American School System: Falling alongside economy?

[جوري]

I stand by the fact that private schools are a haven for wealthy children. The fact is that economics plays a huge role in how well students do in school, whether it is public or private.

Private schools are able to weed out those they believe will underperform, so in that regard the answer is "yes", private schools do tend to have more intelligent students. That is the major factor in their schools having better results. Why do you think private schools have admission tests? It is most assuredly not because they want to find the most average students and help improve their education. It is because they want to find the ones that will be easiest to teach. The ones that show the most promise.

You have no facts to stand by, you tweak your opinion as articles are presented, you can't differentiate elitism from wealth from academic excellence and thus every time in a fix, you rely on subjective personal views or change your position all together.

No one is after average or below average what is your point? When you seek help for anything say treatment do you usually say, I'd like the second rate antibiotic? I'd like an anti-cancer drug that only kills half or an average amount of my cancer cells? I want a toothpaste that works on plaque but not gingivitis.. you are so funny. Try to make that applicable to real life situations.

What facts? You have yet to produce one bit of evidence contradicting my point.

Go back and read, I am tired of your presence here and your mediocre input!

 

[titus]

No one is after average or below average what is your point? When you seek help for anything say treatment do you usually say, I'd like the second rate antibiotic? I'd like an anti-cancer drug that only kills half or an average amount of my cancer cells? I want a toothpaste that works on plaque but not gingivitis.. you are so funny. Try to make that applicable to real life situations.

After countless attempts you either still cannot comprehend what I am saying or you are being purposely obtuse. Let me try another real life situation to see if this will work:

You have two basketball coaches of equal skill level. You give one an NBA team to coach and you give the other a high school team to coach. Now, when they go through the season and play each other, who is going to win? Of course it will be the coach with the NBA level players.

Does that mean that that coach is a better coach? No, it doesn't. Providing stats about how the NBA level team had more rebounds and scored more points does not prove that their coach was a better coach.

Yet with your examples, like Brearley, that is exactly what you have. When you have a school that only takes in those with the most academic ability of course they will perform better. That does not mean that the school itself is any better.

Go back and read, I am tired of your presence here and your mediocre input!

You still cannot provide any evidence that private schools provide a better education.

Nor have I seen you do anything other than rail against public schools. Yes, I find your "solutions" to be elitist and out of touch.

You bring up the poor inner city public schools and your answer to those people is to tell them that if they love their kids they will send them to private school. Some of them can barely keep food on the table, but all you have told them so far on this thread is that if their kids cannot get into private school then they aren't trying hard enough.

Your answer, basically, to the problems that public education has is to ignore it. You gave the smug answer that they should send their children to private school. Your answer is to ignore the 90% of the children in the country and concentrate on the 10% that went to private school like yourself, the majority of which are only able to be there because mother and father can afford it.

You advocate a system that, whether you like it or not, would mainly benefit the wealthy and leave the majority with an inferior education. Spare me the stories about how the top private schools only admit people based on merit. They have a minority of students that get some financial aid and the majority are in because mommy and daddy paid more for tuition than many people working full time make in a year.

 

[جوري]

After countless attempts you either still cannot comprehend what I am saying or you are being purposely obtuse. Let me try another real life situation to see if this will work:

You have two basketball coaches of equal skill level. You give one an NBA team to coach and you give the other a high school team to coach. Now, when they go through the season and play each other, who is going to win? Of course it will be the coach with the NBA level players.

Does that mean that that coach is a better coach? No, it doesn't. Providing stats about how the NBA level team had more rebounds and scored more points does not prove that their coach was a better coach.

I must admit I am surprised that after pages of inane attempts you can't simply lick your wounds and go cower somewhere?
Yes the NBA level players is going to win.. Again, what is your point?
And perhaps he is indeed a better coach how do you figure that he isn't?

Yet with your examples, like Brearley, that is exactly what you have. When you have a school that only takes in those with the most academic ability of course they will perform better. That does not mean that the school itself is any better.

Sure let's compare all around any P.S govt. funded and see how they rank in facilities, teachers, students, resources, expectations and performance.. You are nothing if not persistent!

You still cannot provide any evidence that private schools provide a better education.

I have indeed all you need to do is go back three posts and read instead of drowning me in more worthless logorrhea!

Nor have I seen you do anything other than rail against public schools. Yes, I find your "solutions" to be elitist and out of touch.

I have no interest in Public schools or the average American family.. it is amazing to me that you'd want me to have any sliver of concern for folks who have no regard whatsoever of human life or what becomes of others.

This is what you reap of your hatred and wars. My priorities don't favor elitism rather the well prepared mind.. I am concerned with Muslims here, Muslims overseas, then people who really need my immediate attention. No where on that list is your average american family.. if you are so concerned again for the umpteenth time, why not run for office of funnel your tax money where it will be used to educate your dumb assed youth instead of sending them to rape 14 year olds overseas?

