Christian Preacher tells Christians to stop eating PORK

[جوري]

Why do we care so much what the christians do? there is so much to fix in the religion, I hardly think that once they stop their pig eating all will be honk dory .. I think the part about worshiping a man is far worst in my opinion ..
either way.
layes ba3d alkufr zhanb!

 

[Supreme]

Airforce, you should ask Woodrow about the bet he was smart enough not to make with me.

Beyond that, do you believe that this verse is the true word of God? If it is true, is it not also directed at Muslims? Consider what other food is also forbidden in that same passage:
"you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the coney" (Deuteronomy 14:7)
"anything [living in the water] that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean." (Deuteronomy 14:10) This would exclude shrimp, lobster, crab, crawfish, oysters, scallops, mussels, octopus, squid (i.e., calmari), eels, shark, sturgeon, swordfish, catfish,


Then you need to notice a couple of other things about the passage as to why it does not apply to most Christians. The command is written for a specific group of people, not all people. And those people are: Now, out of all the peoples of the earth, do you believe that God chose Gentile Christians to be his treasured possession? That would be the only reason for this passage regarding eating pork (and all the rest) would apply to us. But if you think that this is the word of God for those who follow Islam, then it would apply to you. Not just the not eating of pork, but all of these other things as well.

So, if you believe that this passage is really applicable, I expect to see you arguing against the eating of crustaceans and shellfish as much as you do pork. If you don't, then you are being, as I already said, disingenious in your criticism. But, as for us non-Jews, here is what the passage also has to say: As far as Jews are concerned, us gentile Christians are indeed aliens and foreigners. And by the same word that prohibits Jews from eating this food, we non-Jews may eat it.


But, Airforce, I don't expect you to listen, because you don't really care what the Bible says or how it is to be applied. You only want us to conform to the rules and regulations that you do as a Muslim. You'll argue your point against all hermenuetical rules of interpreation and even just plain common sense. As such, you have gone from one who once had something to say to just a small shrill voice that repeats the same nonsense over and over without any thought or meaning.

When Muslims consider the passage you cited authoritative enough to quit eating shrimp, I'll listen. Until then, Airforce, you are just making noise and continuing to prove you don't know a thing about biblical interpretation.

Grace Seeker, do you ever get tired of repeating yourself? You and I have both explained numerous times to Airforce adn given our perfectly valid (and dare I say intellectually superior) arguments as to why we eat pork, but I suppose credit has to be given to Jesus for predicting such an event:

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

(Mark 4:10-12)

 

[Asian man]

you Christians are making yourselves look like true hypocrites
because u don't do what Jesus told.

 

[titus]

you Christians are making yourselves look like true hypocrites
because u don't do what Jesus told.

I don't recall Jesus ever in the Bible saying not to eat pork.

This thread reminds me of a Muslim I was talking to once that was explaining how he doesn't eat pork and how bad it was for you, how his religion helped to keep him clean and healthy.

This was right before he went to smoke a cigarette.

 

[Italianguy]

I don't recall Jesus ever in the Bible saying not to eat pork.

This thread reminds me of a Muslim I was talking to once that was explaining how he doesn't eat pork and how bad it was for you, how his religion helped to keep him clean and healthy.

This was right before he went to smoke a cigarette.

Jesus never said not to eat pork. It is an Old Testament law.

 

[titus]

I know. I was replying to Asian man who implied that he did.

Old Testament law (and Joel Osteen) also said not to eat shellfish. It also said how to properly sacrifice animals and not to mix wool and linen. I can't wait for Osteen to sacrifice an animal on his next broadcast.

 

[Predator]

Jesus never said not to eat pork. It is an Old Testament law.

He never said you can eat pork either and He even destoyed 2000 pigs
God has one law for all human being and does not have one set of rules for one people and God's law never change.
That would be an unjust God if he judges people differently


And what makes you think the new testament is right when filled with satanic stuff like

(a) "Alcohol is for people who are DYING, for those who are in
MISERY. Let them drink and FORGET their poverty and
unhappiness." (From the "Good News Bible in Today's English") PROVERBS 31:6-
7
Alcohol recommended in preference to water!
(b) "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomachs
sake and thine often infirmities." 1 TIMOTHY 5:23

This thread reminds me of a Muslim I was talking to once that was explaining how he doesn't eat pork and how bad it was for you, how his religion helped to keep him clean and healthy.

