Defending G-d

[Ummu Sufyaan]

No matter what anyone says about my wife, whom I love dearly, I'm not going to kill them of burn down there house.

I agree with Lavikor, god does not need me to defend me.

where, o where in islam (and iam assuming that both you and lavikor are refering to islam here) does it say that the muslims defend God because he is unable to defend himself. please bring forward to me an ayah, or a hadith where it states this.
as previously mentioned, it is only natural to defend those that you love and respect.

 

[wilberhum]

where, o where in islam (and iam assuming that both you and lavikor are refering to islam here) does it say that the muslims defend God because he is unable to defend himself. please bring forward to me an ayah, or a hadith where it states this.
as previously mentioned, it is only natural to defend those that you love and respect.

I never talk about what Islam says. I talk about what Muslims do.

 

[ranma1/2]

G-d is the greatest. Therefore, when someone insults G-d or a prophet, is it nessesary to respond by being violent. Or even respond at all?

I mean who am I to try and defend G-d. G-d doesn't need me to defend him. He is the greater than anyone who could attack him. Therefore, my philosphy is to follow the laws of Judaism and try to make the world a better place. If someone isnults my religion... so... Big deal. G-d doesn't need me to defend him and his word.

It just seems like a current issue.

i always figrued if god exists it was big enough to take care of itself.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

hi,
like it has been said, it is only natural to defend those that you love. it dosn't negate the fact that they are unable to defend themsleves.

 

[ranma1/2]

How do you define, "Defend"?
Is it saying to the offender that they are wrong?
Or do you defend by causing physical harm or death?

sigh i just realized this is an old thread..

Anyway.. i find it best to defend with facts, evidence etc... or to just ignore.

Its like in school when someone might insult you or your family. Does it matter?

"Yo Mamas so fat....." or similar things are just silly to get upset over.

If it matters to you. Use logic, use evidence, use facts. Dont use anger.

"for anger leads to the darkside...." Yoda...

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

I never talk about what Islam says. I talk about what Muslims do.

and where have mulims ever said that they defend God because He is unable to defend himself......

 

[wilberhum]

and where have mulims ever said that they defend God because He is unable to defend himself......

Why do you question what I never said?
Am I to assume that you think it is OK to kill people because they say "Mohammad .......................... or Allah ................................."?

 

[Keltoi]

Killing anyone with the "justication" that it was "defending" God is just insanity to my mind. Regardless of the religion in question.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Why do you question what I never said?
Am I to assume that you think it is OK to kill people because they say "Mohammad .......................... or Allah ................................."?

no, you never said it, but you did imply it.
you.

I agree with Lavikor, god does not need me to defend me.

me

where, o where in islam (and iam assuming that both you and lavikor are refering to islam here) does it say that the muslims defend God because he is unable to defend himself.

you

I never talk about what Islam says. I talk about what Muslims do.

me

and where have mulims ever said that they defend God because He is unable to defend himself......

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

it's still important that you defend Allah swt's name by correcting whatever that was said by the individuals attacking your religion

Peace

I also believe in what Brother AHMED_GUREY has written, but you should speak to that person in a good way and no matter what they say alwasy treat them kindly and as equals.

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) used to treat everybody the same no matter what religion they belived in and was kind to them too.

Peace to all.

 

[wilberhum]

no, you never said it, but you did imply it.
you.

me

you

me

Since you never answered my question, I will assume the answer is yes.

 

[barney]

Well, would god want people to be violent?
For christians We are taught to attempt to emulate Jesus. Jesus = God.
in the Bible, if you add up the numbers of confirmed killed by his own admission, God kills over 2 million people, Satan kills ten people.

In the Quran by the way, Allah kills 4 people.

So if we are to emulate the God of the bible, it's time for slaughtering people for being ungrateful.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

In the Quran by the way, Allah kills 4 people.

can i have the exact reference for that. :sunny:

 

[YusufNoor]

Well, would god want people to be violent?
For christians We are taught to attempt to emulate Jesus. Jesus = God.
in the Bible, if you add up the numbers of confirmed killed by his own admission, God kills over 2 million people, Satan kills ten people.

In the Quran by the way, Allah kills 4 people.

So if we are to emulate the God of the bible, it's time for slaughtering people for being ungrateful.

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Barney, your "way of life" tag says that you are agnostic, and yet you say we when referring to christians...

does that mean you are not sure if there is a God, but you are positive that IF there was one that it would be Jesus? ^o)

 

[barney]

God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) Genesis 7:23, BT 30,000,000?
God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. Gen.19:24, BT 1000? Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, BT 1
Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1
7th Egyptian Plague: Hail Exodus 9:25, BT 30,000? God kills every Egyptian firstborn child. Ex.12:29-30, BT 500,000?
God drowns Egyptian army Ex.14:28, BT 1000?
God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites Ex.17:13, BT 1000?
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2
A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1
God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100?
God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. Num.11:33, BT 10,000?
God killed those who murmured with a plague. Num.14:35-36, BT 100?
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+
Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250
For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700
Massacre of the Aradites Num.21:1-3, BT 3000?
For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died. Num.21:6, BT 100?
God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive." Num.21:34-35, BT 1000?
For "committing *****dom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+
The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim Deuteronomy 2:21-22 5000?
God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000?
God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000?
Massacre of Jericho Joshua 6:21, BT 1000?
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000
God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Joshua 10:10-11, BT 1000?
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5
Massacre of 7 cities Joshua 10:28-42, BT 7000? 30,768,279
God delivers the Hazorites. Joshua 11:8-12, BT 1000?
Massacre of the Anakim Joshua 11:20-21, BT 1000?
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1
God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000
Massacre of the Canaanites Jg.4:15, BT 1000?
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000
God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter. Jg.11:32-33, BT 1000?
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000
Samson's God-assisted act
Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000
"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100
More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000
For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070
God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12, BT 20
God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other. 1 Sam.14:20, BT 1000?
God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child. 1 Sam.15:2-3, BT 1000?
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33, BT 1
God delivers the Philistines. 1 Sam.23:2-5 1000?
"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1
God delivers the Philistines to David (again). 2 Sam.5:19, 25 1000?
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1
David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Samuel 12:14-18 1
God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. 2 Sam.21:1 5000?
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1
Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." 1 Kings 15:29 1000?
Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." 1 Kg.16:11-12 1000?
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1
Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1
God calls for a seven year famine. 2 Kg.8:1 10,000?
Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1
Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord" 2 Kg.10:16-17 100?
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000
Saul 1 Chronicles 10:14 1
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chronicles 13:15-17 500,000
Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 31,919,765
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1
God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. 2 Chr.36:16-17 1000?
Ezekiel's wife Ezekiel 24:15-18 1
Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2
Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1
Grand Total of Gods killing in the Bible:

