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Here is the answer of your doubt, again from Risale-i Nur by Said Nursi:
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Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but [he is] the Messsenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets,(33:40)
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Zayd realized that Zaynab had been created with an elevated character different to his and that it was in her nature to be a prophet’s wife. As a spouse he found himself unequal to her and this caused incompatibility, so he divorced her. At God’s command, His Messenger (Upon whom be blessings and peace) took her. That is, as indicated by the verse,

We joined her in marriage to you,(33:37)

which shows that it was a heavenly contract, ....

In order that [in future] there may be no difficulty to the believers in [the matter of] marriage with the wives of their adopted sons
(33:37)
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.... Since according to this the public find it inappropriate that a prophet should take the believers’ daughters in marriage, the Qur’an repels such doubts,



I will say the logic of your argument looks good, and I can partially agree with you on this. However according to the Bible, Mark 10:2-10 and Luke 16:18, Jesus has said (against the popular view of the time), that what God has put together let no one take apart, and if a man divorces his wife and take another woman, he commits adultery, and said the same on woman.

That is all OK (as people all sin, and David, the best king of Jews, did the same sin in secret and God exposed him on that). However Muhammad made a Surah on it, which is much more serious, How can God directly contradict on himself? The word of God, who transcends time, does not change, and no one can modify it.
 
Dear DC

One of the things the Qur'an teaches is that prophets spoke to the cultural context in the age to which they were called.

Be careful how you stitch otherwise different pieces of clothes together to construct your seamless garment.
 
2. The part of Allah's 3 daughters is a well known incident where in ealier years of Muhammand's life he preached Allah has 3 daughters (intersessions is to be hoped for, Sura 53, 19-20. ). Muhammad justified this with other Sura (22:52).

What are you talking about? Surat An-Najm? None of the messengers ever preached that Allah has any offspring of any kind! Please do not repeat lies you've read about what the messenger of Allah preached. I understand that you are just learning but do not repeat falsehood without doing research. In Islam we don't believe in demi-gods. Islam is a purely monotheistic religion.

If you actually picked up a copy of the Quran, where those names are mentioned, you would have come across this verse too:
"They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers -for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance."

Secondly, in Surat Al-Haj, that verse that you quoted is talking about people who hear the words of the messengers of God but they end up twisting it up and misunderstanding what is being said so as to cause people to stray from the path of God.

Allah tells us in the Quran:
"And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination."

You will find in the Quran, Satan did say:
[4:118-119]..."I will surely take from among Your servants a specific portion. And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah ." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss.

Slitting the ears of cattle is an old superstition that Pagan Arabs used to follow.

People who don't truly have faith in God can use that to cause trouble within the community by intentionally misinterpreting verses or following their own desires instead of what God has instructed them to do. Giving into the suggestions of Satan. People who are true and faith won't even entertain the idea but strive to continue on the straight path. Again, read the rest of the verses:

22:51 But the ones who strove against Our verses, [seeking] to cause failure - those are the companions of Hellfire.
22:52 And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.
22:53 [That is] so He may make what Satan throws in a trial for those within whose hearts is disease and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension.
22:54 And so those who were given knowledge may know that it is the truth from your Lord and [therefore] believe in it, and their hearts humbly submit to it. And indeed is Allah the Guide of those who have believed to a straight path.
22:55 But those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt of it until the Hour comes upon them unexpectedly or there comes to them the punishment of a barren Day.

These three names are also talked about in an earlier chapters of the Quran:
[4:117] "They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan."


Did you know that some of the Jews also used to worship a goddess called Asherah? In some areas they went so far as to say she was the wife of God, astaghfirullah. The messengers came along to correct them from doing this. It's actually mentioned in the Bible in Deuteronomy and Judges.

3:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Israelites did evil in the eyes of the Lord; they forgot the Lord their God and served the Baals and the Asherahs.

Baal was an ancent fertility god they used to worship but also believed to be a demon according to some cultures.

12:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.

16:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God,


Understand that Muhammad, peace be upon him, was sending a message of monotheism to a people who had been worshiping multiple gods for centuries. The concept of messengers and One God was foreign to them.

