Discussion with HinduIconoclast

I only like cremation for the practical reasons and not the religious reasons, but if I agreed with other things I could accept it also.

As for circumcision, hijab, etc., I have heard the responses about them from da'ees but I just do not agree wit them, but if you think you can convince me otherwise, please go ahead sister.
 
^^Is that it?

Cremation causes pollution because your constantly burning dead bodies. You're also wasting a lot of wood to burn someone. Imagine how many trees you must be cutting for that. Also you have people dumping the cremated bodies in lakes and things, which is also unsanitary. Burying the dead doesnt cause any damage to anything.
 
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But if you are using a modern incinerator, you are not using wood for burning. Anyway this has got me very interested so I am going to do some more in-depth research on this subject on my own.
 
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But if you are using a modern incinerator, you are not using wood for burning.
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We all know pollution is bad for the environment. We have an incinerator about 30 mins away from our house. Anyways, it still a cause for pollution with all that smoke flying into the air you breathe. God knows what is flying with it.

Anyway this has got me very interested so I am going to do some more in-depth research on this subject on my own.
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Good idea.
 
About the circumcision, HinduIconoclast, let me first tell you that when people were informed about it at the days of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), some of them were already familiar with this, but for those Muslims who were not, how did they accept it, knowing the fact that some of them didn’t know the medical benefits of it, at that time?
They believe in Allah..
They believe that He is the Creator of human..
So, He is the best one Who knows what is beneficial for His creations..

If you search in Google about this topic, you’ll find lots & lots of doctors discussing the benefits of it, and some of the English discussions were written by doctors who are not Muslims, but they realized the importance of circumcision..

Check these:
http://www.circinfo.com/benefits/bmc.html

http://www.missionislam.com/health/circumcisionislam.html




And here: http://www.medicirc.org/
You can click on each age, and read the benefits in that age..


Sorry for putting links, but sure the doctors are better than me in discussing this topic ^^


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circumcision is really advantageous :) Lots of bacterium begins to settle down under the pprepuce. Once there was a school mate of mine who told me that he was cumcised, so I asked him if he was muslim or jew, he said that he had constriction of the foreskin :S So, we see how advantageous the circumcision for men is :)
 
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About the circumcision, HinduIconoclast, let me first tell you that when people were informed about it at the days of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), some of them were already familiar with this, but for those Muslims who were not, how did they accept it, knowing the fact that some of them didn’t know the medical benefits of it, at that time?
They believe in Allah..
They believe that He is the Creator of human..
So, He is the best one Who knows what is beneficial for His creations..

If you search in Google about this topic, you’ll find lots & lots of doctors discussing the benefits of it, and some of the English discussions were written by doctors who are not Muslims, but they realized the importance of circumcision..

Check these:
http://www.circinfo.com/benefits/bmc.html

http://www.missionislam.com/health/circumcisionislam.html




And here: http://www.medicirc.org/
You can click on each age, and read the benefits in that age..


Sorry for putting links, but sure the doctors are better than me in discussing this topic ^^


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Subhana'allah! Sis, these incidents are kinda horrible to think of :S Alhamdulillah, I am circumcised!!
 
This is a sect based only on the qur'an! they do not consider ahadith!


We have to obey Allah ta'ala and the messenger peace be upon him, how can we obey the messenger peace be upon him without consider the ahadidh??!!

O you, those who have faith, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over a thing, then return it to Allah and the Messenger, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more beautiful of interpretation.
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Surah an-Nisa 59


Muhammad, peace be upon him, has not only come to deliver the Qur'an to mankind but also to explain it. Again we have to consider the ahadith!

By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the Reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect.
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Surah an-Nah 44

If a matter has been determined by Allah ta'ala and the Messenger, peace be upon him, there is nothing to do but to obey!

And it is not ever for a faithful man or a faithful woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair that there is any choice for them in their affair, and who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, so he is indeed wandering far astray.
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Surah al-Ahzab 36
 
Please go back to the site and read about the scientific/practical reasons why circumcision is now opposed by many doctors and medical authorities because those are my reasons for opposing it.
 
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Please go back to the site and read about the scientific/practical reasons why circumcision is now opposed by many doctors and medical authorities because those are my reasons for opposing it.
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I've read those quotes :) Are there not also pro-circumcision parties? :) read the scientific and practical facts which the sister posted! ;D
 
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The Qur'an does not mention circumcision at all, only the Hadiths do.

