Are some Muslims afraid of debate?

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how do u know islam is false.
u should ask more serious question
i mean wat gave u the idea to say islam is false just because u found some websites that doesnt mean its wright,, werid,
waittin for ur q's
peace.
 
NJUSA said:
I went to that site, and all I felt was sympathy. My dad stopped practicing Islam because of the same concerns brought up on the site, and I've been trying to bring him around to the idea that Islam doesn't have to be racist, misogynist, and tribalistic. (pray for me, people, my dad's a tough nut.)
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Hi NJUSA

Can I just say, sister, that you are a shining light for Islam?! :thankyou: :statisfie

In this forum I see you speak out against injustice and hatred all the time - even at the risk of calling angry comments of others upon yourself.
Whilst acknowledging problems and differences, you are at the same time praying that your father will see the beauty of your religion.
Your path must be rocky, and I am sure you have a special calling to be the way you are!

May God's blessing always be with you! :thankyou:
 
Greetings,
sumeyye said:
are u sure? hey!!! i was about to go to bed...and still am coz where i cum from its 2:22am...so it doesnt matter if ur sure im sorry....but im pretty sure it was released in japan first...maybe u cud ask around the forum???
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See here for the story of how it all happened.

Peace
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
Islam should not be judged by Muslims. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.
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Let's run through that, Christianity should not be judged by Christians, America should not be judged by Americans (especially Bush), atheism should not be judged by atheists. Where are we going to stop?

But the other point is, why not? That Muslims do not display the full range of Islamic behaviour I can accept. But they display some. They must. Their cultures are shaped by Islam in a way that they are not by, for instance, Judaism. Muslims are half-formed imperfect versions of what they ought to be. And I look at the Muslim world with its poverty, corruption, intolerance and violence and I am glad I do not live there. You talk about Islam being perfect but I doubt I will ever see it. I doubt, short of the Second Coming, anyone will. So what is on offer is what the West has or what the Muslim world has. I am happy for Egypt to remain Egyptian if that is what the Egyptians want. Same for Pakistan, Iran, Morocco, Indonesia or anywhere else. But I think one Pakistan is enough. I do not want to see another in Britain, or even in Bradford.

So you offer me the chance to embrace Islam, but what you really mean is that I should become a Muslim. Can you see why I would find that less than appealling?
 
America is a country, Islam is a way of life. I agree that Christianity should not be judged by christians, rather by its teachings.
I'm not sure what you're talking about in the rest of your post... please elaborate.
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
America is a country, Islam is a way of life. I agree that Christianity should not be judged by christians, rather by its teachings.
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Well let's keep that in mind the next time the Crusades come up.

I'm not sure what you're talking about in the rest of your post... please elaborate.
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I see you all talking about "Islam" as if it exists when clearly it is more of a theoretical construct. You assert Islam is perfect, but also that it has not existed for the last 1400 or so years. Nor the several thousand before that. And that short period is very underdocumented. So you offer something that is poorly understood, open to varying interpretations, is actually a matter of some dispute, and claim it is perfect. I do not see how you can do that, but suppose you do. It still remains an abstract theory rather than a concrete program - where can I see Islam at work? All I see are Muslims.

So to return to the point: you talk about this idealised "Islam", but what that means in practice is becoming a Muslim. Your program cannot be to turn Britain and the world into an Islamic state as that has been tried and it has not worked. Your program is to turn Britain into another Muslim country. Not another Medina, but another Egypt.
 
Why would anyone want to turn brItain into another egypt? I prefer britain.
Anyway, Islam is theoretical? What have you been smoking? Hello! It's what we're trying to live. Islam is not something that just dies you know, or stays in someone's brain!
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
Why would anyone want to turn brItain into another egypt? I prefer britain.
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Because the more Muslims the better. This is, surely, the only reason you accept for living in Britain - dawa?

Anyway, Islam is theoretical? What have you been smoking? Hello! It's what we're trying to live. Islam is not something that just dies you know, or stays in someone's brain!
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Islam as you talk about it is theoretical. Trying is the right verb. Where are Muslims succeeding in living out Islam properly? Not anywhere in the Muslim world from what I can see. Where have they done so recently? You have an idealised version of Islam that does not seem to have ever existed to me or at least not since Muhammed died. Or perhaps Ali. So if I converted I would not join the Islamic world as you talk about it, I would join the Muslim world as it really exists.
 
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heigou, you come across as very angry in your posts. islam is a perfect way of life given to humans to practise and as we are all aware humans are an imperfect species.. it comes down to "trying" and yes trying is the correct verb because practise makes perfect (Insha - Allah Ameen). everything that has to be practised upon has a theory, when you drive a car you hav a theory to follow and practise upon or even when you cook somethin you hav a recipe to follow. and like all theories given to an imperfect follower you will find sum1 incapable of driving correctly or preparing a plate of food deliciously. wat i am tryin to say is that since Muhammad SAW passed away - who was the perfect Muslim - you will only find Muslims practising Islam by his sunnah, Hadiths and the Quran in a less than perfect way. everything doesnt come in one day and to ask you for example to become the perfect dance or boxer (which cannot exist) in a day would be ridiculous yet the perfect art of boxing /dancing does exist.

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Greetings,
ss25 said:
heigou, you come across as very angry in your posts.
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I don't think HeiGou comes across as being angry at all - I think his posts are always eminently reasonable, and I usually agree with them 100%.

Peace
 

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