Defending G-d

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

So when Propeht Moses as, punished his people for worshipping other than god,,is wrong?

Is he not defending GOD?

Would you be more happy if they just worshipped the golden calf and never learn of the 10 commandments?

Hmm,,i would say that trully you are a follower of man religion..not Gods.

Do you also accept gay and lesbian as your faith leaders?

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

5. Sacrificing to false gods was a capital crime in the Old Testament (Exodus 22:20).

7. Blasphemy, or cursing God, warranted the death penalty (Leviticus 24:10-16,23)

8. The false prophet, specifically one who tried to entice the people to idolatry, was to be executed (Deuteronomy 13:1-11), as were the people who were so influenced (Deuteronomy 13:12-18).

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1974

So in all cases you are supposed to defend GOD,but here you are saying you need not.

As a countrpoint,if you do not need to defend GOD,and you feel that you are a "little old me" powerless and so on..

Why then are you so excessive in your support for Isrelais evil actions?
Infact why do you support the Israel?

In the past you siad it is for the return of your messiah,meaing you want your messiah to come but on the other hand do not do as god command..

Is that not a contradiction??

 

[wilberhum]

where did you get this from? no seriously, do you think this is what us muslims mean when we say defend?

well?

I think some Muslims mean "It is saying to the offender that they are wrong". But I also think some Muslims mean "to cause physical harm or death".

Not all Muslims think alike just not all agnostics think alike.

I defend, as long as physical saftey if not at risk, by "saying to the offender that they are wrong".

I noticed that you never answered the question. So how do you define defend?

 

[Zone Maker]

I would like to share this poem (don’t know who the poet is):

ومن لم يوق الله فهو ممزق
ومن لم يعز الله، فهو ذليل

ومن لم يرده الله، في الأمر كله
فليس لمخلوق إليه سبيل.​

Wish a brother or sister can translate it.

 

[lavikor201]

Salaam,



http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1974

So in all cases you are supposed to defend GOD,but here you are saying you need not.

As a countrpoint,if you do not need to defend GOD,and you feel that you are a "little old me" powerless and so on..

Why then are you so excessive in your support for Isrelais evil actions?
Infact why do you support the Israel?

In the past you siad it is for the return of your messiah,meaing you want your messiah to come but on the other hand do not do as god command..

Is that not a contradiction??

Those are punishments for Jews, first. Second, you show your lack of understanding in the matter of Zionism and the Moshiach, so please state how you came to your conclusion.

Please tell us.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Those are punishments for Jews, first. Second, you show your lack of understanding in the matter of Zionism and the Moshiach, so please state how you came to your conclusion.

Please tell us.

Salaam,

Again,you forget,irregardless of who Blashemy the punishement is death.

8. The false prophet, specifically one who tried to entice the people to idolatry, was to be executed (Deuteronomy 13:1-11), as were the people who were so influenced (Deuteronomy 13:12-18).

I am happy that you did not challenge the verses that command you to defend GOD.

So here i am asking you..

You say you want to support Israel,and want your messiah to return..

But yet disobey GOD,but aking up rules that God has set.

Are you following your religon or God's?

An do asnwer me,do you support gay/lesbian as your head of faith? or any faith leader?

 

[lavikor201]

Again,you forget,irregardless of who Blashemy the punishement is death.

Right, and? What does this have to do with the land of Israel and the Moshiach. I agains ask you to state your position and show me how you came to this conclusion based on the Jewish texts.

Thanks.

But yet disobey GOD,but aking up rules that God has set.

How am I "akin" up rules?

An do asnwer me,do you support gay/lesbian as your head of faith? or any faith leader?

Of course not, but I do not support putting them to death, or lighting them and there posesions on fire either.

 

[Pygoscelis]

i also find it incomprehensible that god (or the prophet) need defending, tho certainly people have a right to speak up or correct ignorant accusations if they feel insulted when someone insults their religion, and there really is no excuse to insult another religion.
all 3 of the "western" religions have the blasphemy concept, which i also don't understand.

