Are we gods?

[MustafaMc]

You don’t know if your saved, but I know that I am.

You are right, I don't know if my place is in Heaven or Hell as it is for Allah to judge and even now my heart trembles from the fear of Allah's wrath. Oh, to be so assured of salvation as the Christian claims!

Quran 2:111-112 They say: "None shall enter paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian." These are their vain desires. Say O Muhammad: "Let us have your proof if you are right in your claim." Yea! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and is good to others will be rewarded by his Rabb; he will have nothing to fear or to regret.

From the Muslim perspective the unforgivable sin is "shirk" which according to Alim software definition is "associating partners with Allah. Shirk can also encompase any object that a person may hold in regard higher than Allah. It is the most severe of sins and will not be forgiven."

Quran 4:116 Surely Allah will never forgive the one who commits the sin of shirk and may forgive anyone else if He so pleases. One who commits shirk has indeed gone far away from the Right Way.

We believe to say that Jesus (pbuh) is the Son of God and at the same time God is commiting shirk because it is deifying Jesus, a human born of the virgin Maryam.

I have the promise of Allah for Paradise and pray that I am a true believer and not a hypocrite. He knows my heart better than I do and only He knows my state of faith when I will die.

Quran 4:124-125 But the one who do righteous deeds, whether a male or a female - provided he or she is a believer - shall enter paradise and will not be harmed a speck. Who has a better Deen (way of life or religion) than the one who is a Muslim (submits himself entirely) to Allah, does good to others and follows the faith of Ibrahim the upright one, whom Allah chose to be His friend?

I stand on this oft repeated promise in the Quran and pray for the forgiveness of Allah. May Allah guide you to the Straight Path - siratal-mustaqueem. Peace.

 

[MustafaMc]

If I see someone in a burning building, I am going to shout and keep shouting even if I get rejected to warn him or her. There is nothing I can do if they refuse to believe they are in danger. I see the fire from the outside of the building, but they can't see it from the inside. Jesus said of all the man on earth there was never a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. John said of Jesus, "The one who comes after me, I am not worthy to touch His shoes." The Bible states that
We should not lean to our own understanding. Muslims say that God is not begotten. That is true, because He always was and always will be. But if God is not a begetter, who begot Jesus; in other words, we know Mary was his mother, but who was the father? If God didn’t beget Jesus, how did He become??? And why would Jesus refer to God as His Father and expect us to do the same. Please don't tell me that the Bible is not reliable, cause when it comes to these things, all Bible versions and translations are in unity. There is no mistake here.

Well, if you believe the Bible, then Joseph was the father of Jesus.
Luke 3:23
American Standard Version
And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli,

 

[MustafaMc]

Perhaps, we can look at Adam(as) and ask the same question.

Oh, yes, and then again there is the Muslim perspective....Quran 3:59-60 In fact the example of the birth of Isa ( Jesus) in the sight of Allah is like the example of Adam who had no father and mother, whom He created out of dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was. This is the Truth from your Rabb, therefore, do not be of those who doubt it.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

Well, if you believe the Bible, then Joseph was the father of Jesus.
Luke 3:23

LOL :giggling:

how many fathers Jesus (p) had regarding bible ?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

The thing that I find annoying is that Muslims keep saying we Christians worship three Gods.

ok , let's put it in this way. Christians are worshipping 2 more dieties besides One God....how about that ?

Muslims worship Creator , Christians are worship His Creations along with Creator .......does it sound less annoying ?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

Originally Posted by alapiana1

You don’t know if your saved, but I know that I am.[/

what a dangerous thinking .........do all Christians think like that ? Hitler is going to heaven ??? Jesus (p) will be happy to welcome Bush in Paradise ?

There will be no Christians in the hell..... who promised u that??? God Almighty ? Where ? God told u that Paradise is for all Jews & Christians and hell is only for Muslims who worship One God ?

 

[MustafaMc]

I look at Jesus who was the only prophet (Son of Man) to be sinless and conceived of a virgin (Son of Mary). That alone should be a sign and I hint as to the true nature of Jesus Christ. Since He did not have an earthly father, it only confirms that through the prophets and even Jesus Himself the Bible speaks absolute truth has His Father being God.

And now back to the Bible....

Hebrews 7:1-3 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace; without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.

So, since according to the Bible, Melchizedek had neither father NOR mother, (according to this logic) he has his Father AND Mother being God. Oooo my head is starting to hurt......, but I thought that God is not a God of confusion (I Corinthinians 14:33). I have to admit I am pretty confused, but I am sure a "logical" explanation will soon follow to put my mind at ease.

 

[Pygoscelis]

To the thread title - "Are we gods"?

I don't think I'd want that job.

 

[Redeemed]

There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible! If He said it, I believe it and that settles it for me. You don't have to believe it. You are free to choose as you wish. I am going to try not to preach, but simply teach what Christians believe and learn as much as I can about Islam. Not preaching will be difficult for me. May you not be found guilty of forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth. I went to the Franklin Graham Festival and spoke with a young woman who was born and raised as a Muslim. She shared her testimony. She suffered from panic and anxiety attacks. Consequently, she got down on her knees to pray, and God spoke to her. He said, "You need to learn more about Christ" She was a Christian Counselor at the festival. She reverted. That inspired me. Her testimony convinced me that maybe I shouldn’t preach. No one preached to her, and she change by the Spirit of God.
Peace

 

[Redeemed]

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Salaam/peace ,




ok , let's put it in this way. Christians are worshipping 2 more dieties besides One God....how about that ?

