Christian Preacher tells Christians to stop eating PORK

[Predator]

That's a non-argument that's been dealt with before. How do you explain bird flu then?

Rat flu and Bird flu are nowhere near as destructive as the swine flu because pig itself is most filthiest animal and H1N1 got mutated there and spread to humans .The swine flu is also highly contagious and is expected to affect 2 billion as per WHO

I remember news saying the state of Argentina is encouragin the consumption of meat other than beef, including pork. The president said pork spiced up her "marital" life.

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the eart and the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In the American continents , most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

Seriously , Is this the "marital life" you're talking about ?

 

[Froggy]

Rat flu and Bird flu are nowhere near as destructive as the swine flu because pig itself is most filthiest animal and H1N1 got mutated there and spread to humans .The swine flu is also highly contagious and is expected to affect 2 billion as per WHO




The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the eart and the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In the American continents , most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

Seriously , Is this the "marital life" you're talking about ?

So far it hasn't been nearly that contagious, only a handful of people died and it's not spreading at the predicted rate. The European Commission is even probing the possibility of major pharmaceutical companies influencing the WHO's decision to declare it a pandemic.
The second part is absolute rubbish, you can't possibly believe it yourself?

 

[Predator]

So far it hasn't been nearly that contagious, only a handful of people died

So far nearly 15000 deaths ? how is that a handful ? If it wasnt that contagious why have over a 100000 been affected worldwide and so much quarantine being done

The second part is absolute rubbish, you can't possibly believe it yourself?

Wrong , I believe thats spot on . because most of these countries which eat pork in a big way , the men often sells their wives, sister , daughters and mothers to the screen simulating rape and he enjoys it saying " my wife is a star " .

 

[Predator]

Still not convinced why we should not eat pork then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy6BnK7IRj0&feature=related

 

[Supreme]

What a comparison!!!
You don't even need to take it in excess to get its harm. Its a harm on itself even with one bite of it.

Well, I've been eating it for practically all my life (alongside bacon), and I can assure you, it has never done me any harm.

Yes, but God Your creator, doesnt forbid it, chocolate and salt..however they do cause illness and diseases if you eat too much..
Have you ever thought of the diseases occur whilst eating Pork? theyre much much worser..

Do enlighten me of these diseases. Are they only concieved by eating pork specifically?

God didn't change his mind when it came to Christians. Jesus (peace be upon him) came not to destroy the law but to fulfil.

God allowed pure things to be eaten. How a faeces eating animal can be pure is beyond me...

Jesus Himself said that nothing that goes into a man can make him impure, because it goes to his stomach and then back out his body. Rather, Jesus intelligently pointed out that rather it's what comes out of a man that makes him impure, because it comes from the heart.

Swine flu itself is a good example . the epicentre of the disease started from mexico and latin countries where pig breeding is at its highest

Swine flu was pathetic. It killed barely a thousand people globally. You can't honestly think it's a good argument against pork can you?

swine flu is a warning to everyone in this Earth that pork is never good to us..that is why God has prohibited human to deal with pork no matter you're eating it or just breeding it..

This is where you should attempt to stop believing everything Middle Eastern folklore tells you and start using scientific analysis. I've already posted the benefits of pork, it can be healthier than chicken.

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the eart and the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate.

I'm not sure if this is true, most likely you've made it up as you seem to be a fan of making things up, but I don't think that has anything whatsoever to do with health or the quality of meat. 'Oh, let's not eat that animal, it's had an evil sex life'. How many people do you seriously think care?

In the American continents , most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

LOL- I've always been thankful that my education was decent, because this is a good example of education gone wrong.

 

[Froggy]

So far nearly 15000 deaths ? how is that a handful ? If it wasnt that contagious why have over a 100000 been affected worldwide and so much quarantine being done



Wrong , I believe thats spot on . because most of these countries which eat pork in a big way , the men often sells their wives, sister , daughters and mothers to the screen simulating rape and he enjoys it saying " my wife is a star " .

I don't know where you get your dta from and I certainly don't know where you come up with that sort of rubbish, it's weird!

 

[Esther462]

That a well known evangelist tells poeple not to eat pork.....ewwwwww+o(

My family are evangelist and they eat pork. In there church they say nothing about what you should and shoudn't eat.
I went to a church camp before I went back to Islam andd everyone was eatting pork and drinking alchol.

 

[Insaanah]

Jesus Himself said that nothing that goes into a man can make him impure, because it goes to his stomach and then back out his body. Rather, Jesus intelligently pointed out that rather it's what comes out of a man that makes him impure, because it comes from the heart

I didn't say anything about humans becoming impure. I said:

"God didn't change his mind when it came to Christians. Jesus (peace be upon him) came not to destroy the law but to fulfil.

