Are Muslims today backward?

[Thinker]

Are Muslims backward is not a good question. A better question would be – why have certain societies failed and others succeeded.

Asking questions of my own question! - - why is it that India is prospering (in relative terms) whilst Paksitan and Bangladesh are in meltdown?

 

[Amadeus85]

Asking questions of my own question! - - why is it that India is prospering (in relative terms) whilst Paksitan and Bangladesh are in meltdown?

Depends what You mean as "prospering". India is a country with hundreds million of illiterate starving citizens, with the enormous poorness which cant be even imaginable. Also Pakistan had good economic growth before the current issues hapenned there.

 

[Bittersteel]

why is it that India is prospering (in relative terms) whilst Paksitan and Bangladesh are in meltdown?

where???show me please.Last time I saw we were still doing great.But it's an honour to be compared to India a country so much bigger than ours and much more resources and military and political strength.
let me ask you something:Why is the west now in such an economic meltdown especially the United States?

A better question would be – why have certain societies failed and others succeeded.

because of people's mentality??

For example culturally, if a police man in the UK stopped a (native) British motorist and asked for a bribe 999 out of 1000 would refuse to pay and report the policeman. Would it be the same in Pakistan?

But it’s not just corruption it’s a culture that values certain standards and certain achievements. I believe a culture that is constantly striving to copy the lifestyle of 7C Bedouins isn’t going to achieve the same things as another striving for other goals – but some might argue that getting a place in heaven is more important than achieving earthly success.

what has bribing/corruption got to do with 7C anyways?what kind of an analogy is that??can you please be clear I really didn't get you.

 

[Nerd]

The sunnah is in matters of religious affairs, so going by car is not an innovation, really come on now, is that the best you can do? i feel quite insulted you would use such a low brow argument against me.

FYI I wasn't arguing against you, but rather pointing out what I have stated earlier as you seem to have misinterpreted what I have written.

 

[alcurad]

did the prophet muhammad (saws) start with getting the economy right first or the society first upon the Quran and sunnah?

there is not much distinction, and the situation was vastly different then to begin comparing.

 

[Dawud_uk]

there is not much distinction, and the situation was vastly different then to begin comparing.

no, you are wrong, the situation is remarkably simular if you look at the spiritual amd moral problems.

let me put it to you this way, when Allah destroys and punished peoples in the past because of their spiritual and moral problems, and releaved these problems and also gave them worldly success when they repented why would Allah change that method now when it has been true for the rest of human history?

 

[alcurad]

yes but now it's much more complex, there are more people, more cultures, more everything, and no prophet, not to mention muslims differ on what Islam is to begin with, it's very different from back then.

 

[doorster]

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[wth1257]

I think that's a petty excuse to cover up the obvious failure in innovation and research.

I can look around and see NOTHING in the last 100 or so years that a Muslim can feel proud of having contributed to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumrun_Vafa

 

[Muezzin]

I think that's a petty excuse to cover up the obvious failure in innovation and research.

I can look around and see NOTHING in the last 100 or so years that a Muslim can feel proud of having contributed to.

Are you saying my parents should have aborted?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

lol Nerd should get his facts checked muslims have contributed in ways he cant imagine.

contribution doesnt just come from technological advances, it comes from aiding society.
and muslims have been doing that from day 1 and never stopped

 

[AntiKarateKid]

How about this as a contribution... still believing in monotheism and the hearafter as opposed to the rest of the world's materialism and paganism?


As long as there is 1 good believer out there following the ways of the Prophet pbuh, Muslims have contributed to society.

The Prophet (pbuh) said: Islam began as something strange, and it shall return to being something strange, so give glad tidings to the strangers."

Yes, we arent exactly as shining as we were in the good ol' days but...




WE ARE STILL HERE! And as long as we are here and have the Quran and hadith there is always the possibility of improvement.



Edit: LOL 666 posts..ooooooh

 

[AntiKarateKid]

On a side note, who is to say that the rest of the world isnt backward in its own ways?

The West with it's social experiments on homosexuality and its ilk, the obscene promiscuity abounding there too. People forgetting about their creator and pouring all their heart into this ephemeral Dunya? Jews and Israel? Christians and their multitudinous sects all based around a man god?


In retrospect, the question is not "are Muslims backward" because the rest of the world has its own "backwardness".

The question is, "Are Muslims upright enough?"

Only we have the truth and the tools to spread it. And Spread it has.

If Muslims are so backward.... why the deluge of new converts? Even in light of fierce criticism and mischaracterization from the media?




This Ummah has to concentrate on it's strengths which greatly outweigh its CURRENT problems in order to glorify Allah as our Islamic forefathers did!







"'(Disbelieving) nations will appear to be inviting each other to you just as diners invite each other to eat a bowl of stew.' Then someone asked: 'Will that be because we will be small in number at that time?' He answered: 'On the contrary, you, at that time, will be many. However, you will be scum and foam like the scum and foam of bodies of water. Allah will remove fear of you from the breasts of your enemies and Allah will instill al-wahn (weakness) in your hearts.' Someone asked: 'Oh Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?' He replied: 'Love of the life of this world and an aversion to dying.'

 

[doorster]

being rather provocative, are you not? I could understand it if it was in response to a particular post otherwise it is an invitation for an attack on Islam

 

[AntiKarateKid]

being rather provocative, are you not? I could understand it if it was in response to a particular post otherwise it is an invitation for an attack on Islam

I'm sorry brother but what does that mean?

Correct me if I'm wrong but your post came across as very condescending and dismissive. I fail to see how trying to assuage our frustration is an "invitation" for an attack on Islam.

My post was meant to bring light to the other side of the coin and end this argument. Yes the Ummah has it's problems right now but they pale in comparison to the rest of the world, and we have the tools to fix it and Allah on our side.

Your attitude toward me is exactly what tears the Ummah apart. One of us thinks he is knows better and mocks or insults other Muslims. Your attitude breeds hostility.

Let's all step back and take a deep breath. Once we've done that we can focus on ways to unite repair the Ummah, not pick at it's faults.

Peace, brothers and sisters.

 

[doorster]

does not matter any more, sorry to have inconvenienced you, carry on as you were. I'll be disabled from posting any minute now so there is no need to reply me.

suffice it to say nothing but leave you with:

*{Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, Lest They out of spite Revile Allah In their ignorance. Thus have we made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and we shall then tell them the truth of all that they did.}* (Al-An`am 6:108)

cheers and bye