Muslims worship Creator , Christians are worship His Creations along with Creator .......does it sound less annoying ?

OK, I can see you're trying to annoy me.
Jesus loves you no matter what you do to me.
In Christ, I do too. I also respect you for your strong convictions.

 

[Redeemed]

You are right, I don't know if my place is in Heaven or Hell as it is for Allah to judge and even now my heart trembles from the fear of Allah's wrath. Oh, to be so assured of salvation as the Christian claims!

Quran 2:111-112 They say: "None shall enter paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian." These are their vain desires. Say O Muhammad: "Let us have your proof if you are right in your claim." Yea! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and is good to others will be rewarded by his Rabb; he will have nothing to fear or to regret.

From the Muslim perspective the unforgivable sin is "shirk" which according to Alim software definition is "associating partners with Allah. Shirk can also encompase any object that a person may hold in regard higher than Allah. It is the most severe of sins and will not be forgiven."

Quran 4:116 Surely Allah will never forgive the one who commits the sin of shirk and may forgive anyone else if He so pleases. One who commits shirk has indeed gone far away from the Right Way.

We believe to say that Jesus (pbuh) is the Son of God and at the same time God is commiting shirk because it is deifying Jesus, a human born of the virgin Maryam.

I have the promise of Allah for Paradise and pray that I am a true believer and not a hypocrite. He knows my heart better than I do and only He knows my state of faith when I will die.

Quran 4:124-125 But the one who do righteous deeds, whether a male or a female - provided he or she is a believer - shall enter paradise and will not be harmed a speck. Who has a better Deen (way of life or religion) than the one who is a Muslim (submits himself entirely) to Allah, does good to others and follows the faith of Ibrahim the upright one, whom Allah chose to be His friend?

I stand on this oft repeated promise in the Quran and pray for the forgiveness of Allah. May Allah guide you to the Straight Path - siratal-mustaqueem. Peace.

1John 5:13 These things I have written unto you believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. God loves you and wants you to be sure of your eternal destiny!

 

[Redeemed]

And now back to the Bible....

Hebrews 7:1-3 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace; without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.

So, since according to the Bible, Melchizedek had neither father NOR mother, (according to this logic) he has his Father AND Mother being God. Oooo my head is starting to hurt......, but I thought that God is not a God of confusion (I Corinthinians 14:33). I have to admit I am pretty confused, but I am sure a "logical" explanation will soon follow to put my mind at ease.

Yes, but if you continue reading It says ... the Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. He represented Christ back then before being born of a virgin. It was Jesus who appeared in the fire (Son of Man) the the three Hebrew children who wouldn't bow to the Kings idol.
The essence of God cannot be explained in terms of human logic. Should I stop believing because I can't explain how God's word could be made flesh? Can you then explain how God always was with no beginning or end? I didn't think so, but that doesn't stop you from believing in God. Neither, does my lack of understanding stop me from believing that Jesus is God's Word.
Peace

 

[Redeemed]

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Salaam/peace ,






what a dangerous thinking .........do all Christians think like that ? Hitler is going to heaven ??? Jesus (p) will be happy to welcome Bush in Paradise ?

There will be no Christians in the hell..... who promised u that??? God Almighty ? Where ? God told u that Paradise is for all Jews & Christians and hell is only for Muslims who worship One God ?

I don't think Hitler is in heaven. And I think there will be many who call themselves Christians in hell. But God loves you and has a plan for your life, and wants you to be sure of your eternal destiny, because He is faithful and just. It is written: 1 John 5:13 These things I have written unto you believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. I know God loves you and wants you to be sure of your eternal destiny! I am sure of mine. Not because of any good things I have done, but because I have been bought with a price.

 

[Redeemed]

To the thread title - "Are we gods"?

I don't think I'd want that job.

Muslims and Christians believe in God.
The Bible says the fool says in his heart there is no God!

 

[Redeemed]

You are right, I don't know if my place is in Heaven or Hell as it is for Allah to judge and even now my heart trembles from the fear of Allah's wrath. Oh, to be so assured of salvation as the Christian claims!

Quran 2:111-112 They say: "None shall enter paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian." These are their vain desires. Say O Muhammad: "Let us have your proof if you are right in your claim." Yea! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and is good to others will be rewarded by his Rabb; he will have nothing to fear or to regret.

From the Muslim perspective the unforgivable sin is "shirk" which according to Alim software definition is "associating partners with Allah. Shirk can also encompase any object that a person may hold in regard higher than Allah. It is the most severe of sins and will not be forgiven."

Quran 4:116 Surely Allah will never forgive the one who commits the sin of shirk and may forgive anyone else if He so pleases. One who commits shirk has indeed gone far away from the Right Way.