You bring up the poor inner city public schools and your answer to those people is to tell them that if they love their kids they will send them to private school. Some of them can barely keep food on the table, but all you have told them so far on this thread is that if their kids cannot get into private school then they aren't trying hard enough.

No, my focus is on Muslims who happen to be a minority and can indeed manage in totality in private schools given their numbers..
I have stated and repeatedly if they can't get into a top school then they should research an excellent parochial or private school that will meet with their needs. Let me repeat if it hasn't gotten through to you, that I am not concerned with your average american kid, and I am not going to be concerned, I pay my taxes and that is a problem for your govt. or your churches, not a personal concern that I should lose any sleep over or anymore time arguing with you. If you are concerned then I have already asked you to do something about it in lieu of *****ing here to me about your woes!

Your answer, basically, to the problems that public education has is to ignore it. You gave the smug answer that they should send their children to private school. Your answer is to ignore the 90% of the children in the country and concentrate on the 10% that went to private school like yourself, the majority of which are only able to be there because mother and father can afford it.

That is true. I have no concern for non-Muslims in this country, how they breed or live etc.
And again if you want to make a noble effort, then your energy is wasted here on the forum, I suggest you run not walk to your nearest city councilman and start in the least by asking them not to divert money that should be spent on education to less than noble causes, Not come to me with your psycho-babble!

You advocate a system that, whether you like it or not, would mainly benefit the wealthy and leave the majority with an inferior education. Spare me the stories about how the top private schools only admit people based on merit. They have a minority of students that get some financial aid and the majority are in because mommy and daddy paid more for tuition than many people working full time make in a year.

I advocate a system that will breed strong Muslim minds, well prepared to deal with the **** that your country will dish out to oppress them. I have no vested interest in your youth and why their parents are dead-beats, or why they can't commit themselves to the act of studying and applying themselves. Not every private school is 30k. and at some point they'll dish out that much for college. If they whine now, they will also whine then-- and again, it is really not my concern!

all the best

 

[titus]

First the insults. Then the weak attempt to claim that this subject was supposed be only about Muslim education in the US (as if anyone really fell for that one), and now you pull the "rape 14 year olds" and the "This is what you reap of your hatred and wars." card in a pathetic attempt to paint yourself as the good muslim and me as the evil American who hates Muslims. This is a Muslim forum and some young Muslim may actually fall for it, but most will realize you don't have the ability to argue your point effectively so you have resorted to these sad tactics.

For the record I don't hate Muslims. Quite the opposite in fact. I find Muslims that cannot intelligently argue a point and who resort to insults and mudslinging as a form of debate to be frustrating, though.

Gossamer, I recommend following the example of other members such as Woodrow who can intelligently explain their point of view and can respectfully listen to me express mine, even when we disagree. Like adults. Not like junior high students on a playground.

Reply if you like, but this thread is done for me. I only wish your expensive education had provided better lessons in logic and proper debate, then maybe some constructive thought might have come of this topic.

Good day.

 

[جوري]

First the insults. Then the weak attempt to claim that this subject was supposed be only about Muslim education in the US (as if anyone really fell for that one), and now you pull the "rape 14 year olds" and the "This is what you reap of your hatred and wars." card in a pathetic attempt to paint yourself as the good muslim and me as the evil American who hates Muslims. This is a Muslim forum and some young Muslim may actually fall for it, but most will realize you don't have the ability to argue your point effectively so you have resorted to these sad tactics.

There are no insults here, merely pointing that being obstinate will cause ire especially if the subject has been addressed and repeatedly.
as for not arguing a point effectively, well I applaud you finally for your self-insight, now if you can only give up the projection, you'll have made a complete recovery.. and Again, this is an Islamic forum, addressing the Muslim end of events.

For the record I don't hate Muslims. Quite the opposite in fact. I find Muslims that cannot intelligently argue a point and who resort to insults and mudslinging as a form of debate to be frustrating, though.

Who cares how you feel? you like to have the last word at any price, article after article slaps you in the face and still you prefer to bury your head in the sand or pretend it wasn't posted all together as to appease yourself that your ailing, failing system is really great. If you are convinced of that, then good for you man, you don't need to convince me of anything as if your very manhood depends on it!

Gossamer, I recommend following the example of other members such as Woodrow who can intelligently explain their point of view and can respectfully listen to me express mine, even when we disagree. Like adults. Not like junior high students on a playground.

If you don't like it here don't be a member here.. each member here is unique, we are not going to be clones of one another to appease an un-educated fool..monotony and homogeneity is bred by a mediocre education and upbringing not the way of free-thinkers!

Reply if you like, but this thread is done for me. I only wish your expensive education had provided better lessons in logic and proper debate, then maybe some constructive thought might have come of this topic.

Good day.

We should hope to hold you to that promise!-- your inability to understand and decipher articles and other folks arguments as well constantly changing your own stance as the thread evolves doesn't denote that you have logic or can sustain a point

and all the best