Cartoon row author rewrites Qur'an!

[justahumane]

It can be transformed in reality as if the Muslim looks at the pain in hell and the rewards in the hereafter and thinks about it truly, he/she can transform into a true Muslim. Some Muslims have less Iman and some have a lot. Its a personal thing, if you understand what I mean.



Both Muslims and Non-Muslims.

Peace.

Sister I understand what U mean, and I agree with it too. But the problem is that muslims behave like over pampered children of a wealthy and mighty. they believe that they have all the right to do anything coz ALLAH loves them and hate kafireen like myself. And ALLAH has told them too that only shirk will not be forgiven while other sins may be. Good for them, shirk is a sin comparitively easlier to resist than others.

Good to know sister that its non muslims who prevail over muslims even in muslim countries and not let them implement laws of ALLAH in their land. But the question remains, why ALLAH has made muslims so weak that they cant follow his guidence in places where there are very few non muslims present?

Isnt it a genuine question sister?

Thanks/

 

[justahumane]

"Laa illaha illala"

this is what makes it different. We believe in "ONE" God, the supreme, the all-mighty. Unlike christianity which believes in the trinity, unlike hinduism which believes in polytheism.

"wa muhammadur rasullulah"

we also believe that muhammad is the last and final messenger of Allah! This is one of the most important believes and
SALAAT!

This is the MAIN thing which differentiates us from other religions, we praise our lord daily FIVE TIMES A DAY!!! FIVE TIMES!! and most muslims through there own will do it more

AND

We hav a way of life, our religion and the sunnah (sahih bukhari/muslim etc) GIVES US A WAY OF LIFE! What other religion tells u exactly how to eat,sleep,walk,talk,LIVE?

eace:

Ya agree brother, islam has everything in it, but very few muslims actually to show its impact, why has it shrunk? any idea?

 

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But the question remains, why ALLAH has made muslims so weak that they cant follow his guidence in places where there are very few non muslims present?

Allah has not made the Muslims weak. If Muslims choose to go on that path then they will become weak. It might be because of themselves or the effect society has around them.

Peace

P.S. Thank you for respecting my opinions :thumbs_up

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Ya agree brother, islam has everything in it, but very few muslims actually to show its impact, why has it shrunk? any idea?

the influence of the west my friend. I believe these days muslims see flash and glitter and they get too attracted to it. How can i put it simply, the devil distracts them from Allah and even causes them to forget him. Its sad but if you saw one man act like a true muslim, i think u wud become a muslim , thats how beautiful islam is. Spend one week wiv me, you'll see what i mean

eace:

 

[KAding]

lol kading thx 4 being honest.

lets jus makes sure u are actually talking about islam, the quran and authentic hadith and not people in general. What is it in particular that u don tlike about how islam deals wiv polytheists/aetheists and the islamic economic system.

Let me start with the problem of equality. I understand there are many different interpretations of this in the Islamic world. However you look at it though, it is clear that atheists and polytheists cannot really be full citizens in an Islamic state. Islam appears to create different types of citizens, some with less rights then others.

You agree that Dhimmi's are bound by certain restrictions that Muslims are not, right? For example, Nowhere does the Islamic state guarantee political rights for it's minorities. Another breach of the equality principle is the fact that non-Muslims are considered less 'valuable' in a court of law, the same goes for women. What kind of equality is this? It is a deeply flawed form of equality IMHO.

Please correct me if any of this is wrong. After all, there is an awful lot of misinformation out there.

On the economic flaws. Economic theory in Islamic thought seems somewhat limited. In my opinion, economic growth is hard to achieve without money lending and credit financing, which in turn is unrealistic without somekind of interest rate. And the taxation system appears somewhat rigid, no?

All in all I believe Islamic political theory is flawed because it is static and does not acknowledge that changing societies need dynamic structures as a foundation. Democratic pluralism and a competition of ideas is simply an alien concept in a political thoery that stresses unity and single truths.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

comtemplating and researching on the above ^^ please give me time. I'll answer them one by one if you dont mind

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ok lets start off wiv the whole economic issue, tax causes many problems. It causes many people to go into debt, and in islam debt is actually .... im not sure if i should use the word haram as im not a scholar but it causes destruction thats for sure! Therefor we should avoid any form of interest. Interest is definitly haram, that i no for sure!!
You see we are taught to live life wivout worrying about tomorrow but to hav faith in Allah and hav faith that he will provide. Where is the flaw in this?

