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Well in layman terms yes; the definition that you give would be okay.
Now i knew you were going to use this argument, but before you do that let me tell you one thing, some people such as athiest, do not have a soul; in terms of a soul, they dont have one. that is assuming you never come to agreeing on God, now let me ask you one thing mick, do you think you will ever find God? if no and you strongly agree with that like dawkins, then (Allah knows best) you dont have a soul.
Peace be with you my freind.
Well in layman terms yes; the definition that you give would be okay.
Now i knew you were going to use this argument, but before you do that let me tell you one thing, some people such as athiest, do not have a soul; in terms of a soul, they dont have one. that is assuming you never come to agreeing on God, now let me ask you one thing mick, do you think you will ever find God? if no and you strongly agree with that like dawkins, then (Allah knows best) you dont have a soul.
Peace be with you my freind.
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Does that mean I can not go to Hell?
Hi Mick,
Did you understand what i just said?
I dont think you understood, the point is if you are a strong athiest lets say and is always trying to question God, take the perfect example "dawkins" he says things like "my mission is to kill religion" that kind of stuff, then obviously what right do you have to go to heaven? maybe a few such as giving charity etc. but the big fact is that you are ultimalty disobeying your Lord, in which is the important factor in deciding whether you go heaven or not.
Now you say does that mean i can not go to hell? No one is gauranteed to go to heaven exept from prophets, you obviously are not, and you are an ordinary person, who can go heaven or hell, now depending on whether you stay atheist all your life, and are a strong one, then no you are going hell (Allah knows best), but assume you are agnostic, and later find truth in Islam, you will have a very good chance of going heaven hopefully, as one good point about you is that you are a peacfull athiest, and not so much of an extremist such as dawkins.
Peace, let me know if you get what i said.
Did you understand what i just said?
I dont think you understood, the point is if you are a strong athiest lets say and is always trying to question God, take the perfect example "dawkins" he says things like "my mission is to kill religion" that kind of stuff, then obviously what right do you have to go to heaven? maybe a few such as giving charity etc. but the big fact is that you are ultimalty disobeying your Lord, in which is the important factor in deciding whether you go heaven or not.
Now you say does that mean i can not go to hell? No one is gauranteed to go to heaven exept from prophets, you obviously are not, and you are an ordinary person, who can go heaven or hell, now depending on whether you stay atheist all your life, and are a strong one, then no you are going hell (Allah knows best), but assume you are agnostic, and later find truth in Islam, you will have a very good chance of going heaven hopefully, as one good point about you is that you are a peacfull athiest, and not so much of an extremist such as dawkins.
Peace, let me know if you get what i said.
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Allah does not force anyone to submit to Him. He has layed out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways (Heaven or Hell). The person is always free to make his or her own choice. There is not complusion in the way of "Islam." Whoever choses to worship Allah without partners and is devoted to Him and is obeying His commands as much as possible, has grasped the firm handhold that will never break. Whoever denies God and choses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell).
Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Quran: "Whoever seeks a religion or way of life other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter". I would rather lose anywhere, but not lose in the hereafter. This is because Hellfire is eternal. It never ends, and we never die when we go there, if we go there.
So breaking it down a person who doesn't accept Islam doesn't have a chance A person who does has a chance
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Ok. lol. Ya, I get that, and had gotten that. I just got all confused when you said I didn't have a soul. What did you mean by that?
*As you can see I am both agnostic and an atheist.*
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Hello, when did i say you dont have a soul? i dont remember that, as Only Allah the creator knows that, i gave an example such as dawkins, who is a very strong extremist athiest, who is much more likely not to have a soul, than someone who is an agnostic loving athiest...
Peace brother.
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The closest I can come to in the way of evidence for the Fitrah is the sense of 'returning home' that has been described by those converting/revertubg to Islam. They themselves have said that it felt as though they were returning to their natural state when they converted/reverted to Islam. I know at least two people who have described this feeling, one of whom is brother Woodrow who said somewhere that it just 'took him a long time to realise that he was a Muslim'.
Greetings, I see you are a new member, I hope you enjoy your stay in the forum, and that it is benifical to you.
Ok, but would you please care you elaborate?, you could do this by telling us what way of life you have; as you mention "other" in your profile. This could support your claims.
Peace, hopeing to see more of you
Ok, but would you please care you elaborate?, you could do this by telling us what way of life you have; as you mention "other" in your profile. This could support your claims.
Peace, hopeing to see more of you
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So Jews and Christians go to Hell? Even though I live a Godly life I am going to burn in Hell? I am not trying to start anything, I am just dumbfounded.
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I really don't care which, even though I'm a born muslim, but people got to keep this in mind that repetition on new muslims as being converts or reverts, whatever rocks your boat, should immediatly stop and ask yourself till when are they going to be called a convert or a revert and start to be called muslims instead?
Greetings,
Well that depends on what your definition is of a christian, because if it means one who follows in the way of christ aka Jesus PBUH, then they have a chance obviously in heaven, as they do good deeds. In Islam you have to follow God, and what the prophets have commanded; which were commanded by God that is.
That could be your ticket to heaven, God is all forgiven.
Well first off the word "burn" well i am not sure of that, secondly only God knows that answer.
In not trying to start anything you mean an "argument" but let me tell you this, my respone is not there to discourage you from responsing back, we should talk; this way we can get others to the what people think is the "right path"; whether that being correct or not, can only be found through dialouge.
Peace, and i dont think we have met before so i would like to say hope you are doing well.
Well that depends on what your definition is of a christian, because if it means one who follows in the way of christ aka Jesus PBUH, then they have a chance obviously in heaven, as they do good deeds. In Islam you have to follow God, and what the prophets have commanded; which were commanded by God that is.
That could be your ticket to heaven, God is all forgiven.
Well first off the word "burn" well i am not sure of that, secondly only God knows that answer.
In not trying to start anything you mean an "argument" but let me tell you this, my respone is not there to discourage you from responsing back, we should talk; this way we can get others to the what people think is the "right path"; whether that being correct or not, can only be found through dialouge.
Peace, and i dont think we have met before so i would like to say hope you are doing well.
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Nice to meet you, I just did not want to offend anyone I did not think you were trying to start an argument. I do not believe God sends people to Hell I believe people do that themselves by living the wrong kind of life , making the wrong choices and above all else not worshipping God.
Greetings Ragdoll,
Its great to have a person like you on this forum, I also do agree with what you have stated above; "its you whos makes the decision on wheter you go to heaven or no",
Peace, talk to you soon.
Its great to have a person like you on this forum, I also do agree with what you have stated above; "its you whos makes the decision on wheter you go to heaven or no",
Peace, talk to you soon.
Yes sister, I mean muslim by definition; as you know, means one who surrenders thier will to Almighty Allah, so you can call yourself muslim, but your not really abiding with the definition of it, so ultimatly you arent a muslim.
l0l off-topic but ill carry on
its ok, I mean i got a lot of revision; so not willing to play, when exams are over, thinking of starting membership, and also i got the botting equipment ready, so i will probabily do a skill to 99 aswell.Peace, how is Monk Shakur doing?