Early Christianity + Paganism = Modern Christianity

[therebbe]

Of course it's hard. Jews are the chosen people.

Exactly. We demand you actually really want to be a Jew, and we demand that your heart is completly in it, by making sure that even if it is not easy for you, and even if it brings you misfortune for a little bit that you still want to follow the Torah, because to follow all 613 laws are hard at times, and if you cannot wait a year, have patience, and be resiliantly passionate about converting, then you won't have the heart to follow the Torah, and your better of just not converting and following the seven laws, because once you convert there is no going back.

 

[Jayda]

What tribe to you belong to if you convert?

 

[therebbe]

What tribe to you belong to if you convert?

Your just "Israel" part of the nation.

 

[sameer]

1 corinthians 8:4. But as for the meats that are sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one.

I take it that verse is proof that paganism was condemned?
So how then can the church adopt pagan days/methods of worship to justify its own spread? Wouldnt this lead to confusion amongst the followers as to waht is authemtic and what is not?

 

[sameer]

Exactly. We demand you actually really want to be a Jew, and we demand that your heart is completly in it, by making sure that even if it is not easy for you, and even if it brings you misfortune for a little bit that you still want to follow the Torah, because to follow all 613 laws are hard at times, and if you cannot wait a year, have patience, and be resiliantly passionate about converting, then you won't have the heart to follow the Torah, and your better of just not converting and following the seven laws, because once you convert there is no going back.

was this a practice of Moses?

 

[sameer]

Look at a tree, It has a trunk, some branches and some leaves.

But it just one tree.


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How can u use a tree to explain ure concept of God is three?
Isnt it one tree? Dosnt a tree die? or have branches cut of? or the whole tree cut down? Dosent it need a male or female to reporduce?
Please try again.

 

[sameer]

I didn't realise you had to denounce a religion for yours to be valid. I guess that is what Islam is all about though so you expect it, correct? I mean, Islam has to prove and denounce other religions to try and "prove" theres is right.

I personally think your all lost, and its all BS. But that is just me.

Ummmmmm..so if i come to a ppl who worship many gods and say that there is only one God and if u dont follow him i would be in hell, isnt that denouncing their religion? Didnt Jesus/ Moses do that?
U guesss thats what islam is all about or we are all lost? so whats ure reason for sticking around and posting here if think that?

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

I didn't realise you had to denounce a religion for yours to be valid. I guess that is what Islam is all about though so you expect it, correct? I mean, Islam has to prove and denounce other religions to try and "prove" theres is right.

I personally think your all lost, and its all BS. But that is just me.

Youll find out whos lost when you die. I feel sorry for you. It would have been better for you to come to Islam.

Alas, the falsehood is always beautified for the unbelievers. And they let their weak selves and their desires and doubts make the best of them and they sell the Hereafter for this petty world. What an evil bargain.

 

[Jayda]

I take it that verse is proof that paganism was condemned?
So how then can the church adopt pagan days/methods of worship to justify its own spread? Wouldnt this lead to confusion amongst the followers as to waht is authemtic and what is not?

What methods of worship and what pagan days are we talking about?

 

[Jayda]

How can u use a tree to explain ure concept of God is three?
Isnt it one tree? Dosnt a tree die? or have branches cut of? or the whole tree cut down? Dosent it need a male or female to reporduce?
Please try again.

He was illustrating how the trinity is one God... which apparently you understood since you said it is one tree. He wasnt trying to tell you the life span of God or what sex God is by using a tree as an analogy.

 

[sameer]

He was illustrating how the trinity is one God... which apparently you understood since you said it is one tree. He wasnt trying to tell you the life span of God or what sex God is by using a tree as an analogy.

THat does not explain the trinity to me. How about explaining it straight without a poor analogy?

 

[sameer]

What methods of worship and what pagan days are we talking about?

The same thing occurred as Christianity spread..well, was forced on the people's of South America and Mexico. Many of the old Aztec and Maya days of observance sort of blended into a celebration of Christian faith. These people are Catholic to the core, but their customs and expression of faith are different than Catholics in Italy, although many customs are the same.

he only thing they can agree on is that "perhaps" Christianity chose the date December 25th to make Christianity more attractive to those it wished to convert.

^^ those customs mentioned above.

 

[Keltoi]

For me personally, it is the message of a faith that is important, not the "special" days and observances. Some dogma is warranted and necessary, but much of it is not. If people in South America want to worship God a different way than the people's of Denmark, I don't have a problem with that. The core message is the same. For Christians, it is accepting Christ as your savior and living by his message. If you do that, I don't see how it matters if you express this faith in different ways.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Yes, we also believe in one God. That is why the Trinity confuses me since Christians claim to believe in one God as well. Divinifying a man makes things more complicated.

The trinity is nothing more than a basic natural principle, propped up on a pedistal. The idea iself is very simple.

"Point A" travels to "Point B" - but in order to do so, there has to be a path that connects the two. So Heaven and Earth, and the path that connects them.

Ninth Scribe

 

[sameer]

For me personally, it is the message of a faith that is important, not the "special" days and observances. Some dogma is warranted and necessary, but much of it is not. If people in South America want to worship God a different way than the people's of Denmark, I don't have a problem with that. The core message is the same. For Christians, it is accepting Christ as your savior and living by his message. If you do that, I don't see how it matters if you express this faith in different ways.

So all chrisitians accept christ as their saviour and also the Trinity?

 

[Jayda]

THat does not explain the trinity to me. How about explaining it straight without a poor analogy?

...you understood the concept though, what more is there to explain?

I guess to paraphrase your conversation with him...

The three are One God.

But how can three be one?

A tree has branches right?

Yes but thats one tree.

If you want the straight explanation of the Trinity without an analogy then: The Trinity is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One God.

 

[Jayda]

^^ those customs mentioned above.

Okay,

We are told to have no other gods beside God, Jesus said in Matthew 22 that it is the greatest commandment.

If we took pagan rituals or pagan holidays, and changed them so that they now serve the purpose of worshipping and adoring only the One True God, they arent pagan holidays or worship anymore.

 

[sameer]

so the father and son is one? how can a father and a son be classifed as the same thing? dosent a father help to make a son with a mother? so wheres the mother? and what the purpose of God creating a son? and a holy spirit?

 

[sameer]

Okay,

We are told to have no other gods beside God, Jesus said in Matthew 22 that it is the greatest commandment.

If we took pagan rituals or pagan holidays, and changed them so that they now serve the purpose of worshipping and adoring only the One True God, they arent pagan holidays or worship anymore.

by doing this arent u imitating the pagans?
If this was done to make it easier for pagans to accept and live christianity, then wasnt it deceptive to do so? what about quality of faith? wasnt this important?

 

[Jayda]

so the father and son is one? how can a father and a son be classifed as the same thing? dosent a father help to make a son with a mother? so wheres the mother? and what the purpose of God creating a son? and a holy spirit?

I dont know the whys and hows.