David Cameron to force shut down of 'extremist' mosques

[Misbah0411]

I was born UK and I'm revert but its getting scared living here nw..we have racist groups andnow there gonna targeting mosques?!..they say islam about peace but there targetting mosques and madrassers. closing down islamic schools, where is it gonna end?ill be glad when i move to nice islamic country.

It's not going to be any better in the U.S. if that idiot Trump gets elected. Many Muslims are waking up from their secular slumber party and coming back to the Quran and Sunnah and yearning to establish Shariah back on earth. They realize Democracy is utter nonsense, man-made laws don't fulfill justice and the societies of the West are becoming more immoral. The disbelievers do not fight Islam because its a religion, they fight it because its also a socio-economic and political system of life that governs all of man's needs. The allies of the Shaytan vs. the allies of the Merciful. This is the natural confrontation that is suppose to happen towards the end times.

 

[_E_3]

I am ashamed to be born an non Muslim , i was born here and lived my life here
what they plan to do is immoral and its people like David Cameron and others like him who makes me ashamed of this country:facepalm:

 

[EgyptPrincess]

It's not going to be any better in the U.S. if that idiot Trump gets elected. Many Muslims are waking up from their secular slumber party and coming back to the Quran and Sunnah and yearning to establish Shariah back on earth. They realize Democracy is utter nonsense, man-made laws don't fulfill justice and the societies of the West are becoming more immoral. The disbelievers do not fight Islam because its a religion, they fight it because its also a socio-economic and political system of life that governs all of man's needs. The allies of the Shaytan vs. the allies of the Merciful. This is the natural confrontation that is suppose to happen towards the end times.

Trump is such a troll. I honestly for the life of me cannot believe how stupid the american people are who voted for him :Emoji7: I can't see him ever actually being elected, I think it's just hype. Like a TV show...

You dodged my question by the way. Do you think IS are the best of Muslims? Is this really the environment you want to bring your kids up in?

I could not imagine living in an environment where I cannot leave the house with my husband and have to wear a burka and cannot get a job or an education. Alhamdulillah I don't live there and Inshallah IS are defeated soon along with Assad and Syria can sleep peacefully once again.

 

[Serinity]

Now the kuffar are trying to define the religion for us?!

Nay, we will never let them, they are only trying to make us go back on our heels to disbelief, so we'd be like them. But that won't happen.

Islam is more than just religion, it governs all aspects of life, to court, to government, to how people should behave, talk, etc.

Every rule in Islam is for our own benefit.

 

[Misbah0411]

You dodged my question by the way. Do you think IS are the best of Muslims? Is this really the environment you want to bring your kids up in?

I could not imagine living in an environment where I cannot leave the house with my husband and have to wear a burka and cannot get a job or an education. Alhamdulillah I don't live there and Inshallah IS are defeated soon along with Assad and Syria can sleep peacefully once again.

I didn't dodge anything because I don't know. I will tell you that I don't take for truth what the disbelievers say about them in the Mainstream Media or the hypocrites that permeate this Ummah. I am not going to talk bad about those that could be the Mujahadeen fighting for the sake of Allah. For the Mujahadeen are the best of creation and those closest to Allah. Who else are trying to establish the pure Shariah of Allah on earth and not compromising with their deen? Does the Islamic State come off as harsh. Yes. Do they have reasons to do so. Allah Alim. You don't know either because you get your information from Western Media like I do. But the difference is I take their news with a grain of salt.

 

[Serinity]

I didn't dodge anything because I don't know. I will tell you that I don't take for truth what the disbelievers say about them in the Mainstream Media or the hypocrites that permeate this Ummah. I am not going to talk bad about those that could be the Mujahadeen fighting for the sake of Allah. For the Mujahadeen are the best of creation and those closest to Allah. Who else are trying to establish the pure Shariah of Allah on earth and not compromising with their deen? Does the Islamic State come off as harsh. Yes. Do they have reasons to do so. Allah Alim. You don't know either because you get your information from Western Media like I do. But the difference is I take their news with a grain of salt.

True, especially knowing how the disbelievers in Mecca at the time of the Prophet SAW, who defamed the Prophet SAW etc. Persecuted them, and even lied to the Christian King, Negus (afaik)

Perhaps they are doing the same here. Perhaps they are forced to fight back. Allahu alam.