Also about the whole equality issue, its people bro, people are not following the sharia properly, we are told to giv dhimmi there rights and treat them wiv kindness and respect. We are not suppose to restrict them? I havent got a clue where that came from!

eace:

 

[HeiGou]

ok lets start off wiv the whole economic issue, tax causes many problems. It causes many people to go into debt, and in islam debt is actually .... im not sure if i should use the word haram as im not a scholar but it causes destruction thats for sure! Therefor we should avoid any form of interest. Interest is definitly haram, that i no for sure!!
You see we are taught to live life wivout worrying about tomorrow but to hav faith in Allah and hav faith that he will provide. Where is the flaw in this?

Well for one thing the economy is based on the idea of saving up enough for tomorrow and in the meantime funding the building of factories. If you live life without worrying about tomorrow who is going to fund your retirement?

As for debt, well, I can see a lot of debt is a bad thing. But a little acts as a spur to men to work harder to pay off their loans. This is no bad thing. And also it gives people who want to build their businesses access to a lot of cash. People, at least strangers, do not give other people money for nothing. The only way to ensure there is enough capital around is to offer a material incentive for people to lend. I rather like what I hear about Islamic banking but I would like to see it work on a grand scale.

Also about the whole equality issue, its people bro, people are not following the sharia properly, we are told to giv dhimmi there rights and treat them wiv kindness and respect. We are not suppose to restrict them? I havent got a clue where that came from!

But what are the rights of Dhimmis? The Sharia does not, as it happens, give Dhimmis equality. You may call what it does give kindness and respect, but it is a kindness and respect I'd rather avoid. As Kadafi posted today

However, the right of killing the murder (retribution) does not extend to the family of a non-Muslim. Whilst they are entitled to receive the blood money, they cannot command to the court that the murderer should be killed as retribution.​

So if a Muslim murders a non-Muslim, the Muslims is not executed but pays the diya. What is the diya for a non-Muslim? Well diyas differ. Opinion differ too. I ripped this off the web somewhere.

If a Kafir (Harbi) who is in state of war with Muslim is killed, he does not deserve any blood money. If the Kafir is not Harbi and he is among the People of the Book then his blood money is the same as the blood money of a Muslim according to Abu Hanifa . Imam Malik is of the opinion that his blood money is only half that of the blood money of a Muslim. Imam Shafie said: he deserves one third of the blood money of a Muslim. Every one of them based his opinion on some evidences. There is a Hadith that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: The blood money of the People of the Book is half that of Muslims . Ibn Hajar said, it is reported by Ahmad and four complier of Sunan. Imam al-Khattabi said: there is no clearer evidence concerning the blood money of the People of the Book than the above Hadith . Therefore, you may know that the opinion of al-Malikiyah in this subject is stronger than the others.
Allah knows best.​

So this site supports the Maliki view that the diya of a male Dhimmi is only half that of a free Muslim male.

 

[i_m_tipu]

Hello

I give u some very simple example around myself

There r some foreign company in our country use Saturday as a holiday
how it is Happening in Muslim country while 99% worker is Muslim

That does seem strange. Why Saturday unless they are Jewish?

not understand ur point :?
i m a problem to understand very high thought kay:

There r lot of Ngo and club in our country got huge donation from foreign
and there activity is clearly show how Desperate these people r in order to move us in a such culture what strictly forbidden in Islam

No doubt there are a lot of people working for human rights and women's issues. Is that what you mean? What sort of thing do you think they are working for that is strictly forbidden in Islam? The Grameen Bank?

I do not find any Different view between u and bush administration

Bush thought and still strongly believes Iraq war is their right also this war will bring good for the Iraq and for the world.
But reality is Iraq is now a dirtiest period in their history and it had no such weapon to threat others.

U thought they working for human rights
But U say vast majority of west don’t have two seconds to think about Islam
Do u really think working for human rights is their goal?


