Are Muslims today backward?

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Was the former president of Pakistan General Pervez Musharaff, right when he said: "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race"


Out of the said 1000,000,000+ population, Muslims have only been able to produce nine Nobel laureates. (Eight, considering the beards declared Dr. Abdus Salam an apostate)

Leave out the silly Peace prizes and literature and you barely have 3 Muslims. Three?

Yes, you can literally count them on your fingers.

There's no running away from the fact that the so-called 'Muslim world' is inept, impoverished, and lagging behind on all fronts of human achievement.

They are easily the biggest waste of human capital. The biggest failure to apply any intellect. The most bitter enemies of reason.

In short, the "Muslim World" is the biggest failure in this century in achieving ANYTHING credible. Common sense indicates it. Statistics prove it. There's no room for doubt here.

This humiliating failure is precisely what the Islamists try so hard to hide with their meaningless rants and quest for a 'jihad' against an imaginary global conspiracy involving every 'infidel' on Earth.

They dream of a day when the world is "ruled" by an imaginary pan-world Islamic 'caliphate' that will somehow be magically established by a fantastic 'Islamic revolution' which will dethrone the "west" once and for all. (Yes. Mildly entertaining stuff)

Today, the Islamist answer to any question is "Jews! Americans! Western Propaganda!" .

They are blind to reason, incapable of debate, unopen to discussion or any criticism. They prefer to simply 'silence' all dissent, because they know very well that they cannot answer some very serious questions. It's much easier to declare everyone who questions them as 'apostate'.

Their followers are brainwashed with the simple proclamation of Islam's "supremacy" over the 'West'.

They flood the internet with websites proclaiming this unsubstantiated claim. But the fact remains that every last pixel on their monitor is the result of a 'western' innovation.

The AK-47 that Osama proudly displays is a 'Western' invention. The chemical formula of RDX that they use in their bombs is the culmination of 'Western' research.

Today the Qur'an is printed in printing presses designed in the west, and can be found online using Search Engines algorithms written in the "the West".

The fabrics that Hamas terrorists wear on their forehead were formulated in "the west" and the shirts on their backs were made in textile factories, with machines invented in "the West".

The Satellite phones they use for communication is again a 'western' technology, implemented by satellites that 'the west' launched into space, in rockets designed and built by 'the west', using advanced Computers made by 'the west'.

The Arab world hailed the testing of the "Islamic Bomb" when Pakistan acquired Nuclear weapons, but even the most basic Nuclear Fission reaction and reactor had first been experimented in laboratories in 'the West'.

The world's best Universities, the Best Hospitals, the biggest companies, largest factories.. all are in 'the west'.

While the youth in the Muslim countries are unable to string alphabets together thanks to their antiquated 'madrassa education', 'the west' has advanced in leaps and bounds.

In a span of two hundred years, they have gone from inventing the Steam Engine to putting a "Western" man on the moon to building space stations. They've gone from establishing telegraph posts to inventing the Internet.

imsad WE have failed imsad
 

Peace...

Kuffar Prizes dont decide whos intelligent or not

You might not be aware, i'll have to break it to you: Muslims live in the west!!

I think you are talking only about a very minute amount of people :p

Peace...
 
That is assuming that majority of Muslims Inhabit the western hemisphere of the globe, and so called "Muslim states" doesn't have any much Muslims living in them.
 
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I think yes, we have failed, but not in the manner portrayed above, but in a different sphere altogether...

Allah (SubHanhu wa ta'ala) has created each and everything for the benefit of mankind. Whatever you see in this universe, whether it is above the earth, or under the crust, or even in the empty extra terrestial space, each and everything is created for the benefit of man. And man is given the title "Best of the creations"...
It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (Al-Baqarah:29)
It is Allah Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies, and with it bringeth out fruits wherewith to feed you; it is He Who hath made the ships subject to you, that they may sail through the sea by His command; and the rivers (also) hath He made subject to you.
And He hath made subject to you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you. (Surah Ibrahim: 32,33)
As we all know, Allah has created man in the best possible shape. And the status of man is even raised above the angels when the angels were asked to prostrate in front of Adam (AS)...
We have indeed created man in the best of moulds, (Surah At-Tin: 4)

But, if we analyse our own self, we are not at all of any importance. We have been created from a filthy drop of water.
There surely came over man a period of time when he was a thing not worth mentioning. (Surah Insaan: 1)
Whatever we touch, it starts decaying, its price goes down. We wear new clothes, within a few days, our shirts start smelling. We buy a new car, now if we sell it, its price is reduced (it becomes second-hand). If we touch the food we eat, it decays within a day. We are not of any importance in our body form...