I will stay neutral, cuz:

A. IS may be right.
B. May be wrong.

Because: Idk. Therefore I will just follow Islam, and leave the rest to Allah SWT.

 

[Misbah0411]

There is such a dislike for those that strive in the cause of Allah amongst those Muslims with weak iman, who are ignorant of their Deen, the hypocrites, the palace scholars and the Modernist Deviants that want to be so much like the kuffar in their customs, laws and behaviors that when the Mahdi comes he will most likely also be rejected by the Muslims for striving to fight the Dajjal. They will tell him, "hey stop, there is only "defensive Jihad" or we are living in the "Meccan Phase" or Shariah is not applicable in the 21st century blah, blah, blah. I wonder if they will also do the same with Isa, son of Mary, a.s. when he comes to finish off the Dajjal and all the fitnah he will bring.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Who else are trying to establish the pure Shariah of Allah on earth and not compromising with their deen?

Compromising their deen? What deen is that exactly? Because every major scholar has rejected them and condemns them. Even Sheikh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi rejects them and he is a direct descendent of the prophet pbuh so I have no idea who you're listening to or what you think you know but when every major scholar and every Islamic country on the planet denounces them, they're probably not the good guys. I mean I'm not an expect but the evidence seems pretty overwhelming to me.

Sure you have your odd scholar here and there who agrees with them but you also have your odd American who agrees with the KKK.

Yeah, I'm sure everything they do is a lie portrayed by the western governments... Seems legit. What about Al-Jazeera? They're not western and when they report the same stories as western media, it's hardly fabricated.

Do they (IS) believe what they're doing is good and that they're the best of Muslims? Probably, this does not mean it's correct.

Do I want them to be killed? No.. I'd rather they just stopped and assisted the FSA in toppling Assad, but if killing them is the only option then so be it.

By the way have you every asked yourself why no country implements the Sharia fully? It's because a tiny percent of the Muslim world actually want it.

You act like IS are fighting for all of the Muslim Ummah lol... When 99.9% of the muslim ummah doesn't even agree with them haha. Cmon bro open your eyes. :uuh:

Lastly if you're all for the Sharia why not move to a country which implements at least some of it? Like Saudi Arabia or heaven forbid IS itself. You'll soon realise just how much you prefer kufr land It may be corrupt, it may be immoral, it may be non islamic but there's a reason you've stayed in the west... it's because deep down it's not as bad as some make it out to be.

 

[muslimah_B]

There is such a dislike for those that strive in the cause of Allah amongst those Muslims with weak iman, who are ignorant of their Deen, the hypocrites, the palace scholars and the Modernist Deviants that want to be so much like the kuffar in their customs, laws and behaviors that when the Mahdi comes he will most likely also be rejected by the Muslims for striving to fight the Dajjal. They will tell him, "hey stop, there is only "defensive Jihad" or we are living in the "Meccan Phase" or Shariah is not applicable in the 21st century blah, blah, blah. I wonder if they will also do the same with Isa, son of Mary, a.s. when he comes to finish off the Dajjal and all the fitnah he will bring.

What are palace scholars ?

I agree with you but you have to admit there are muslims out there who are commiting atrocities and use the name of Islam as their defence, it isnt just the media talking about them, but also muslims in that paticular country speaking out against them, others are for them...
We dont know as we arent over there witnessing it first hand, but we cannot deny these things are happening against muslims aswell..
Eg suicide bombing - where is that allowed in sharia or the rules of warfare which are very explicit.
Even Allah says we are not to kill ourselves

It was narrated from Thaabit ibn al-Dahhaak (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills himself with something in this world will be punished with it on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5700; Muslim, 110.*

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.And whoever does that in aggression and injustice - then We will drive him into a Fire. And that, for Allah , is [always] easy. [4:29-30)

Those who are just defending their country and their people, driving out the enemy... perfectly fine as long as the rules of warefare as per sharia are met.

Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) instructed his soldiers:

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan*Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari,*Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad*Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan*Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan*Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they*commit*evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

 

[muslimah_B]

Compromising their deen? What deen is that exactly? Because every major scholar has rejected them and condemns them. Even Sheikh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi rejects them and he is a direct descendent of the prophet pbuh so I have no idea who you're listening to or what you think you know but when every major scholar and every Islamic country on the planet denounces them, they're probably not the good guys. I mean I'm not an expect but the evidence seems pretty overwhelming to me.

Sure you have your odd scholar here and there who agrees with them but you also have your odd American who agrees with the KKK.

Yeah, I'm sure everything they do is a lie portrayed by the western governments... Seems legit. What about Al-Jazeera? They're not western and when they report the same stories as western media, it's hardly fabricated.

Do they (IS) believe what they're doing is good and that they're the best of Muslims? Probably, this does not mean it's correct.

Do I want them to be killed? No.. I'd rather they just stopped and assisted the FSA in toppling Assad, but if killing them is the only option then so be it.

By the way have you every asked yourself why no country implements the Sharia fully? It's because a tiny percent of the Muslim world actually want it.

You act like IS are fighting for all of the Muslim Ummah lol... When 99.9% of the muslim ummah doesn't even agree with them haha. Cmon bro open your eyes. :uuh:

Lastly if you're all for the Sharia why not move to a country which implements at least some of it? Like Saudi Arabia or heaven forbid IS itself. You'll soon realise just how much you prefer kufr land It may be corrupt, it may be immoral, it may be non islamic but there's a reason you've stayed in the west... it's because deep down it's not as bad as some make it out to be.

Sis i have to disagree with you on the sharia point....
The sharia is the law of Allah and it may seem *harsh* in certain aspects but who are we to question what Allah says or prophet mohammed s.a.w says in regards to hudud..
No country on this earth follows the sharia correctly, the appointed judge selected has to have absolute astounding knowledge of Quran sunnah fiqh EVERYTHING and ontop of that have a beautiful character, that when giving judgements does not rely on how they feel but only on what the law states.
People have a misconception about the whole process of sharia even muslims themselves believe the western way it is potrayed when it is far more complex than they know.
Lets say for instance someone is caught stealing people think the hand is automatically cut off... NO they go through a trial witnesses are brought foward and the acussed has a chance to say his case, if for instance he stole as he has no means to feed his family and is not able to provide, he will not have the hudud punishment, he may be let go, fined or imprisoned.
The sharia is beautiful and not black and white as people make it out to be

Western countries people dealing drugs get more jail time than people who murder, rape, and touch children..
Sharia now, these people wouldnt see the light of day or be executed

 

[Misbah0411]

Al-Jazeera is corrupt. Like I said, I am not going to speak ill of those who may be Mujahadeen. A Muslim is no Muslim who does not want to be governed by the Law of Allah. A Muslim is one who submits his will to the Will of Allah. Allah's Will is for us to be governed by His Law. Not Democracy, communism, socialism and every ism under the sun. I was born in the U.S. and a revert. But where am I going to go to live in a Muslim land that implements Shariah? I would need a sponsor to live in Saudi Arabia. I would get arrested like many others to make hijrah to the I.S. The rest of the Muslim countries live under secular law like the U.S. I don't prefer Dar ul Kufr. I would have no problem living under Shariah because I try to implement Shariah to the best of my ability on myself. I don't go out in society after work because of the fitnah. I am not like you, Al-Hamdulilah. And instead of worrying about the issue of the Islamic State and who of the Muslims scholars say about them or how the Muslims don't want to live under Shariah, you should get your affairs in order and drop that kaffir boyfriend that you have been having a relationship with and focus on learning your Islam and the concept of Wala and Bara. Your response in this thread is not surprising considering the nonsense you have been posting the past month.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan*Abu Dawud).

They've burnt to death a dozen people so far. Every execution video is different and now they even have children as young as 11 executing enemies. Prophet Muhammad instructed us to treat a prisoner well. Instead they blow their heads off, literally with cable wire around their necks, they drown them, burn them alive, and even kill the very people who go out there to document and raise awareness to the horrors of the Syrian Regime.

They detonate suicide vests at football stadiums in Iraq... There is not even western people there! Only Muslims... They make car bombs outside a cafe in Baghdad just a few days ago killing 15 Muslim football fans...

