Defending G-d

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Malaikah said:
What is your opinion?
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That non-Jewish monotheistic religions that follow the seven laws of Noah are valid forms of worship and religion.

Lol, why would it be an opinion. Thats the whole reason there's confusion.
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No, it is an opinion. Here is a quote from the Rambam:

All those words of Jesus of Nazareth and of this Ishmaelite [i.e., Muhammed] who arose after him are only to make straight the path for the messianic king and to prepare the whole world to serve the L-rd together. As it is said: "For then I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech so that all of them shall call on the name of the L-rd and serve him with one accord" in Zephaniah 3:9.

So basically, Islam can very well be a valid form for the goyam (non-Jews) to worship G-d, according to many opinions. The quote above tells us how it is a fufilled prophecy that before the Moshiach would come, the non-Jews would be led to monotheism. (See: Zeph 3:9)

Since the Moshiach has not come yet, we can assume this is because G-d has chosen not to completly fufill prophecy yet.
 
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^But does that mean that Prophet Muhammad was a Prophet or not? Or is Islam still man-made, in your opinion?

If it is still man-made, you are suggesting that there is nothing wrong with humans inventing their own religions.

If his religion was authorised by God, how can God have authorised two religions that contradict each other?
 
Malaikah said:
^But does that mean that Prophet Muhammad was a Prophet or not? Or is Islam still man-made, in your opinion?

If it is still man-made, you are suggesting that there is nothing wrong with humans inventing their own religions.

If his religion was authorised by God, how can God have authorised two religions that contradict each other?
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Oh it is completly man made according to Judaism and I, however, that does not mean that these people were not met with sucess because of the partial fufillment of the prophecy, which still is not completly done yet. The reason there religions are 1st and second largest may be because G-d, but there beliefs are man made in my opinion. Yet still can be valid. Very confusing buissness.

The Rambam might have held that the Muslims did not even realise that the Quran is basically the laws that non-Jews must follow, with a bunch of man made stuff around it.
 
Then why did you say "In your opinion"??

Do you disagree that God only made ONE religion?

Or did you disagree on the fact that God only made one religion and He will only accept that people believe in that one religion?
 
lavikor201 said:
Please tell me how you can compare a small child and parent, to human and G-d.



Okay I have said no about three times. Are you going to ask me to do so a fourth?



Idolatry and insulting a faith are two different things. Very diffferent according to Jewish law.
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Salaam,

So in your own word,you are powerless,and you wont defend your GOD.
Becasue you are weak. A man and not GOD.

Was any of the Prophets in the OLD BOOKS? God?

Were they wrong to take action to punsih and so on?
Were the other men whom were not Propehts wrong fro punishing in defence of GOD?

And you say,Idolatry and insulting a faith is differnet.

May i ask,when the Isrealites worshipped a calf and say you are better than Moses GOD...is that an insult?

Why would they worhsip a calf if in their own mind it is better?
Why would Propeht Moses punish them for their actions...

Defence of the Faith,defence of GOD.
But you wish to not see it the same way..

It seems you follow your own faith,man made,
Again,you seek GOD love bu not follow GOD laws..
 
Malaikah said:
How did God favour any religion over another? God created ONE religion, and all other religions are man-made, it isn't favouring!
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you may know this, but i do not. you have answers. i have questions that have no answers, and i like that because i like questions better than answers.
though i believe in god, i don't understand the need for religion and i can't imagine god belonging to any, let alone any religion having a monopoly on god.
i am just stating my beliefs - not advocating them.
 
So in your own word,you are powerless,and you wont defend your GOD.
Becasue you are weak. A man and not GOD.

Was any of the Prophets in the OLD BOOKS? God?

Were they wrong to take action to punsih and so on?
Were the other men whom were not Propehts wrong fro punishing in defence of GOD?
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There is no law that says when one vocally insults your religion you act with violence.
 
Malaikah said:
Then why did you say "In your opinion"??

Do you disagree that God only made ONE religion?

Or did you disagree on the fact that God only made one religion and He will only accept that people believe in that one religion?
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I believe that G-d will accept others that follow the seven laws even if they do not know they are following the Torah laws for non-Jews, but that is irrelevant. I believe one religious system was G-d made and other were not, but many agnostics, christians, and other beliefs would disagree. I was just pointing that out.
 
lavikor201 said:
There is no law that says when one vocally insults your religion you act with violence.
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Salaam,

[PIE]5. Sacrificing to false gods was a capital crime in the Old Testament (Exodus 22:20).

7. Blasphemy, or cursing God, warranted the death penalty (Leviticus 24:10-16,23)

8. The false prophet, specifically one who tried to entice the people to idolatry, was to be executed (Deuteronomy 13:1-11), as were the people who were so influenced (Deuteronomy 13:12-18).

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So tell me,when you say there is no law,would you deny the above?


Can you tell me,does blashemy be considered as "insult" or maybe "cursing GOD"..

There are 3 laws there,,with the verses required.

I would say that you are going to go by your own way,i would name you as a moderate Judaist...on who follow the religon os his heart and chooses which laws to follow and which to not.

Just like moderate muslim who say that Islam is archaic and the Quran need to be chaged.

Not there a thought,do you think your torah should be chaged to allow gays and lesbian a priest?

