Ahmad I agree that the bible has been tampered with.
Nicola if what you claim is true, then there would only be one Christian sect today, yet that isn't what we see. (Nicola I expect that you will point out that the differences are simply due to a matter of interpretation, I would have to ask if that is the case then why do the Catholics have a different bible or the Jehovah Witness’’ or the Mormons?)
Ahmad while I agree that the Christian bible has to a degree been tampered with by dishonorable men.
Yet there is more than enough of it intact to be able to judge the correctness of a belief.
To deny that would be to make a man blameless for what he believes.
That was my point to Vpb.
Any true scripture will agree with earlier true scripture. If it doesn't it is a lie.
Jesus was empowered to work miracles yet when he said “before Moses I AM” he was somehow a liar?
I just don’t get that.
The claims Jesus made about himself agrees/completes Old Testament scripture yet somehow he is a liar?
If the Jewish people didn’t understand what he meant by declaring himself the “I AM” then why did they proceed to attempt to stone him?
God empowers no liar to work miracles.
If you disagree with scripture concerning Paul’s and the other apostle’s understandings and teachings, you have to answer as to why.
So far I have yet to see anyone post a good explanation as to the “why”.
One man walks on water and says one thing, another doesn’t and which do you believe God has given power and visions to?
I just don’t get it.
Islam must agree with all the scripture given before it or at least explain why it dismiss’ earlier scripture.
Why were the visions given to Daniel incorrect??????????
I am still studying the link Al-Mu’min provided; perhaps I will find some answers there.
Thanks
Nimrod
Greetings, Nimrod.
Before actually getting down to our response, let us first establish the ground rules. All Bibles in existence today tell us that Christians are taught by Jesus (pbuh) himself:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Mark 12:29-30.
They are also told"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good"1 Thessalonians 5:21 and "For God is not [the author] of confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33.
So, contrary to the teachings of many, Jesus (pbuh) did not want his followers to believe everything they were told on "blind faith." Rather, he wanted his followers to believe "with all thy mind." He wanted us to THINK in order to protect his words from corruption.
Praise be to Allaah (swt). You recognize the fact that the Bible has been tampered with. The point is if it is tampered with in little areas ( i.e. contradictory statements or mistranslation) can it not be misleading in other areas? Areas regarding faith? I seem to think so.
I do not agree with many translations of the Biblical text being that some are deceptive. For instance the KJV Bible says,
In Isaiah 45:7, the prophet describes God's creation plan when he reports that,
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
Understandably, the NIV translators saw fit to alter the prophet's words by rendering the offensive Hebrew word rah as "disaster" instead of correctly translating it as "bad" or "evil." The NIV Bible therefore mistranslates Isaiah 45:7 to read,
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.
According to Christian doctrine, Satan was the highest-ranking angel who, through his own act of spiritual defiance and outright disobedience, became the chief adversary and slanderer of God and the embodiment of evil in this world. In Christian theology God never created evil; He is only the author of righteousness and perfection, as you maintained in your question. Therefore, God could never create something as sinister as the devil himself. Rather, Satan's unyielding wickedness is the result of his own spiritual rebellion.
The fact that Jesus (p) performed miracles, (the same that the Biblical Prophet of the Torah did. Does your Bible not tell you that false prophets have gone out into the world and would perform miracles and decieve the very elect? Miracles do not prove truth according to the Bible. You are using merely your own thinking, we are speaking from the Bible and no other source, brother.
In the Book of Deuteronomy it tells how to discern a false from a true Prophet. If what they prophesize comes to pass it is from God. If otherwise,
they are not.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I (God) command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2
Dr. W Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institute, Chicago, a prestigious Christian evangelical mission, says:
"..Yes, the Bible is human, although some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, have denied this. Those books have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men and bear in their style the characteristics of men...." in "It is Human, Yet Divine" by W Graham Scroggie, p. 17
"It is well known that the primitive Christian Gospel was initially transmitted by word of mouth and that this oral tradition resulted in variant reporting of word and deed. It is equally true that when the Christian record was committed to writing it continued to be the subject of verbal variation. Involuntary and intentional, at the hands of scribes and editors" Peake's Commentary on the Bible, p. 633
Another Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says:
"...Not so the New testament...There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history..." in "The Call of the Minaret," Kenneth Cragg, p 277
Christians are, in general, good and decent people, and the stronger their convictions the more decent they are. This is attested to in the noble Qur'an:
"...and nearest among them (men) in love to the believers will you find those who say 'we are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the messenger (Muhammad), you will see their eyes overflowing with tears for they recognize the truth: They pray: 'Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses'." The noble Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):82-83.
And ALLAAH knows best.