So why is Allah (SwT) giving us such a high status among all his creations? Aren't there stronger creations of Allah (Jinn) than humans? Aren't there more obedient creations of Allah (Angels) than humans? Yet man is the most supreme creation.

This is because, we are not human in our true standard.
Then we reduced him to the lowest of the low, (Surah At-Tin: 5)
These are as the cattle - nay, but they are worse! (Surah Al-A'raf: 179)
We are not men at all.
Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah (Al-AHzab: 23)
Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about; (Surah Noor: 37)
Allah (SwT) has given us this position because of the qualities that we must possess. The Sahabah (Ridhwanullahi 'Alaihim anma'een) were the most perfect human beings (after the Messengers). They had the qualities in them with which a man becomes a perfect man. They were the most civilized people ever existed on the face of this earth.
So because of their qualities, when they became perfect human beings, Allah (SwT) directed all of His creations in their service. Since each and everything is created for us, each and everything began serving the Sahabah. The river obeyed the command of Umar (RA), the land obeyed the command, the wind carried his voice to Sariyah (RA), the lion obeyed the command of Safeenah (RA)... There are too many examples (only if we get the time to read our history).

So what were those qualities that made them perfect humans? It was the quality of their Iman, which was stronger than the mountains. They used to see the Jannah and Jahannum with their own eyes. And it was the quality of their obedience (of the commands of Allah and His Messenger). And it was the quality of their personal contact with Allah (SwT). And it was the quality of their morals, their characters. And it was the quality of their sincerity. And it was the quality of their everlasting urge to strive in the path of Allah, to uphold His Deen and to spread the message to the whole world...

This is what we have failed in. We have failed to develop these qualities in ourselves, due to which we have lost our position, we have lost our prestige and we have lost everything...

:w:
 
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Peace...

Kuffar Prizes dont decide whos intelligent or not

I think that's a petty excuse to cover up the obvious failure in innovation and research.

I can look around and see NOTHING in the last 100 or so years that a Muslim can feel proud of having contributed to.
 
are the kuffar rude and ignorant of history and good manners? on the evidence given by nerds manner of putting up posts it would seem so!

is your argument that because muslims are today poor and oppressed (due to our own turning away from Allah in our opinion) that we are some how inferior in our culture and way of life?
 
lol the article started with a quote from musharraf


thats when i knew it was going to be full of crap
 
Why dwell in history when we can see it with our own eyes, hear from our own ears feel and process all this with our own brains the condition of Muslims in present day. What I have mentioned aren't made-up arguments but rather facts that we all by the Grace of Allah be a witness to.
 
Why dwell in history when we can see it with our own eyes, hear from our own ears feel and process all this with our own brains the condition of Muslims in present day. What I have mentioned aren't made-up arguments but rather facts that we all by the Grace of Allah be a witness to.

if you've spent even a day with a true muslim family/imaam or even group then what is in the present would have sufficed you but you choose to remain ignorant of it.
 
"crap" my friend are facts that we need to deal with and try and improve

i accept that the muslims arent as good as the ones we read about in our books.

However, the values, morals and teachings outweigh every other one around us.

Even if you complain that we lack in education we still strive to sacrifice to bring peace and harmony whilst the rest pursue materialism for wordly gain.


That is something you cannot deny.
 
Why dwell in history when we can see it with our own eyes, hear from our own ears feel and process all this with our own brains the condition of Muslims in present day. What I have mentioned aren't made-up arguments but rather facts that we all by the Grace of Allah be a witness to.

Do we think progress in materialism is the actual success? Weren't Thamood better in technology and architecture? Weren't 'Aad more powerful than any human? Was Qaroon not wealthier than any existing country? Was Fir'aun not a bigger oppressor than anyone else? There have existed before us all types of people whom we might think "better", but they all perished. So my dear brother, its not material gain that matters. We need to build the qualities due to which Allah (SwT) gave Sahabah the position that they had...