32,970,000

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Allah Killing in the koran:
Korah, Noah's wife and son, Lots wife

Total 4

 

[barney]

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Barney, your "way of life" tag says that you are agnostic, and yet you say we when referring to christians...

does that mean you are not sure if there is a God, but you are positive that IF there was one that it would be Jesus? ^o)

LOL! Nope, I say we, as I was brought up Christian, so I have christian teachings as experiences, which i was reflecting upon in the post. I'm also sure that there is a God, and that it is not the God depicted in the organised religions.

 

[YusufNoor]

LOL! Nope, I say we, as I was brought up Christian, so I have christian teachings as experiences, which i was reflecting upon in the post. I'm also sure that there is a God, and that it is not the God depicted in the organised religions.

Peace be upon those that follow the guidance,

thanks for responding. it helps to know where people are coming from when they post stuff.

re: I'm also sure that there is a God, and that it is not the God depicted in the organised religions
take one look at these boards and tell me if you think that Islam is an "organised religion"!

Allah Killing in the Qur'an:
Korah, Noah's wife and son, Lots wife

OK, that's just incorrect. you pro'lly got it from some website. it won't kill you to read the Qur'an!

 

[barney]

Korah's death:
28:79 Then went he forth before his people in his pomp. Those who were desirous of the life of the world said: Ah, would that we had the like of what hath been given unto Korah! Lo! he is lord of rare good fortune.
28:80 But those who had been given knowledge said: Woe unto you! The reward of Allah for him who believeth and doeth right is better, and only the steadfast will obtain it.
28:81 So We caused the earth to swallow him and his dwelling-place. Then he had no host to help him against Allah, nor was he of those who can save themselves.

Noah's Son's Death
11:42 And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. Those who drowned in
the flood were disbelievers.
11:43 He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned

Lot's Wife's Death.
66:10 Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them): Enter the Fire along with those who enter.

I know i was reading about Noah's wife too, but i cant find the passage.
So perhaps it's only 3 people, as Opposed to the Bibles 2.9 million.

Regards

 

[YusufNoor]

Korah's death:
28:79 Then went he forth before his people in his pomp. Those who were desirous of the life of the world said: Ah, would that we had the like of what hath been given unto Korah! Lo! he is lord of rare good fortune.
28:80 But those who had been given knowledge said: Woe unto you! The reward of Allah for him who believeth and doeth right is better, and only the steadfast will obtain it.
28:81 So We caused the earth to swallow him and his dwelling-place. Then he had no host to help him against Allah, nor was he of those who can save themselves.

Noah's Son's Death
11:42 And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. Those who drowned in
the flood were disbelievers.
11:43 He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned

Lot's Wife's Death.
66:10 Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them): Enter the Fire along with those who enter.

I know i was reading about Noah's wife too, but i cant find the passage.
So perhaps it's only 3 people, as Opposed to the Bibles 2.9 million.

Regards

Hey Barney,

not to point out the obvious, but also not to flog a dead horse...

Noah's Son's Death
11:42 And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. Those who drowned in
the flood were disbelievers.
11:43 He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned

soo, noboydy but Noah's wife or son counts??? laying:

Lot's Wife's Death.
66:10 Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them): Enter the Fire along with those who enter.

just in case you were looking for a passage inre: Noah's wife! kay:

also, in your opinion, the total killed in Sodom and Gamorra(sp??) plus the other 3 cities is...ONE?? :shade:

hmmm, actually, assuming your on a internet Qur'an, look up Ad and Thamud for starters.

 

[barney]

Noah's Son's Death
11:42 And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. Those who drowned in
the flood were disbelievers.
11:43 He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned

sorry he's dead.

I did post a thread about the Ark which diddnt show up. The jist of it was . After stuffing the 5 million species of the earth of which mayby 700000 are clean, amounting to a total of 10,600,000 animals inside the Ark, the Ark sailed for 40 days and 40 nights. Lets say that each animal only excretes 25 gramms of solid waste. After 40days and 40 nights, the 3000 ton Gopha wood ark is carrying the 10.g million animals, assuming a average size of a butterfly, that means over 300,000cubic meters of animals in the barge the size of a corvette, would have produced waste dozens of times the weight of the ship.

No worries, after two months it crashlands on a mountain and according to genisis, Noah then goes and sacrifices a pair of each clean animal, Cos God loves the smell of roasted Kangaroo.
As he chases the duck-billed platypus and the polar bears around the desert with his axe, thanking God he has only another 7000000 creatures to waste in a sea of Blood for his creator, Noah thinks to himself.

Phew! Good Job im only 600 years old or i might not have the strength for this.