It really depends on what you mean by insult. I'm not going to go around making fun of muslims for their beards or turbans etc, but I will say "There is no Allah" or "Religion does more harm than good" and some will see that as grave insult.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Right, and? What does this have to do with the land of Israel and the Moshiach. I agains ask you to state your position and show me how you came to this conclusion based on the Jewish texts.

Thanks.



How am I "akin" up rules?



Of course not, but I do not support putting them to death, or lighting them and there posesions on fire either.

Salaam,

I guess i would have to piece this together for you huh.

Well either you do not wish to comprehend or you would rather be disdainful..

It is simple..

In one hand you hope to do well and pray for your messiah,but on the other hand you "akin"..should be making....new rules to uit you.

So in simple term,what do you think you can disobey GOD in,but still ask him for favours?

In what law are you willing to break in your "little old powerless me" stance,that you are willing to break?

If you wish me to expound further i will ,but i think you should get the general drift.

And despite 3 response,you ahve not asnwered,do you prsonally accept gay and lesbians? in direct contradiction to your book?

Also pls answer do you think that Propeht Moses as was wrong for defending GOD? by cursing his people for worshipping a calf?

 

[lavikor201]

In one hand you hope to do well and pray for your messiah,but on the other hand you "akin"..should be making....new rules to uit you.

So in simple term,what do you think you can disobey GOD in,but still ask him for favours?

In what law are you willing to break in your "little old powerless me" stance,that you are willing to break?

If you wish me to expound further i will ,but i think you should get the general drift.

Please elaborate. Please tell me how I am disobeying the Torah! Please! This ought to be good. Explain to me about what I am doing wrong or how my beliefs run contrary to Judaism.

And despite 3 response,you ahve not asnwered,do you prsonally accept gay and lesbians? in direct contradiction to your book?

Yes I have answered you. I personally do not accept them, but do not wish to kill or care about them either. That is there personal buisness with G-d. Can you read though, my earlier post:

Of course not, but I do not support putting them to death, or lighting them and there posesions on fire either.

Also pls answer do you think that Propeht Moses as was wrong for defending GOD? by cursing his people for worshipping a calf?

No of course not. His actions were not in G-d's defesne though, they were to stop his people from destroying themselves through idolatry which is why the ones who refused to renounce it were killed.

 

[Silver Pearl]

Greetings Lavikor,

I understand where you're coming from in terms of God being all powerful and he does not need our support or defending, he is above that. However, when a believer defends his lord, note that those who do it well are those who defend God through kindness, humility and patience. In the Qur'an in varies places it states; Innallaah ma3a sabireen (God is with those who are patient). I think naturally when we are practicing christians, muslims, jews we presume that if we retaliate with harshness and violence that God will be pleased with us but not necessarily.

Please elaborate. Please tell me how I am disobeying the Torah! Please! This ought to be good. Explain to me about what I am doing wrong or how my beliefs run contrary to Judaism.

I do not think you're breaking any part of your belief, rather you come across as being I-don't-really-care. Nonetheless most if not all practising jews, hindus, muslims stand up and defend God when he is being blasphemised. Do you mean to say that when you were a child and someone insulted your mother/father that you would not defend them to your capability, regardless of the fact that you may have been small? then how is so that your creator does not deserve your support, when he is above all humans you have defended in your life? It shows a sense of love, humility. Having said that I certainly do not think you go against any of your teachings by taking your stand, as far as I know about judaism.

Yes I have answered you. I personally do not accept them, but do not wish to kill or care about them either. That is there personal buisness with G-d. Can you read though, my earlier post:

Of course not, but I do not support putting them to death, or lighting them and there posesions on fire either.

Basically you are against it but you're being politically correct.

No of course not. His actions were not in G-d's defesne though, they were to stop his people from destroying themselves through idolatry which is why the ones who refused to renounce it were killed.

You make a valid point but his action re-inforce his dedication to his lord, commitment. The action of Lot (May the peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him) could be justified in both of our cases. No wrong answer, I say this feels like sitting in a philosophy class.

I apologise in advance if I wrong you with what I have written.

Regards,

Silver Pearl

 

[north_malaysian]

I know that most non Muslims are freaking out because of muslims behaviour defending Islam (burning buildings, people dies)...