They are the worst of Muslims and most scholars agree.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Al-Jazeera is corrupt.

ah yes.. everything is corrupt, everyone is corrupt, CIA and NSA everywhere in every media outlet.

Listen to yourself... This is what not being educated does to you. It makes you think the whole world is against you and turn you into a paranoid hater.

 

[EgyptPrincess]

No country on this earth follows the sharia correctly, the appointed judge selected has to have absolute astounding knowledge of Quran sunnah fiqh EVERYTHING and ontop of that have a beautiful character

Like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi and his measly 5 year degree lol? What about the scholars who study for 17 years?!

 

[Misbah0411]

"They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path)" (2:18)

 

[muslimah_B]

Like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi and his measly 5 year degree lol? What about the scholars who study for 17 years?!

Judges are chosen by the people of knowledge they have to come to a consensus , no-one can self appoint themself....
no a 5 year degree would qualify one to be a Alim or Alima.. not a judge... a judge will know islam inside out arabic inside out...
a judge will be judging important issues which can include hudud punishments wich can be execution, amputation and exile etc , you need years of solid understanding of every single thing that makes islam... islamic law is a very hard subject as there are so many different situations that can arise and they must use their judgement accordingly or they may face the wrath of Allah which is why their character counts just as much as their knowledge

 

[EgyptPrincess]

Judges are chosen by the people of knowledge they have to come to a consensus , no-one can self appoint themself....
no a 5 year degree would qualify one to be a Alim or Alima.. not a judge... a judge will know islam inside out arabic inside out...
a judge will be judging important issues which can include hudud punishments wich can be execution, amputation and exile etc , you need years of solid understanding of every single thing that makes islam... islamic law is a very hard subject as there are so many different situations that can arise and they must use their judgement accordingly or they may face the wrath of Allah which is why their character counts just as much as their knowledge

This is what I am saying sister, Baghdadi appointed himself and nations, scholars and the vast majority of the ummah / Ulema do not recognise him as any sort of leader or caliphate. He thinks because he has 5 years of knowledge from Baghdad university that he qualifies for such a role. Imam Shafi' studied the religion for 17 years... There are several scholars who have 15+ years of Islamic teaching who openly condemn IS so how some can sit here and think that IS and their Kim Jung-Un style leader are legit is laughable.
@Misbah0411 So you're saying you're scared of the U.S government that they might imprison you for trying to go? Real believers in IS would swim to Syria's shores or die trying. You're just using "getting caught and imprisoned" to excuse yourself from even trying. Now I'm not encouraging you do go there of course but don't pretend to yourself it's for any other reason other than you're scared of making that kind of commitment. Be honest to yourself because Allah knows the true reason why you don't go.

 

[Bhabha]

First of all, "precision" bombing is not precise at all. Secondly, where they drop these bombs remains the after effect of depleted uranium that is toxic in the short term and long term for people, animals and wild life that feeds off the water and the soil.

 

[Serinity]

Beware of the media, the communists back in the day deluded their people and controlled the media, and used propaganda to demonize the Nazis, etc.

What about today? Perhaps they are even more professional in cheating us. Consider that IS may be good, and that they are on Haqq, what would you think of the Media?

The ones who control the media, are the same people who allow immoral stuff, like sodomy, illegal sexual intercourse, prostitutes, rapists, etc. free. The rapists are not punished with due punishment, etc.

How could you then trust them?

 

[Misbah0411]

If Muslims can be deceived and misguided by the Mainstream Media of the kuffar then how easy will it be when the Dajjal comes with his false miracles and "solutions" for mankind. Secondly, there are a lot of Muslims living in the West who are put off and attack the Mujahadeen because they don't want the Mujahadeen making waves for them and they feel compelled to distance themselves and appease the kuffar so living in their comfy delusional lifestyles won't be disrupted in any way. I got news for all of us. Allah will continue to humilate us by the hands of the disbelievers until we wake up from our slumber and return to the Deen in full submission. It will continue to get worse for the Muslims living in the West. It is a trial and a test for all of us. Some of the Muslims will falter and some succeed. May Allah keep us all steadfast in our Deen.