But reality is they r working for changing Islam, create confusion by taking advantage of a poor situation of the individual in the name of human rights
They always blame Islam for any individual fault
Never say the true fact.

There r some political leader, other so called Intellectual public in our country act like a spy for the west

I take it that means they do not think Islam in the answer. If that is their view why do you feel the need to demonize them and their views by accusing them of acting like spies for the West?

Hahaha…..
Which religion or party u r following I don’t know
But my question is
If there is any one which want to be your party but act something and help someone who want to destroy ur party what will u do than?

Finally if u hear properly the voice of Western leader in case of Islam or Muslim u wont find a single one who don't want reforming Islam

I doubt there is a single Muslim here who does not want reform in the Muslim world as well. So what?

U do mistake again
I m talking about ISLAM
Not so called Muslim or their world


Islam can not be changed
The Noble Qur,an can not be change

 

[i_m_tipu]

But, for me Islam is not beyond criticism. If we follow this logic, you cannot criticize atheism, only atheists. You cannot criticize communism, only communists. And what about Christianity. Islam after all rejects the trinity or that Jezus is the son of God. This is not mere criticism of 'Christians', no it is a criticism of the core ideas on Christianity.

Don’t compare with Islam to any religion
Is there any religion without tampering accept the Holy Qur’an
Now people r starting to tamper it
And u seems to support it :heated:

 

[Joe98]

how comes this man aint dead yet :heated:

Peace be upon you

That would be against Islam :brother:


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Its time to Escape

 

[Joe98]

The controversial cartoons were published………

They followed a complaint by author Kare Bluitgen that he had not found anyone willing to illustrate a children's book on the life of the Prophet Muhammad.

In Sweden, a man made a documentary not flattering to Islam. He was murdered by a man claiming he did the murder in the name of Islam and in the name of the Prophet (pbuh).

Meanwhile in Denmark, Mr Bluitgen, wrote a book to educate children about Islam. Then he looked for artists to illustrate the book.

The artists pointed to Sweden and refused. The artists got the notion that they too would be murdered.

But Muslims have completely ignored this issue.

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[KAding]

In Sweden, a man made a documentary not flattering to Islam. He was murdered by a man claiming he did the murder in the name of Islam and in the name of the Prophet (pbuh).-

A minor detail. But it was in the Netherlands not Sweden.

 

[HeiGou]

not understand ur point :?
i m a problem to understand very high thought kay:

It is not a very high thought. It is just that Christians take Sunday off. Muslims take Friday off. Only Jews take Saturday off. So why would a Foreign company give Saturday off to its workers unless they were all Jewish? It is odd don't you think?

I do not find any Different view between u and bush administration

Now there is an insult!

Bush thought and still strongly believes Iraq war is their right also this war will bring good for the Iraq and for the world.
But reality is Iraq is now a dirtiest period in their history and it had no such weapon to threat others.

Which is interesting and we could argue about it but it is irrelevant to this thread. Why did you feel I said nothing worth replying to?

U thought they working for human rights
But U say vast majority of west don’t have two seconds to think about Islam
Do u really think working for human rights is their goal?

Yes. After all they have two seconds to think about human rights. What work do they do which you think is opposed to Islam? Is working for human rights opposing Islam? Is working for women's rights opposing Islam? What is it you think they are doing that in undermining Islam?

But reality is they r working for changing Islam, create confusion by taking advantage of a poor situation of the individual in the name of human rights
They always blame Islam for any individual fault
Never say the true fact.

What are the true facts? Not that I accept that they ever blame Islam. How are they working to change Islam?

Which religion or party u r following I don’t know
But my question is
If there is any one which want to be your party but act something and help someone who want to destroy ur party what will u do than?

I might ask them to leave the party. I might try to convince them of my point of view. I doubt that I would invent horrible stories about them and their motivations just to avoid any real discussions with them.

U do mistake again
I m talking about ISLAM
Not so called Muslim or their world

My mistake.

