Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist

[Roasted Cashew]

Sorry, I don't do youtube. Any idiot can put anything up.

Didn't I say it is the exact DVD posted there. Not some home made garbage as you may say. Then, do yourself a favor and buy the DVD. It would broaden your perspective. What a shame. :-[

 

[abdurrahman96]

Brother, would you bother to prove it. Any Hadiths? And if you say it's out of context than pls provide the context. Otherwise, this is baseless rambling.

You can ask an Imam or scholar where you live. If a muslim insults the Prophet S.A.W. he left the fold of Islam and should be executed. Same goes for the kaffir. I dont know the exact number of the hadeeth from top of my hadeeth. The hadeeth of a old blind man who killed the slave girl who curses the Prophet S.A.W. even after the old man had asked. Then next day the Prophet S.A.W. asked who did this the old man says his story. The prophet S.A.W. let him go.

 

[wilberhum]

You can ask an Imam or scholar where you live. If a muslim insults the Prophet S.A.W. he left the fold of Islam and should be executed. Same goes for the kaffir. I dont know the exact number of the hadeeth from top of my hadeeth. The hadeeth of a old blind man who killed the slave girl who curses the Prophet S.A.W. even after the old man had asked. Then next day the Prophet S.A.W. asked who did this the old man says his story. The prophet S.A.W. let him go.

Kind of like kill those who don't respect Islam.

That results in no one respecting Islam.

 

[Intisar]

I, as most, don't care what Islam says.
We care what Muslims do.

That's a very odd statement to make.

Basically, you think what a few Muslims do, is an accurate representation of an entire religion? If all people thought like you, then Islam wouldn't be the fasting growing religion in the world (alhamdulilah that most people don't).

I think that's very stupid of someone to believe, because obviously the people don't accurately represent a religion, you have to find out what it really is for yourself.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I, as most, don't care what Islam says.
We care what Muslims do.

That's a very odd statement to make.

Not at all. Most of the people in the world are not Muslims. Therefore, to them, the teachings of Islam are not of great personal importance.

However, despite not being representative of true Islam, there do exist people who describe themselves as Muslim and then cause violence, believing themselves to be serving the will of Allah. That is the problem, not Islam itself.

Basically, you think what a few Muslims do, is an accurate representation of an entire religion? If all people thought like you, then Islam wouldn't be the fasting growing religion in the world (alhamdulilah that most people don't).

I think that's very stupid of someone to believe, because obviously the people don't accurately represent a religion, you have to find out what it really is for yourself.

That's not what wilberhum said, though. You're putting words in his mouth and then refuting a view he never claimed to hold. See here.

Peace

 

[Intisar]

^Nonetheless, one of the main reasons stopping you from embracing Islaam is how ''Muslims'' act, right?

The Muslims of today are a far cry from the Muslims of the Prophet's (SAWS) time. No one condones what they do under the premise of Islaam, many carry out attacks for the honour of their countries. But nationalism is haraam, no? They're under the impression that they will die as shaheeds and land themselves a stop in Jannah, when in fact that only works if your cause is for the sake of Allaah alone (fisabililah).

So to let the way in which Muslims act be an accurate representation of an entire deen is more than ridiculous, imo.

Ironic, 'cause you('d) probably feel the same with the way people feel about Americans.

 

[abdurrahman96]

Kind of like kill those who don't respect Islam.

That results in no one respecting Islam.

These fraud liberal minded muslims are giving out a false image of Islam to disbelievers. These muslims do this for the sake of dawah. Recently, I heard a scholar in UK attack another scholar for saying homo sexuals are punished in Islam with dead. This so called scholar later in the lecture added if we attack homo sexuals why will they choose islam? Agian he is trying to give out a false image of islam to homo sexuals. Why would they choose to stay muslim after finding out they will be killed?

 

[abdurrahman96]

Sister-Ameena if you are going to remove the statement made towards that person atleast remove his quote aswell. The rest was not meant for him.

 

[Intisar]

Sister-Ameena if you are going to remove the statement made towards that person atleast remove his quote aswell. The rest was not meant for him.

Wilberhum's wasn't disrespectful, yours was. And I only deleted the portion of your reply that was.

 

[Cognescenti]

That's a very odd statement to make.

Basically, you think what a few Muslims do, is an accurate representation of an entire religion? If all people thought like you, then Islam wouldn't be the fasting growing religion in the world (alhamdulilah that most people don't).

I think that's very stupid of someone to believe, because obviously the people don't accurately represent a religion, you have to find out what it really is for yourself.

That seems an odd statement to make. Why should he have to find out for himself. He already says he makes judgements based on the actions of those who profess a belief in Islam. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Let's say I am a fisherman in Central Africa and my buddy is eaten alive by a crococile. Now, on holiday, I see a Nile crocodile, who is insulted by may apparent alarm and states, "Sir, I am a Nile crocodile, the stupid Lake Victoria crocodiles are not true crocodiles. You are ignorant in the way of crocodiles. You need to study the Crocodile Field Manual."

It seems to me the Nile crocodile is the one with the work to do, not the fisherman.