We believe to say that Jesus (pbuh) is the Son of God and at the same time God is commiting shirk because it is deifying Jesus, a human born of the virgin Maryam.

I have the promise of Allah for Paradise and pray that I am a true believer and not a hypocrite. He knows my heart better than I do and only He knows my state of faith when I will die.

Quran 4:124-125 But the one who do righteous deeds, whether a male or a female - provided he or she is a believer - shall enter paradise and will not be harmed a speck. Who has a better Deen (way of life or religion) than the one who is a Muslim (submits himself entirely) to Allah, does good to others and follows the faith of Ibrahim the upright one, whom Allah chose to be His friend?

I stand on this oft repeated promise in the Quran and pray for the forgiveness of Allah. May Allah guide you to the Straight Path - siratal-mustaqueem. Peace.

To say that we can get to heaven by good deeds is an insult to God, because it is based on pride. We can boast and say "Look what I have done" God doesn't get the glory. I am save by grace through faith. That is God giving me strength to live free from sin, and I have been purchased by the blood of the Lamb. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sin. To say I can get to heaven by good acts is telling God I don't need His help or the sacrafice of Christ. I can do it on my own. That is the sin of Satan (Pride)hew .

 

[Redeemed]

Well, if you believe the Bible, then Joseph was the father of Jesus.
Luke 3:23
American Standard Version
And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli,

Jesus was the son of Joseph, but not his biological son.

 

[Redeemed]

We have done all we can to show you the truth and the error of your ways. there is little more we can do to guide you free from your error. We can only accept the fact it is your own choice and that you have not been coerced to believe as you do.

Your choice is your own decision and we do respect your right to believe as you do. May Allah(swt) guide you.

I know you have and I know you are sincere, but I never gave you the impression that i was going to revert to Islam. Not even close. You read me wrong if you thought that. I am interested in learning about Islam but not to revert. By the way, I went to the Franklin Graham Festival and spoke with a young woman who was born and raised Muslim. She shared her testimony with me. She suffered from panic and anxiety attacks as a Muslim. Consequently, she got down on her knees to pray, and God spoke to her. He said, "You need to learn more about Christ" She was a Christian Counselor at the festival. She reverted. That inspired me. Her testimony convinced me that maybe I shouldn’t preach. No one preached to her, and she change by the Spirit of God. May you not be found guilty of forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth.
Peace

 

[جوري]

She shared her testimony with me. She suffered from panic and anxiety attacks as a Muslim. Consequently, she got down on her knees to pray, and God spoke to her. Peace

Panic and anxiety attacks are due to a chemical imbalance, not due to subscribing to a religion or another. It happens ergo reduced availability of neurotransmitters like Serotonin, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, GABA and Acetylcholine, Increased levels of toxic neurochemicals such as Homocysteine, Lower levels of serum Magnesium, Zinc or Potassium , Unhealthy, or deficient levels of essential vitamins like B6, B9, B12 and Vitamin-C , Increased cortisol stress hormone levels-- just to name a few....Perhaps you should take your friend to get treatment or find an alternative way to describe her condition?-- since I suspect if she suffered such a fragile state of mind under Islam, she is also bound to feel it as a "Christians" -- and under such a strenuous state of mind, really no religion could offer any help, unless it is there to augment her delusions --especially in such a case where you describe that "G-D spoke to her"-- now, that is special!.

peace!

 

[Muslim Knight]

Consequently, she got down on her knees to pray, and God spoke to her. He said, "You need to learn more about Christ" She was a Christian Counselor at the festival. She reverted. That inspired me. Her testimony convinced me that maybe I shouldn’t preach. No one preached to her, and she change by the Spirit of God. May you not be found guilty of forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth.
Peace

Masha Allah! God did speak to me also! But He says I should stay Islam and embrace it like I did to my mother when I was little. Also, He says Islam is the only way the world can solve problems, and at that, faithful Muslims who do good works, charity and believe in Allah, will earn His Good Graces and His Paradise!!

I know an old man who suddenly woke up and realized the truth. I pray that he remain steadfast to the peace of Islam till the very end, and that Allah grant him His Good Pleasure, and that Allah will let me die in the same manner that all good faithful people died.

 

[Redeemed]

Panic and anxiety attacks are due to a chemical imbalance, not due to subscribing to a religion or another. It happens ergo reduced availability of neurotransmitters like Serotonin, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, GABA and Acetylcholine, Increased levels of toxic neurochemicals such as Homocysteine, Lower levels of serum Magnesium, Zinc or Potassium , Unhealthy, or deficient levels of essential vitamins like B6, B9, B12 and Vitamin-C , Increased cortisol stress hormone levels-- just to name a few....Perhaps you should take your friend to get treatment or find an alternative way to describe her condition?-- since I suspect if she suffered such a fragile state of mind under Islam, she is also bound to feel it as a "Christians" -- and under such a strenuous state of mind, really no religion could offer any help, unless it is there to augment her delusions --especially in such a case where you describe that "G-D spoke to her"-- now, that is special!.

peace!

She is a beautiful and at peace with God. God hath not given us a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind. She has been healed.