Also, please visit this site:
http://www.quranicpath.com/verses/circumcision.html
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Let me tell you the position of the Hadiths (Sunna). You need to know that there is a group of people who called themselves ( Quranic people ) and the site that you posted was written by them. They don’t believe in anything in Hadeeths; they just take what is in the Holy Quran, and say that the Hadiths are wrong! It’s actually like an artifice to make wrong thoughts for true Muslims..

There were many meetings and symposia among ( Shaikhs ) to warn from this group and make evidences that we have to obey what is in Hadiths as well..

If this group really takes what is in the holy Quran, they’ll read what Allah said in the Holy Quran:

[4:80] Whoever obeys the messenger is obeying GOD. As for those who turn away, we did not send you as their guardian.


[59:7] take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.

The Hadiths are one of the following:
1) assuring of what is in the Holy Quran..
Like the Quran talked about drinking toddy, and then the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) emphasized this issue (exactly the same as the Holy Quran)..

2) explaining what is in the Holy Quran..
The Hadiths explains lots & lots, and we can’t take just the Holy Quran. I don’t know how this group of people can pray without the Hadiths! Because in the holy Quran there is just the command of praying, but then the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) explained exactly how to pray & what are the actions & what shall we say. Or for example, about cleanness, marriage, the specific amounts of money in (Zakaa), and others are in Quran without details and the Prophet (pbuh) explained the details..

3) informing about issues that are not in the Holy Quran..
Such as that the killer can’t take from legacy and many many other things including our issue, circumcision..

& to insure that we have to take these from the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), let me ask you, is it logical that Allah sends a messenger who says wrong things? :astagfiru

Allah says:
[53:2] Your friend (Muhammad) was not astray, nor was he deceived.
[53:3] Nor was he speaking out of a personal desire.
[53:4] It was divine inspiration.
[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.

This insures that we have to take all what in the Hadiths like what is in Quran. The Quran is Allah’s speech.. Hadeeths are Mohammad’s speech which is inspiration from Allah, so both Quran & Hadeeths are like from the same source..


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Assalam aleykoum my brother,

You are making a mistake, you are saying the Hadeeths are here to complet the Quran is that ??

What do you understand in this verse bellow :


Sourate 6

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

38. There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

Do you think that Allah SWT forget many things in the Quran ?


Assalam aleykoum brother, ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us in the right path.
 
HinduIconoclast said:
Please go back to the site and read about the scientific/practical reasons why circumcision is now opposed by many doctors and medical authorities because those are my reasons for opposing it.
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HinduIconoclast said:
Those are refuted in the site whose link I posted. It seems as neither of us will budge on this issue.
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We will reach the truth, if we think logically, step by step :sunny:

If you want a decision from the doctors:
from my links & your link we can found that:

Doctors & scientists didn’t agree; some of them said that circumcision is beneficial & some of them said that it’s not beneficial (as you posted)..

So from them, we can’t decide since we have contradictive opinions.. And it's natural since the minds are different and their intelligences are not the same; human can make mistakes & say wrong things..

But, Mohammad (peace be upon him) commanded circumcision..
Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the messenger of Allah & says inspiration from Allah..
& Allah Has the complete and full attributes & His knowledge is without any wrong thing, He is THE CREATOR, THE GREAT ONE, THE WISE, THE ALL-KNOWING, THE JUDGE & THE TRUTH (these are some of Allah's 99 names)..


So, which group of doctors shall we believe?


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thetruth2009 said:
Assalam aleykoum my brother,

You are making a mistake, you are saying the Hadeeths are here to complet the Quran is that ??

What do you understand in this verse bellow :


Sourate 6

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

38. There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

Do you think that Allah SWT forget many things in the Quran ?


Assalam aleykoum brother, ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us in the right path.
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You are right, thetruth2009, but I am also right :sunny:

Allah says (as you posted):
[6:38] Nothing have we omitted from the Book

& in the Book, Allah also says:
[16:44] And we sent down to you this message, to explain clearly for the people everything that is sent down to them

This is exactly as in my point number 2: explaining what is in the Holy Quran..


& Allah says:
[59:7] take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.

This is exactly as in my point number 3: informing about issues that are not in the Holy Quran..

Is there anything omitted from the Book? No, because even those issues that the Prophet Mohammad said to people, the Holy Quran told us that the Prophet (pbuh) will say them & we have to obey him.. as I worte in the verses above..

So, as Allah said: [6:38] Nothing have we omitted from the Book

Hope you got it, brother :sunny:



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