An intersting site..
http://www.glbtjews.org/article.php3?id_article=328

http://www.glbtjews.org/article.php3?id_article=368

[PIE]The Conservative Rabbinical Assembly’s Law Committee announced nearly three months ago that Conservative Judaism will ordain homosexual rabbis, and while a lot of ink was spilled explaining this decision and its ramifications, I saw little long-term analysis. This, hopefully will fill that gap. I view the leftward move of Conservative Judaism as a positive development for American Jewry - quite literally, it is the end of the beginning of Judaism in America and now we can finally grow into adulthood as a Jewish community.

[/PIE]
 
Alright first off:

For the crimes mentioned above, they were for Jews, not non-Jews and witnesses were needed, and the criminal had to be told while in the act of commiting the crime it was wrong, for the death penalty to be carried out.

Second:

Conservative Judaism is not a recongnized Halachic movement. It is equal to an Islamic movement that has made a "Fatwa" that pork is Halal.

Orthodox Judaism is the only Jewish movement that follows Jewish law and is recongnized Judaism.
 
Conservative Judaism is not a recongnized Halachic movement. It is equal to an Islamic movement that has made a "Fatwa" that pork is Halal.
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Who made a fatwa like that? Astaghfirullah, thats wrong.
 
IzakHalevas said:
Alright first off:

For the crimes mentioned above, they were for Jews, not non-Jews and witnesses were needed, and the criminal had to be told while in the act of commiting the crime it was wrong, for the death penalty to be carried out.

Second:

Conservative Judaism is not a recongnized Halachic movement. It is equal to an Islamic movement that has made a "Fatwa" that pork is Halal.

Orthodox Judaism is the only Jewish movement that follows Jewish law and is recongnized Judaism.
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Salaam,

Thank you for answering for lavikor,,=almost wanted to give up..LOL

We were never discussing about religious affliation.

Do you or do you not punsih those who blashemy?

Do you refute the command to defned GOD?

Well,lavikor did,how about you?


And for gay/lesbian being accepted only by Conservative Jew...

http://members.aol.com/gayjews/

There are more of such ill website that defy their own book commands..
Google for it

And if case you do not know,even i have heard that if there no more food in the world and your survival depend on it,pork is then allowed,,,but in dire circumstances.

Like no vegetables and so on,,,hey you can be a vegan..LOL
 
Do you or do you not punsih those who blashemy?

Do you refute the command to defned GOD?
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Of course, but Jewish laws on putting people to death to not exist anymore, because the Jewish courts do not exist anymore. When the Moshiach comes he will reestablish this.

If someone tells us a they do not believe in G-d, we shrug and walk away.

As for "Gay Jews", there are "Gay Muslims" to. I can only ask you to read the true and only position of traditional Judaism. Liberal Judaism (reform and conservative) pick and chose what they want to follow so Orthodox opinions are the only reliable ones.

Read these articles:

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=237&o=85374
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=237&o=200585
 
IzakHalevas said:
Of course, but Jewish laws on putting people to death to not exist anymore, because the Jewish courts do not exist anymore. When the Moshiach comes he will reestablish this.

If someone tells us a they do not believe in G-d, we shrug and walk away.

As for "Gay Jews", there are "Gay Muslims" to. I can only ask you to read the true and only position of traditional Judaism. Liberal Judaism (reform and conservative) pick and chose what they want to follow so Orthodox opinions are the only reliable ones.

Read these articles:

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=237&o=85374
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=237&o=200585
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Salaam,

thank for that answer..


[PIE]because the Jewish courts do not exist anymore. When the Moshiach comes he will reestablish this.[/PIE]

So in short when you do not have a court and you hav a book you claim HOLY,you do not follow it.


There forr you are choosing to follow the laws you like but do not follow the law you think do not need.

Would be much appreciated if you can provide the relevant verses that say Judaic laws are suspended till the messiah comes.

[PIE]It is important to note that from the point of view of the practicing Jew, there is no difference between a gezeirah and a Torah mitzvah. Both are equally binding; neither can be disregarded on a whim. The difference is generally in the degree of punishment: a violation of Shabbat was punishable by death under Torah law, while a violation of the gezeirah would result in a less severe punishment.[/PIE]


So are you a practising Judaist?
You you observe the Sabbath?

Did you know the law command your death if you should not.


http://www.jewfaq.org/halakhah.htm
 
So in short when you do not have a court and you hav a book you claim HOLY,you do not follow it.
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The Talmud is also a holy book and it tells us somone can only be put to death under Jewish law when the courts exist. They currently do not. Therefore, just like sacrifices on the Temple Mount can no longer be carried out because the Moshiach must rebuild the Temple, we will have to wait for capital punishment in Judaism to resume as well. Yet it only occured when in action about once a few years.
 
rebelishaulman said:
The Talmud is also a holy book and it tells us somone can only be put to death under Jewish law when the courts exist. They currently do not. Therefore, just like sacrifices on the Temple Mount can no longer be carried out because the Moshiach must rebuild the Temple, we will have to wait for capital punishment in Judaism to resume as well. Yet it only occured when in action about once a few years.
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Salaam,

Wow,thank for that but again may i ask the verse/chapter and link?

thanks..

Also if you can,can you tell me what law is still followed and what laws are not to be followed.

And i wonder,,,,you will follow the laws of your BOOK only when your messiah return.
But not before.

Let me speak bluntly,then do you mean you will be a different Jew later than now?
You will be more observant than now?

This messiah shall casue you to follow all LAWS,which you now choose to abandon.

I guess it is a case of a man who takes drugs,he will continue taking it ,,till his parent come to visit,then the parents leaves,he continues again..

Also i find it curious,some Judasit would inovke the law in the torah,that GOD gave the Jews Israel,,,,and the murder and genocide of paletine is right..
But they forget other laws..
 
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