If we read our history, we will come to realize that when Muslims were following the Deen, they were in the forefront in each and every field. The treasures of Persia and Rome lay in their feet. Emperors and Generals would tremble speaking with the Sahabah. We made advancements in every field, be it medical, science, mathematics, engineering or astronomy...

But when Muslims failed to continue efforts for their Deen, they lost their qualities and they lost everything...

Anything is given a position or status because of its work, its function. And the position is retained only until the thing works properly and it also guarded. Ex. the tube lights and ceiling fans are positioned above our heads until they function properly and they are guarded. A Prime Minister or President has his position and status until he holds his office and he has body gaurds. But when the tube light or fan starts malfunctioning, it is removed and discarded. When a PM or President completes his tenure, his signature or speach does not have the same value as before. He is not guarded as he used to be.
Similarly, when Muslims were on their purpose, when they were spending efforts for the sake of Deen, they had their value and status. When we failed to continue the efforts, we lost everything...

:w:
 
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but you choose to remain ignorant of it.

Am I being ignorant when I say; that we lag far behind in science, far behind in technology compared to Non-Muslims states?

Take Israel for an example, its located in the middle of so many Islamic states, but yet its economy is stronger compared to any them, its military is stronger than any of them.

Why haven't any Islamic country say Jordan, Syria, Iran or Iraq that are so close to Israel done anything to help the poor Palestinian Muslims that are being slaughtered in hundreds and thousands by Israel?

Blame the Jews and Americans, its easier to blame them. Then to see our own self that is really to blame.
 
^ because of corrupt leaders surrounding us at every side.

i agree with you about our decline in science.


We're even declining in islaam.

We decline in fighting for the sake of Allaah.



i know this, and i pray the climb begins soon...
 
Ameen! :)

Allah does want us Muslims to study, to research and to excel in them. And this my friend can only help you be closer to Allah. It is not against Islam, but rather Islamic. How can a Islamic state survive without proper Food? proper medical facilities? or even a strong military? (see what happen today, our sisters and brothers are being killed and all we can do is sit home and watch it on the television and maybe burn a flag does that help? )
 
ok perhaps it is me but what exactly is your argument?

islamic states are backwards because they are not developed, but where is there a single islamic state? or the muslim states are not islamic, they have a large muslim population but that doesnt make them islamic.

you see your evidence is relating to secular muslim states and then seem to be saying islamic states are therefore bad but you are not comparing like for like.
 
^ By saying there aren't any Islamic states on earth you assume to have solved every problem. Since there isn't an Islamic state, Muslims need not contribute to science, since there isn't a Islamic state, Muslims need not develop their own weapons to protect their families. Since there isn't a Islamic State, Muslim's need not work hard to develop and grow their economy.

As a Muslim its a duty to strive in the way of Allah, to educate him/herself to contribute to the development and well being and protection of Human kind,
 
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^ By saying there aren't any Islamic states on earth you assume to have solved every problem. Since there isn't an Islamic state, Muslims need not contribute to science, since there isn't a Islamic state, Muslims need not develop their own weapons to protect their families. Since there isn't a Islamic State, Muslim's need not work hard to develop and grow their economy.

As a Muslim its a duty to strive in the way of Allah, to educate him/herself to contribute to the development and well being and protection of Human kind,

actually i didnt say that at all, that is your own assumption.

but i also realise that the muslims will remain humiliated until such time as they return to the deen.

when we return to the deen then we will be given success in this life again as we were in the past.

but if we worked as hard as we could on worldly success and did nothing to move towards improving ourselves in the deen then we would continue to be humiliated.

the reason for our problems are not educational, or developmental, or anything such, these are symptoms of a wider problem of being islamically backwards.
 
Are Muslims today backward?
short answer: yes, overall, we are
Long answer: I'll ask a member of staff to pre-approve the text before posting to prevent a nuclear fall-out from the crying spree that will start after that.
Was the former president of Pakistan General Pervez Musharaff, right when he said: "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race"
Why else does anyone think that he was removed from power but to keep us in our place (i.e. jahiliat)
 
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