran 4:97


Those people who had willingly acquiesced to living under an un-Islamic order would be called to account by God and would be asked: If a certain territory was under the dominance of rebels against God, so that it had become impossible to follow His Law, why did you continue to live there? Why did you not migrate to a land where it was possible to follow the law of God?

(I suggest you go read tafsir and stop listening to your puppet sheikhs...you were commanded to seek knowledge, your sheikhs are mere mortals, they too will die and face their Creator)

"It is only Satan that suggests to you the fear of his allies. So, do not fear them, and fear Me if you are believers." #Quran 3:175

Ibn Taymiyyah commented ('Majmu' al-Fatawa'; 1/77-78):

"So, this verse proves that Satan makes his allies sources of fear, and he causes people to be afraid of them. And the verse shows that it is not permissible for the believer to fear the allies of Satan, and he should not fear people, as it was Said: "So, do not fear the people, and fear Me…" [al-Ma'idah; 44]

O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islam), Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, striving in the Way of Allah, and never fear the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower.

#Quran 5:54

All I see are the blamers…that’s all you do, blame…and that’s all the believers do, they don’t fear the blame of the blamers….
So you see, I am upon clarity with regards to my religion, you are a doubter, so go argue with a doubter such as yourself…

*that’s the end of my conversation with you*

 

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Source: San Bernardino Gunman Syed Farook Received $28,500 Deposit Two Weeks Before Shooting: Report

A deposit of $28,500 was made into the bank account of the shooter who opened fire at a social center in San Bernardino, California, just two weeks before the attack, a source close to the investigation told Fox News on Monday. Syed Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, had carried out the onslaught at the Inland Regional Center last Wednesday, killing 14 people and triggering a widespread debate on gun laws in the country.

The transfer into Farook’s account was reportedly done through WebBank.com on or near Nov. 18 and about two days later he converted $10,000 to cash, withdrawing the money at a Union Bank branch in San Bernardino. Investigators are probing if the transaction was a loan from the Utah-based bank to Farook who earned $53,000 a year as an environmental health inspector. Just days before the shooting, there were three transfers of $5,000 each from his account to one believed to be of his mother.

According to the source, cited by Fox News, the withdrawals could be a “significant evidence of premeditation.”

The source added that there was further evidence pointing toward premeditation as there was a charge for an SUV rental processing to Farook’s account on Nov. 30, two days before the attack.


The source cited in the Fox News report, which has not been confirmed by authorities yet, said that the investigators are also trying to find out if the $10,000 withdrawn by Farook was handed out to Enrique Marquez, who had bought the two assault rifles involved in the attack. Marquez, who is said to be a close friend of Farook, has not been named as a suspect in the case, but the FBI searched his home on Saturday and he has been questioned by investigators.


"Our major concern is determining how those firearms got from Marquez to Farook and Malik," John D'Angelo, an assistant special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Monday at a press conference.


A report by the Associated Press (AP) Monday also said, citing the FBI, that Farook and Malik had been radicalized "for quite some time" and that Farook practiced at gun ranges in the Los Angeles metropolitan area. One of the target practice sessions reportedly happened just two days before the shooting. John Galletta, an instructor at Riverside Magnum Range, said in a statement, cited by the AP, that Farook had been there on Nov. 29 and Nov. 30, but there was "nothing was out of the ordinary regarding his behavior."


Neither WebBank.com nor Union Bank responded to specific questions about the Fox News report, according to the news network. However, David Weidman, a spokesman for Union Bank, reportedly said that the bank was working with the FBI and other investigators. "We are cooperating to the full extent of the law with the agencies conducting investigations into this tragedy,” Weidman said.


Over the last week, there have been several reports about the life led by Farook and Malik and how the two were radicalized.


While the Islamic State group (ISIS) called the couple its “followers,” a federal law enforcement officer said Friday, according to Los Angeles Times, that Farook was in touch with people from al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front in Syria and al-Shabab group in Somalia. A report by CNN also said last week that Malik had posted a pledge of allegiance to the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, on Facebook, through an account under a different name. However, the post was reportedly later removed by Facebook.


In a rare Oval Office address Sunday night, U.S. President Barack Obama spoke about the shooting incident and the ongoing investigation. “It is clear that the two of them had gone down the dark path of radicalization, embracing a perverted interpretation of Islam that calls for war against America and the West. They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition, and pipe bombs,” he said.


“The threat from terrorism is real, but we will overcome it. We will destroy ISIL and any other organization that tries to harm us,” Obama said, outlining an anti-ISIS strategy “designed and supported by our military commanders and counterterrorism experts, together with 65 countries that have joined an American-led coalition” in Syria.

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