But if you can see it happened in the same places/countries.... which is lacked of security, discipline etc ...

There were lots of demonstrations held in Malaysia.. but no building was burnt, nobody is dead... the only injury caused by Malaysian Muslims is boycotting Danish products...

I think the same applies to Muslims in Iran, Brunei, the Gulf, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Mali, Bosnia, Albania, Central Asia etc...

 

[Zulkiflim]

Please elaborate. Please tell me how I am disobeying the Torah! Please! This ought to be good. Explain to me about what I am doing wrong or how my beliefs run contrary to Judaism.



Yes I have answered you. I personally do not accept them, but do not wish to kill or care about them either. That is there personal buisness with G-d. Can you read though, my earlier post:

Of course not, but I do not support putting them to death, or lighting them and there posesions on fire either.



No of course not. His actions were not in G-d's defesne though, they were to stop his people from destroying themselves through idolatry which is why the ones who refused to renounce it were killed.

Salaam,

Well let see,do you read my post on the verses in your book that speak about the punsihment and to defend GOD?

My question is more on do you accept gay and lesbian in your faith,to be priest and so on?

So tell me,if in your view what is the definition of defence?

For me,it is simple,Propeht Moses as borught the peopl out of slavery,miracles was seen by the masses,splitting of the red sea and so on...then when Prophet Moses as went up to commune with God,the people reverted to paganism..worshipping a calf..a golden calf.

And when Propeht Moses as came down,in his horror he saw his people worshipping other and IDOLATORS..

Did he say,,LIttle old me,i cant do anything,should god wish it GOD will punish them.

But instead Propeht Moses as punished them in the name of GOD.

May i ask,is Prophet Moses wrong to punish the people for the Blasphemy and thereby defending the faith?

Or should have Prophet Moses let god punish them..


I have said it clearly to you,
What other laws in your religion would you change to suit yourself but still claim the right of GOD love?

 

[wilberhum]

I know that most non Muslims are freaking out because of muslims behaviour defending Islam (burning buildings, people dies)...

That is not defending, that's distruction and killing.

 

[lavikor201]

Do you mean to say that when you were a child and someone insulted your mother/father that you would not defend them to your capability, regardless of the fact that you may have been small?

Please tell me how you can compare a small child and parent, to human and G-d.

My question is more on do you accept gay and lesbian in your faith,to be priest and so on?

Okay I have said no about three times. Are you going to ask me to do so a fourth?

Did he say,,LIttle old me,i cant do anything,should god wish it GOD will punish them.

But instead Propeht Moses as punished them in the name of GOD.

May i ask,is Prophet Moses wrong to punish the people for the Blasphemy and thereby defending the faith?

Or should have Prophet Moses let god punish them..

Idolatry and insulting a faith are two different things. Very diffferent according to Jewish law.

 

[snakelegs]

It really depends on what you mean by insult. I'm not going to go around making fun of muslims for their beards or turbans etc, but I will say "There is no Allah" or "Religion does more harm than good" and some will see that as grave insult.

actually i agree with your opinion that religion does more harm than good.
i don't believe that "there is no allah" but i see no reason why a person would be insulted by the fact that someone doesn't believe in god.
it's one thing to state your beliefs (or un-beliefs) and another to insult and i think most people can easily tell the difference, so it's not really an issue.

 

[Malaikah]

actually i agree with your opinion that religion does more harm than good.

Would you say that to God Himself though? Would you ask God why He taught humans His religion and tell Him that there was more harm to it than good?

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."

[2:30]​

 

[snakelegs]

Would you say that to God Himself though? Would you ask God why He taught humans His religion and tell Him that there was more harm to it than good?

And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." They said: "Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify You with praises and thanks (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners) and sanctify You." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."

[2:30]​

no - i would not say that to god himself - instead i would ask him why why religions exist and why some would be favoured over others, because this is something i have never understood.

 

[Malaikah]

How did God favour any religion over another? God created ONE religion, and all other religions are man-made, it isn't favouring!

 

[lavikor201]

How did God favour any religion over another? God created ONE religion, and all other religions are man-made, it isn't favouring!

In your opinion.