Islam can not be changed
The Noble Qur,an can not be change

I have no problems with that as a claim but would you agree that Muslim people's understanding of Islam can change? After all, to take one example, Muslims used to think Kingship and Islam were reconcilable. No one ever said to Akhbar or Aurangzeb that Kingship was not Islamic. Nowadays Muslims demand an Islamic Republic saying that Kingship is not Islamic. Islam may be perfect, but Muslims are not.

 

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I have no problems with that as a claim but would you agree that Muslim people's understanding of Islam can change?

Yup I can agree with that. Some Muslims don't take Islam seriously and just feel for granted that they are Muslims and God will forgive them on Judgement Day.

Islam may be perfect, but Muslims are not.[/

Again, I agree but to some extent. Some Muslims try their best to follow Islam while some are lead astray by the Shaytaan.

And Allah swt knows best.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

That would be against Islam :brother:


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Its time to Escape

ye i kno, too bad innit :coolbro:

eace:

 

[i_m_tipu]

Peace HeiGou

It is not a very high thought. It is just that Christians take Sunday off. Muslims take Friday off. Only Jews take Saturday off. So why would a Foreign company give Saturday off to its workers unless they were all Jewish? It is odd don't you think?

don't u think 99% muslim worker is more than enough to demand holiday in friday in muslim state?

Now there is an insult!

i never use to insult other
thou im sorry

Yes. After all they have two seconds to think about human rights. What work do they do which you think is opposed to Islam? Is working for human rights opposing Islam? Is working for women's rights opposing Islam? What is it you think they are doing that in undermining Islam?

What are the true facts? Not that I accept that they ever blame Islam. How are they working to change Islam?

first i must remind u i m not talking for everyone but those who guilty

wouldn't it be more realistic if they think more, about human rights in their state

working for human rights never opposing Islam but a part of Islam
but many of them have other intension other than working for human rights

what r those so called working for human rights activist doing in case of Iraq
what r those so called working for human rights activist doing in case of Kashmir

true fact is they only find interest when they thought they have a change down Islam

they r more destroyer than helper

I might ask them to leave the party. I might try to convince them of my point of view. I doubt that I would invent horrible stories about them and their motivations just to avoid any real discussions with them.

it prove u may not have any love for them

every country law, party law, religion law anything, have a strong strict opinion about munafiq

munafiq
a hypocrite, one whose external appearance is Islam (praying, fasting, "activism", etc.) but whose inner reality conceals kufr - often unbeknownst to the person themselves. (See Al-Baqarah: 8-23). A Munafiq is more dangerous and worse than a Kafir.

My mistake.

:thumbs_up :

I have no problems with that as a claim but would you agree that Muslim people's understanding of Islam can change? After all, to take one example, Muslims used to think Kingship and Islam were reconcilable. No one ever said to Akhbar or Aurangzeb that Kingship was not Islamic. Nowadays Muslims demand an Islamic Republic saying that Kingship is not Islamic. Islam may be perfect, but Muslims are not.

Agreed

 

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A Munafiq is more dangerous and worse than a Kafir.

In what way brother can you explain please? (Its not that I don't believe you, I don't have an understanding of this.)

Jazakallah

 

[HeiGou]

Yup I can agree with that. Some Muslims don't take Islam seriously and just feel for granted that they are Muslims and God will forgive them on Judgement Day.

But woudl you agree that people of good faith, people who are serious about their religion, can also disagree on a particular interpretation of Islam? Take the example of Kingship, presumably everyone here thinks that there are no Kings in Islam. And from what I can see so did Muhammed and the Rashidun. But in the long period in between many Muslims, even good Muslims, did accept that there were Kings in Islam - indeed they do not seem to have even realised there was any alternative.

 

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But woudl you agree that people of good faith, people who are serious about their religion, can also disagree on a particular interpretation of Islam?

They can disagree but Islam is perfect in my opinion and a lot of other Muslims opinion.

Take the example of Kingship, presumably everyone here thinks that there are no Kings in Islam. And from what I can see so did Muhammed and the Rashidun. But in the long period in between many Muslims, even good Muslims, did accept that there were Kings in Islam - indeed they do not seem to have even realised there was any alternative.

I'm sorry I do not see what you are getting at...could you care to expand please...:?