God allowed pure things to be eaten. How a faeces eating animal can be pure is beyond me...

It doesn't matter how cleanly pigs are kept nowadays, thats the innate nature of a pig left to it's own devices."


The Bible contains the following statements regarding pork, the first two of which are clear prohibitions

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you. Leviticus 11:7-8

And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it [is] unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase. Deuteronoomy 14:8

A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels; Isaiah 65:3-4

For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:16-17

I guess you believe in the Bible? It's statements on the matter seem perfectly clear to me.

Peace.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Pork is really unhealthy anyway. It must be haraam for a reason.

 

[Predator]

Swine flu was pathetic. It killed barely a thousand people globally. You can't honestly think it's a good argument against pork can you?

First get your facts right. It killed over 14000 so far and continues to kill at an alarming rate in the areas where its affected and it has not yet subsided and as per WHO estimated to affect 2 billions thats a 3rd of the world population

This is where you should attempt to stop believing everything Middle Eastern folklore tells you and start using scientific analysis.

lol, what Scientific analysis do u want ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig

Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.[22] The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.[23]

Pigs are susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. They have small lungs in relation to body size; for this reason, bronchitis or pneumonia can kill a pig quickly.[24] There is concern that pigs may allow animal viruses such as influenza or Ebola Reston to infect humans more easily. Some strains of influenza are endemic in pigs (see Swine influenza), and pigs also can acquire human influenza.

Pigs can be aggressive and pig-induced injuries are relatively common in areas where pigs are reared or where they form part of the wild or feral fauna.[25]

I've already posted the benefits of pork, it can be healthier than chicken.

Deadly ,you mean , yes the swine flu is deadlier than both SARS and bird flu combined Another dangerous helminthes is Taenia Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Taenia tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ovas present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

I'm not sure if this is true, most likely you've made it up as you seem to be a fan of making things up, but I don't think that has anything whatsoever to do with health or the quality of meat. 'Oh, let's not eat that animal, it's had an evil sex life'.

Wrong , no i didnt made this up. The article is from the medical doctor and preacher himself
http://www.islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm

LOL- I've always been thankful that my education was decent, because this is a good example of education gone wrong.

Well,I am thankful to godfor his guidance and that he didnt make me a pork addict like you who chose to turn a blind eye to this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy6BnK7IRj0&feature=related


and say

and just continues to post pathetic rubbish that pork is safe ,clean and healthy

This kind of attitude reminds me of this verse from the Bible

Matthew 13:14 "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;


Lol , its sad that your "Lord" will once again destroy your favorite food in his second coming and there is nothing any pork addict can do about it

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

 

[Supreme]

The Bible contains the following statements regarding pork, the first two of which are clear prohibitions

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you. Leviticus 11:7-8

And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it [is] unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase. Deuteronoomy 14:8

A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels; Isaiah 65:3-4

For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. Isaiah 66:16-17

I guess you believe in the Bible? It's statements on the matter seem perfectly clear to me.

Peace.

The Old Testament, relevant though it is, contains God's laws with His convenant with the Jews. To be a Christian, it was established by James the Just thousands of years ago that one does not have to become Jewish first, thus we do not have to follow Jewish law.

My family are evangelist and they eat pork. In there church they say nothing about what you should and shoudn't eat.
I went to a church camp before I went back to Islam andd everyone was eatting pork and drinking alchol.

That's because neither alcohol nor pork is forbidden in Christianity.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Question about the halal laws: do you also not mix dairy with meat?

 

[Insaanah]

The Old Testament, relevant though it is, contains God's laws with His convenant with the Jews. To be a Christian, it was established by James the Just thousands of years ago that one does not have to become Jewish first, thus we do not have to follow Jewish law.['

Sorry, my mistake. I always thought Christians claimed to love and follow what Jesus taught! I could have sworn Christians loved Jesus...I must have that wrong!

 

[Supreme]

First get your facts right. It killed over 14000 so far and continues to kill at an alarming rate in the areas where its affected and it has not yet subsided and as per WHO estimated to affect 2 billions thats a 3rd of the world population

And you think that's a lot of people? Compared to other diseases, such as the black death, it is actually the disease equivalent of a worm.

Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.[22] The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.[23]

Pigs are susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. They have small lungs in relation to body size; for this reason, bronchitis or pneumonia can kill a pig quickly.[24] There is concern that pigs may allow animal viruses such as influenza or Ebola Reston to infect humans more easily. Some strains of influenza are endemic in pigs (see Swine influenza), and pigs also can acquire human influenza.