This was right before he went to smoke a cigarette.

And this reminds me of scores of christian hypocrite reverends and evangelists who preached about having one wife and then go to prostitutes themselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJrNacEMfU&feature=related

Dont judge islam by muslims , judge by what the religious book preaches , as much as you have bad christians ,we have bad muslims

 

[titus]

God has one law for all human being and does not have one set of rules for one people and God's law never change.

Who said anything changed?

A Christian can argue that the Old Testament laws were for the kingdom of Israel, much the same way that many Muslims argue that certain laws only apply under a true Islamic state.

Dont judge islam by muslims , judge by what the religious book preaches , as much as you have bad christians ,we have bad muslims

First, I am not a Christian.

Second I think you misunderstood my point (mainly because I didn't make myself clear). I have issue with people of any religion trying to justify reasons why there religion tells them to do something when I feel they should simply say "my religion tells me to do it so I do it".

Instead, people try to "prove" that their religion is better because of their rules, and in some cases look down on others for not believing or acting the same way. Eating pork is simply a great example.

Any Muslim (or Jew for that matter) that would say that God made these laws to make them healthier and cleaner, then why would they eat other bad things and do other acts that are much more harmful to their health than eating pork? If people want to ascribe motives to God's laws then shouldn't they put those motives into practice in everything they do? Yet how many Muslims or Jews don't eat pork yet smoke, don't exercise, speed, eat other foods that are bad for them and countless other things that are much more harmful to their health than eating pork?

I find the arguments as to 'why' god made these laws silly and flawed, especially when people don't apply these arguments to anything else in their lives if their holy book did not specifically forbid or allow it.


Why not simply say "the Quran says not to eat pork so I don't eat pork" instead of making specious arguments about God's motives in doing so.

 

[Predator]

A Christian can argue that the Old Testament laws were for the kingdom of Israel, much the same way that many Muslims argue that certain laws only apply under a true Islamic state.

God laws are meant for all human beings .Gods laws will not change as that will only make him to lose credibility.
Could you be a bit more specific about what you meant by "certain laws " ?

Why not simply say "the Quran says not to eat pork so I don't eat pork" instead of making specious arguments about God's motives in doing so.

SWINE FLU IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ALLAH HAS MADE EATING PORK UNLAWFUL
Pork is one of the foods that Allah makes unlawful in the Qur’an. A true Muslim will demonstrate determination in abiding by Allah’s commands and prohibition even if he is unaware of the wisdom behind them. But if Allah so wills He can also show us the wisdom behind the things He has prohibited. The recent rapid rise in cases of swine flu, a lethal disease, is one of the reasons why the eating of pork is unlawful.

Swine flu is a disease caused by the virus “H1N1” and can be passed from person to person through the air. Like the flu virus in human beings, the swine flu virus constantly changes in pigs. Pigs’ respiratory passages contain receptors that are sensitive to viruses such as swine, human and bird flu. For that reason, pigs increase the possibility of new viruses emerging in the event they are transmitted simultaneously. The A/H1N1 virus, a combination of human, swine and bird flu viruses, only appears in the receptors in pigs’ respiratory passages; in other words, pigs serve as hosts for viruses to combine together in. Because human beings have no natural immunity to the virus and since it spreads very fast, the World Health Organization has warned that the disease is about to spread out of control as an epidemic.


One of the most frightening aspects of the disease is that it is the same as the “Spanish Flu” that led to the deaths of more than 50 million people between September 1918 and June 1920. It is the AH1N1 virus that causes the disease in both cases. Spanish flu was also first transmitted to human beings from pigs in America, from where it spread across the world, becoming one of the worst epidemics in history. Therefore, in the event that swine flu cannot be brought under control, there is a danger that it will spread all over the world.

Prophet Jesus will come as a just judge… he will slay the pig and distribute goods and possessions, but because of their abundance nobody will accept them.