You might also do well to pick up a book about the life of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. In this thread I've seen you numerous times parrot the misconceptions and misinformation that islamophobes put out there on the internet as if it is fact when it is not. If your true intention is to learn then you must not come here with baseless claims and present them as fact. I get that it's tough when you're doing research but if you want, members here can provide you with valid sources on any questions or concerns you might have about his life and teachings.

I want to make sure you get a fair chance at learning like the members here gave me when I wanted to learn about Islam as a Christian.
 
Greetings dcalling,

Apologies as I didn't get round to replying earlier.

First, Quran was finally codified by Uthman, and he ordered all other copied destroyed (so there are other copies).
The revelation of the Qur'an was completed during the lifetime of the Prophet :saws:. It was written down in its totality and numerous Companions had memorised all of it. Not only was the Qur'an continually being recited in prayers and always being learnt and taught, but every year in the month of Ramadhan, the Prophet :saws: would recite the Qur'an to the Angel Gabriel :as: (the same angel who brought down the Qur'an from Allaah :swt:), and Gabriel would recite it back to him. In the year that the Prophet :saws: passed away, the Angel Gabriel :as: went over the Qur'an with him twice, and this last rehearsal was in the presence of one of his Companions, Zayd ibn Thabit :ra:. This same Companion was involved in the later tasks of compiling the Qur'an between two covers and during the time of Uthman :ra: when he needed to make official copies. Moreover, the other Companions were present throughout these later periods and were consulted concerning even such minor details as the spellings of certain words. When Uthman :ra: sent the official copies to different provinces, he also sent proficient reciters of the Qur'an to teach the people.

If we look at the history of the Bible, we see a stark contrast. At the outset, many authors - the very sources of the scripture - are unknown. Much of the Bible did not even exist during the lifetime of Jesus :as:. And no criteria seems to exist concerning the people entrusted with the task of compiling it, other than their claim of being inspired.

This very brief comparison should make it very clear which book is preserved and which is not.

However on one account his killing of Jewish tribe of Banu turns me off, they did surrender,
Another favourite of anti-Islamic websites. We've had numerous threads on it:

Banu Quraiza
The Jews of Medina
[post] Important questions for experts on Islam
[post] The Bible not corrupted?
[post] Can non-Muslims be considered innocents?


And lastly, he killed people even after they surrender,
I think the above links address this. You may also browse the links in this post, detailing the mercy and profound teachings of the Prophet :saws:. Now let's see what the Bible has to say:

 
I will say the logic of your argument looks good, and I can partially agree with you on this. However according to the Bible, Mark 10:2-10 and Luke 16:18, Jesus has said (against the popular view of the time), that what God has put together let no one take apart, and if a man divorces his wife and take another woman, he commits adultery, and said the same on woman.
Firstly, Muslims believe that the teachings of Prophet Jesus :as: have been corrupted over time and that the true teachings have not been preserved. Secondly, the law given to the Prophet Muhammad :saws: abrogates laws given to earlier Prophets. For this reason, quoting a Biblical teaching does not apply in this discussion.

Please read the following, taken from:http://en.islamtoday.net/quesshow-14-943.htm


The Prophet's Marriage to Zaynab bint Jahsh

As we shall see, the story of Zaynab is actually a good piece of evidence for the genuineness of the Prophet (peace be upon him), not for his insincerity like Orientalists and some Christian missionaries like to claim.

Zaynab bint Jahsh married the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in 5 AH, when she was thirty-five years old, but only after her previous marriage, which had been arranged by none other than the Prophet (peace be upon him), had ended in divorce. Zaynab bint Jahsh was the cousin of the Prophet (peace be upon him). She came from one of the noblest families of Quraysh and was expected to marry a man with the same high social status.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) knew that piety and not social status was the primary consideration in marriage. He wanted her to marry Zayd ibn Hârith, a former slave of Khadîjah who the Prophet (peace be upon him) had freed and adopted as a son at the age of eight.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had watched both Zayd and Zaynab grow up, and thought they would make a good couple and that their marriage would demonstrate that it was not who their ancestors were, but rather their religiousness that mattered. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) asked for her hand on behalf of Zayd, Zaynab’s family were shocked at the idea of her marrying a freed slave. Moreover, Zaynab had wanted to marry the Prophet (peace be upon him) and in fact her family had already offered to marry her to him.