Pigs can be aggressive and pig-induced injuries are relatively common in areas where pigs are reared or where they form part of the wild or feral fauna.[25

Do you eat chicken? Let's use wiki as a source like you did:

Chickens are susceptible to several parasites, including lice, mites, ticks, fleas, and intestinal worms, as well as other diseases. (Despite the name, they are not affected by Chickenpox; the illness is generally restricted to humans.[28])

Some of the common diseases that affect chickens are shown below:

Name Common Name Caused by
Aspergillosis fungi
Avian influenza bird flu virus
Histomoniasis Blackhead disease protozoal parasite
Botulism toxin
Cage Layer Fatigue mineral deficiencies, lack of exercise
Campylobacteriosis tissue injury in the gut
Coccidiosis parasites
Colds virus
Crop Bound improper feeding
Dermanyssus gallinae Red mite parasite
Egg bound oversized egg
Erysipelas bacteria
Fatty Liver Hemorrhagic Syndrome high-energy food
Fowl Cholera bacteria
Fowl pox virus
Fowl Typhoid bacteria
Gallid herpesvirus 1
or Infectious Laryngotracheitis virus
Gapeworm Syngamus trachea worms
Infectious Bronchitis virus
Infectious Bursal Disease Gumboro virus
Infectious Coryza bacteria
Lymphoid leukosis Avian leukosis virus
Marek's disease virus
Moniliasis Yeast Infection
or Thrush fungi
Mycoplasmas bacteria-like organisms
Newcastle disease virus
Necrotic Enteritis bacteria
Omphalitis Mushy chick disease umbilical cord stump
Peritonitis[29] Infection in abdomen from egg yolk
Prolapse
Psittacosis bacteria
Pullorum Salmonella bacteria
Scaly leg parasites
Squamous cell carcinoma cancer
Tibial dyschondroplasia speed growing
Toxoplasmosis protozoal parasite
Ulcerative Enteritis bacteria

Therefore, if you choose not to eat pigs because they are unhealthy, by the same standards you should not eat chicken, as they are equally unhealthy.

Deadly ,you mean , yes the swine flu is deadlier than both SARS and bird flu combined Another dangerous helminthes is Taenia Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Taenia tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ovas present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

You realise just how rare these diseases can be?

Wrong , no i didnt made this up. The article is from the medical doctor and preacher himself
http://www.islamicvoice.com/february.99/zakir.htm

Just as I suspected. An Islamic preacher using arguments against pigs without any scientific sources to back up his claims? How surprising!

am thankful to godfor his guidance and that he didnt make me a pork addict like you who chose to turn a blind eye to this

I could give up pork tomorrow if I believe it'd benefit me in any way, so I am therefore not an addict.

Lol , its sad that your "Lord" will once again destroy your favorite food in his second coming and there is nothing any pork addict can do about it

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

That verse is from the Hadith, hence it means nothing to me or what I believe Jesus will do.

Sorry, my mistake. I always thought Christians claimed to love and follow what Jesus taught! I could have sworn Christians loved Jesus...I must have that wrong!

Did Jesus ever teach against pork? I don't think so.

 

[Insaanah]

Did Jesus ever teach against pork? I don't think so.

Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

 

[Grace Seeker]

Sorry, my mistake. I always thought Christians claimed to love and follow what Jesus taught! I could have sworn Christians loved Jesus...I must have that wrong!

And Jesus never taught that non-Jews have to follow laws that were meant for Jews only. What don't you get about that?!

 

[Grace Seeker]

Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

To quote from one of my favorite movies: "I don't think that means what you think it means."


"To fulfill the law" is NOT synonymous with either "to uphold" or "to keep" the law. What Jesus did in fulfilling the law was to bring it to completion. Well, if you've fulfill the contract on your car and completed making payments, do you keep making payments? If you've completed painting the house do you keep painting it? If Jesus fulfilled the covenant promises made in the Law that Israel shall be a light to the nations by being lifted up on the cross so that salvation is offered not just to the Jews, but to all people who like Abraham come to God in faith, then what purpose is their for continuing to keep doing things that are no longer necessary -- and for those who are non-Jews, never were necessary.

 

[Insaanah]

And Jesus never taught that non-Jews have to follow laws that were meant for Jews only. What don't you get about that?!

Peace, Grace Seeker,

What I don't get (and this could be my own lack of knowledge) is that when Christians are asked about something that the Bible clearly states but Christians don't follow, the answer is sometimes that, "this doesn't need to be followed by Christians".