 

[Intisar]

^Like I said before, if the majority of people thought like you, then Islaam wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

^Like I said before, if the majority of people thought like you, then Islaam wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world.

But since it is NOT the fastest growing religion in the world...
Aynway, I think the way you think. If I wanted to convert I'd study the religion rather than its followers.

 

[Cognescenti]

^Like I said before, if the majority of people thought like you, then Islaam wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world.

Huh? Was that comment directed at me? I accept your claim that mainstream Islam does not embrace violence. I think I know now why so many of my posts are being deleted recently :giggling:

Perhaps I was being too subtle. All I am saying it is not the responsibility of non-Muslims to disabuse themselves of innacurate notions that they have learned from those claiming to follow Islam. If those notions which you find inaccurate offend you, then you guys need to fix it.

 

[Fishman]

That seems an odd statement to make. Why should he have to find out for himself. He already says he makes judgements based on the actions of those who profess a belief in Islam. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Let's say I am a fisherman in Central Africa and my buddy is eaten alive by a crococile. Now, on holiday, I see a Nile crocodile, who is insulted by may apparent alarm and states, "Sir, I am a Nile crocodile, the stupid Lake Victoria crocodiles are not true crocodiles. You are ignorant in the way of crocodiles. You need to study the Crocodile Field Manual."

It seems to me the Nile crocodile is the one with the work to do, not the fisherman.

Muslims are not a single organisation, able to regroup themselves and spread better ideas, but western people have the very dangerous preception that Muslims can respond to events as a whole. Islam is fragmented now and is unable to control its own movements. But the western politicians can't seem to grasp this, and get increasingly frustrated with the lack of Muslim action, even though nothing can be done.
To make matters worse, the western world is still trying to live in an outdated, simplistic world where ideologies battle it out with tanks and missiles. Politicians constantly go on about trying to stop Islamic extremism, how they are fighting ideological battles in people's minds, and how extremists are brainwashing young people. They are wrong, and if they continue like this, they will be dead wrong. Extremism is not an ideology like fascism or communism or democracy. Neither is it the same as the ideologies of states like Iran and Saudi Arabia. If they continue pretending it is these things rather than trying to understand, they will lose. Extremism is not an ideology with teachings and principles, it is a demonic thing of anger, hate and the desire for revenge. Terrorism is made by hatred and anger, not by thought.


Truth is, the beast rules the world now. Hate doesn't die when hit by either cluster bombs or rocket-propelled grenades, it only grows stronger. The beast isn't something you can hunt and kill. It is inside all of us.

 

[wilberhum]

These fraud liberal minded muslims are giving out a false image of Islam to disbelievers. These muslims do this for the sake of dawah. Recently, I heard a scholar in UK attack another scholar for saying homo sexuals are punished in Islam with dead. This so called scholar later in the lecture added if we attack homo sexuals why will they choose islam? Agian he is trying to give out a false image of islam to homo sexuals. Why would they choose to stay muslim after finding out they will be killed?

But it is your statements that caused the post. not that of a "fraud liberal minded muslim". You should reread what you posted. :uuh:

 

[wilberhum]

That's a very odd statement to make.

Basically, you think what a few Muslims do, is an accurate representation of an entire religion? If all people thought like you, then Islam wouldn't be the fasting growing religion in the world (alhamdulilah that most people don't).

I think that's very stupid of someone to believe, because obviously the people don't accurately represent a religion, you have to find out what it really is for yourself.

I think czgibson summed it up quite well.

To challenge what I never said is quite odd.

 

[guyabano]

^Like I said before, if the majority of people thought like you, then Islaam wouldn't be the fastest growing religion in the world.

Islam is far away to be the fastest growing religion. **Link removed my a mod** if somebody like to read, pm me for the link, where this quote is from.

Muslims often brag and gloat over news of non-muslims converting to Islam, but they don't tell other side of the story where muslims are leaving Islam in droves. There are more muslims leaving Islam than new converts joining Islam. Muslims are leaving Islam in millions, which is unprecedented in the history of Islam. This page will contain news relating to "Muslims Leaving Islam" and links to Testimonies of Muslims who left Islam and converted to other beliefs.

Fact is that Islam is growing fast due to a huge number of new born babies in muslims families in 3rd world countries

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

just a note for those who don't know - wiki islam is not wikipedia. (i was confused when i first ran in to it)

here is their own description:

Description
An anti Islam wiki.

The purpose of WikiIslam is to help Muslims leave Islam. WikiIslam can help Muslims leave Islam either by showing Muslim visitors a side of Islam that they may have never seen before, or by being used as a reference by non-Muslims who are trying to help Muslims leave Islam. WikiIslam:FAQ

 

[guyabano]

Sure, an Pro-Islamic website would also never admit that muslims might leave their religion. But fact is, it happens, and not only few do it.

As I said before already, it is just actually fast growing Religion because of new born kids into muslim families but converts to Islam are not more today than in the past.

Peace

 

[SirZubair]

This really saddens me. Muslims get so angry and violent because of a pen and a piece of paper?

Guys,.. Girls,.. Islam is a Religon. It is not a tribe. Drop the tribal attitude.