This hadith suggests that there will have to be a mass slaughter of pigs in the time of Prophet Jesus Indeed, states may have to resort to the mass slaughter of pigs in order to prevent the spread of swine flu if it becomes an epidemic threatening the whole world. Egypt has in fact already begun slaughtering pigs in order to protect itself against the disease. The hadith of our Prophet (saas) state that it will be essential to slaughter pigs, the source of swine flu, in the same way the authorities dry up the swamps that constitute the breeding grounds of mosquitoes, which also constantly spread disease.



As has already been stated, pigs’ respiratory passages play the main role in the emergence of this dangerous disease. That is just one of the reasons behind Allah’s prohibiting the consumption of pork. There are many other pieces of wisdom behind Allah’s making the consumption of pork unlawful. Some of these may be set out as follows:

Pork contains high levels of sulfur

Since pork contains high levels of sulfur, when it is eaten a large amount of sulfur is absorbed by the body. Excessive amounts may lead to various diseases, such as joint infections when it accumulates in cartilage, muscle and nerves, calcification and hernia. In the event of regular pork consumption, soft connective tissue from the pig replaces the hard cartilage in the body. As a result, the cartilage becomes unable to bear the weight of the body, which in turn leads to joint deficiencies.


Pork contains excessive amounts of growth hormone

Excessive amounts of growth hormone ingested through pork leads to tissue swelling and deformations. It can lead to sudden and extreme fat accumulation. People who eat pork generally have a higher risk of obesity. It may lead to abnormal growth of the nose, jaw, hand and feet bones. The most dangerous aspect of excessive growth hormone is that is prepares the way for cancer.


Eating pork leads to skin diseases

Substances known as “histamine” and “imtidazole” in pork cause excessive itching. They also prepare the way for infectious skin diseases such as eczema, dermatitis and neurodermatitis. These substances also increase the risk of boils, appendicitis, gall bladder diseases and arterial infections. Doctors therefore advise heart patients to avoid eating pork.

Eating pork spreads trichina

Trichina worms ingested through pork enter the blood stream through the stomach and intestines and spread throughout the body. Trichina worms particularly settle in muscle tissue in the jaw, tongue, neck, throat and chest regions. They lead to paralysis of the chewing, speech and swallowing muscles. They also cause vein obstructions, meningitis and brain infections. Severe cases may even end in death. The most dangerous aspect of the disease is that there is no cure for it. Trichina outbreaks have been observed from time to time in Sweden, Britain and Poland, despite tight veterinary controls.

Pork is very fatty and contains poisonous substances

Pork is very fatty. When ingested, the fat enters the blood stream and leads to hardening of the arteries, raised blood pressure and coronary infarct. In addition, pork contains a toxin called “Sutoxin.” The lymph glands have to work extra hard in order to expel these toxins from the body. This manifests as swelling of the lymph glands, especially in children. If the disease progresses, all the lymph glands swell up, temperature rises and pain begins.

These are just a few aspects of the wisdom behind Allah’s making the eating of pork unlawful. Allah is also showing us the wisdom of this prohibition by creating swine flu in the End Times. For a sincere believer, even not knowing why Allah has prohibited anything, his main responsibility is to maintain the bounds set by Him. But with the epidemic over recent days Allah is telling believers of yet another element of that wisdom.

 

[titus]

Could you be a bit more specific about what you meant by "certain laws " ?

Apostasy for one.

SWINE FLU IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ALLAH HAS MADE EATING PORK UNLAWFUL

Really? Where does Allah say this, since you state it as fact and not opinion?

I can show you studies saying that a glass of red wine is beneficial for you, yet Allah forbids it. I can post facts about the nutritional benefits of pork also. I could also post the harmful effects of any meat products, from beef to lamb to reindeer, yet Allah did not forbid any of those.

The fact is that anything that is forbidden or allowed can be portrayed as beneficial or harmful. Trying to "prove" that the laws of your religion are superior based on such facts is a silly exercise in futility.

 

[Italianguy]

Is there a point to this thread anymore?

 

[Woodrow]

Is there a point to this thread anymore?

It gives me something to do. I just red all of the posts and I believe that every thing that needs to be said has been said. so to keep me fromwearing out my delete button


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