At first Zaynab refused. Zayd also had reservations about the idea. However, when both he and Zaynab realized that there was no difference between what the Prophet (peace be upon him) wanted and what Allah wanted, they both agreed to the marriage. The Prophet provided a dowry for Zaynab on Zayd’s behalf, consisting of ten dinars, sixty dirhams, a veil, a cloak, a shirt, and a considerable amount of food and dates.

The marriage, alas, was not a success. Zaynab and Zayd proved to be incompatible for each other. After about a year, problems arose between them and Zayd complained about her to the Prophet (peace be upon him), who told him to stay with his wife and fear Allah.

Zayd asked the Prophet (peace be upon him) for permission to divorce Zaynab on more than one occasion, and although the Prophet (peace be upon him) advised Zayd not to divorce her, the divorce ultimately took place. The Prophet (peace be upon him) was then ordered by Allah to marry Zaynab, which he did in 5 AH.

The custom among the pagan Arabs was that an adopted son was like a person’s real son. He carried his adopted father’s name and inherited from him. Islam overturned that custom. Islam, we must understand, came to safeguard lineage. A man may adopt a child and take care of him, but that child cannot assume the lineage of his adopted father. He must retain his own family name.

Allah says: “Nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is only your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells you the Truth, and He shows the right way that is correct. Call them by the names of their fathers: that is more just with Allah. But if ye know not their father’s names, (then they are) your brothers in faith, or your wards.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 4-5]

By marrying Zaynab, the Prophet (peace be upon him) demonstrated in the clearest possible way that in Islam an adopted son is not the same as a natural son and that the guardian of an adopted son is permitted to marry a woman who was once married to that adopted son.

As for the verse itself, Allah says: “And (remember) when you said to him on whom Allah has bestowed grace and you have done a favor: ‘Keep your wife to yourself, and have fear of Allah.’ But you did hide in yourself that which Allah will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas Allah had a better right that you should fear Him. So, when Zayd had completed his aim with her, We gave her to you in marriage, so that there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 37]

Ibn Jarîr narrated that `A’ishah said: “If Muhammad were to have concealed anything that was revealed to him of the Book of Allah, he would have concealed the verse: ‘But you did hide in yourself that which Allah will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas Allah had a better right that you should fear Him’.”

Allah had already revealed to him that Zaynab bint Jahsh was going to be one of his wives. The Prophet (peace be upon him) did not speak about this matter. Then Allah revealed this verse.

This verse is clearly not the statement of a false Prophet making up verses trying to justify his desires. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) had ulterior motives, he could have gone about the matter in a much more subtle way and gotten what he wanted. Instead, he was put on the spot to do something he otherwise would not have wanted to do. The last way we would describe the situation of the Prophet (peace be upon him) here is to call it “convenient”.

This, however, was from Allah’s wisdom. If the Prophet (peace be upon him) had only said to the people that since adopted sons are not true sons, therefore men may marry the ex-wives of their adopted sons, it would not have had the same effect. Cultural practices and taboos are quite strong. For instance, as Muslims we all know that race and ethnicity are not important. However, we can see the problems that almost invariably arise when a Muslim girl wants to marry a Muslim boy from a different ethnic background. Therefore, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was commanded to marry her by way of example.

In the very next verse, Allah continues: “There can be no difficulty upon the Prophet in what Allah has obliged him to do. That was Allah's way with respect to those who have gone before. And the command of Allah is a decree determined.” [Sûrah al-Ahzâb: 38]
 
dcaller,

It is quite clear that this thread is not for asking sincere questions about Islam, rather it has become a place for throwing around anti-Islamic allegations. This is not an appropriate way of learning about any religion and you are doing yourself a great disservice by visiting anti-Islamic websites. Please start with the fundamental teachings of Islam and learn about it from trustworthy sources. Read a good translation of the Qur'an and ask Muslims regarding any questions you may have. Feel free to browse the Discover Islam section where you can find many useful discussions with Christians asking questions about Islam.

This thread is now closed.
 
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