If people say "but it's in the Bible", the answer from Christians is normally:
"Ah...but James the Just said....", OR
"Ah...but Paul said...." , OR
"Ah...but so and so said..."

To an outsider it seems that Christians use other people's names to justify not following what's in the Bible. That then makes you wonder why the faith is called Christianity if other people's opinions other than Jesus (peace be upon him) are given so much weight, even if what they've said goes against what is clearly stated in the Bible.

In the example of James the Just, Supreme said (in response to the Biblical quotes regarding the prohibition of pork) that, "To be a Christian, it was established by James the Just thousands of years ago that one does not have to become Jewish first, thus we do not have to follow Jewish law."

That is quite a major statement to make. So did James the Just say that and that his been followed even though Jesus (peace be upon him) never said it, or, did Jesus (peace be upon him) actually say it and it has just been paraphrased by James the Just?

Peace.

 

[Predator]

To quote from one of my favorite movies: "I don't think that means what you think it means."


"To fulfill the law" is NOT synonymous with either "to uphold" or "to keep" the law. What Jesus did in fulfilling the law was to bring it to completion. Well, if you've fulfill the contract on your car and completed making payments, do you keep making payments? If you've completed painting the house do you keep painting it? If Jesus fulfilled the covenant promises made in the Law that Israel shall be a light to the nations by being lifted up on the cross so that salvation is offered not just to the Jews, but to all people who like Abraham come to God in faith, then what purpose is their for continuing to keep doing things that are no longer necessary -- and for those who are non-Jews, never were necessary.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Mathew 5:17-20)

In other words there is no heaven for you unless you are better than the Jew and you cant be better than the jews by not keeping the Laws and the commandment the first of which is broken by the trinity

"God" Came For The Jews Only: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)

Where the american anglo saxon there in Israel 2000 years ago ?

Racial Discrimination of "God": "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and
commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any
city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)

According to "God", The Gentiles Are Dogs: "It is not meet to take the
children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." (matthew, 15:26)

Amazingly, Paul went to such extremes that he claimed Jesus destroyed the Jewish Law!

“He (Jesus) brought the hostility to an end, by abolishing the Law of commandments with its regulations”. (Ephesians 2:14)

Needless to say, the passage contradicts Matthew 5:17-20 where Jesus specifically states that he came to preach the Law, not to destroy it.

Paul gave evidence that he was building a new religion, a complete deviation from Jesus’ teachings:

Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: (Romans 15:20)

What is Paul implying here?

If Paul had been spreading the original teaching of Jesus, then “another man’s foundation” would have been the same as his. They would both have been involved in building the same structure. The people who were hearing about Jesus, or rather Christ, for the first time from Paul’s lips, had no means of comparing his account with that of the Apostles who still held to Jesus’ teaching. Paul’s version was the only one to which they had access.

Paul was developing a new religion under the doctrines he was fabricating

 

[Predator]

And you think that's a lot of people? Compared to other diseases, such as the black death, it is actually the disease equivalent of a worm.

Equilvalent of a blue whale, the last one killed 40 million

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/04/28/fast-and-deadly-115875-21314262/

Do you eat chicken? Let's use wiki as a source like you did:
Therefore, if you choose not to eat pigs because they are unhealthy, by the same standards you should not eat chicken, as they are equally unhealthy.

70-450 diseases are caused by pigs .what do you mean by unhealthy ,do the chickens eat anything faeces , filth and other dirt and thus defile themselves.Chickens can be bred in a clean enviroment , unlike Pigs which eats anything including their dead ones and poorly processes the food.
Bird flu has never killed or infected anywhere near what swine flu and other pig related diseases have killed

You realise just how rare these diseases can be?

which is why its do deadly and contagious whenever an outbreak occurs .

Just as I suspected. An Islamic preacher using arguments against pigs without any scientific sources to back up his claims? How surprising!

Not suprising , considering the fact that its mostly the st highepork consumer countries that usually sell wives and daughters to the screen and enjoy watching it and proud of what their wives achieve

I could give up pork tomorrow if I believe it'd benefit me in any way, so I am therefore not an addict.

Yeah but you give r advice that abstaining from pork and honoring God is unnecessary when it infact is necessary.

That verse is from the Hadith, hence it means nothing to me or what I believe Jesus will do.

Did Jesus ever teach against pork? I don't think so.

The Gospels imply that eating pork is forbidden, since Jesus never ate pork and murdered over 2,000 pigs by drowning them in the sea, .He destroyed the livelihood of those people who reared pigs thus punishing them for breaking God's laws .


And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. (Matthew 8:32, Mark 5:13)

He will thus finish what he started in his second coming by punishing people for breaking the Law.