For Muslims: Our attitudes towards Kuffars

Grace Seeker said:
And I wonder if those who convert to Christianity from Islam might similary see themselves as totally convinced of its truth with factual evidence as well?

(Not that I am asking you to agree that such a conversion was indeed based on factual evidence, but that you might agree that the convert would see it that way.)
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Maybe. Except the Qur'an has been found to be more of a science book than the Bible :) The Qur'an holds proof which the Bible lacks.
 
RoseGold said:
Maybe, maybe not :) but someone who has reverted to Islam has been totally convinced of it's truth with factual evidence rather than a peaceful experience :)
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Yes, my perception is that the Christian experience is much more emotional and the Muslim one is more intellectual. Islam is much more rational and logical than is Christianity.
 
MustafaMc said:
Yes, my perception is that the Christian experience is much more emotional and the Muslim one is more intellectual. Islam is much more rational and logical than is Christianity.
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Exactly, as a christian any questions are usually answered with "faith". In Islam you have an actual answer which in turn increases your faith :)
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,
RoseGold said:
Maybe. Except the Qur'an has been found to be more of a science book than the Bible :)
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By Muslims.

It's worth remembering that.

Peace
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That may be true, but one thing is for sure. The Qur'an does not contradict Science in any way.

With regards to the topic at hand, I very much echo the sentiment in glo's signature whilst praying that Allah guides us all to the right path.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
Nor does the Bible.
Both books appear to contradict science but according to apologetics, they don't.
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I don't know. I'll agree with Rose that the Bible is not a book of science. I don't think it was ever even intended to be taken that way. Some of the problems with the Christian faith and the history of the church are because some people have misapplied it to say things about the natural world it never really tried to say. And then today people correctly challenge those ideas and say that the Bible contradict science, when in reality the points of supposed contradiction were never meant as as statements of scientific fact to begin with and were erroneously put forth as such when they should not have been.
 
I agree with Grace Seeker on that point. The Bible is about God's interaction with people, not a book about physics, biology, atomic theory, etc. Personally I find it unnecessary when Christian apologetics get into debates about earth science in regards to the Bible.
 
MustafaMc said:
Yes, my perception is that the Christian experience is much more emotional and the Muslim one is more intellectual. Islam is much more rational and logical than is Christianity.
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My perception is that Islam is more about the material and physical world, especially in the context of Paradise, while Christianity is more concerned with eternal salvation and a personal relationship with Christ.

Our perceptions are just that. I would even agree that Christianity is more emotional than Islam. A faith based around a God of mercy who through love experienced torture, suffering, and death to achieve atonement for human beings leads to an emotional spirituality.
 
Keltoi said:
My perception is that Islam is more about the material and physical world, especially in the context of Paradise, while Christianity is more concerned with eternal salvation and a personal relationship with Christ.
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I appreciate your perspective, but I am not sure what you mean by the "material and physical world". Perhaps, you mean the houris (virgins), wearing gold and silk, the drinking of wine and other "carnal" pleasures. My life's goal is much the same as when I was a Christian - achieving eternal salvation and the avoidance of Hellfire. But I won't deny that the image I have of Jannah is infinitely more appealing that of Jahannam.
 
MustafaMc said:
Since you don't believe in Allah, do you believe in another Deity?If you don't believe in Allah, why are you concerned about burning in Hell for eternity? I know some who believe in God, but not in life after death; however, you are the first I have known that believe the reverse. Do you care to explain what you believe?
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I don't believe in God or an afterlife.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Here we go. You say you don't understand what the Quran is saying. Here is an excellent article I have found WITH PROOFS from the Quran explaining the details of this.

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/destiny.htm

In the end you have isolated one verse from the Quran without considering its relationship with other verses on the subject. A poor effort on your part and a common tactic among disbelievers.:cry:
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That article is from a hadith rejector site. I don't think the scholars even see them as Muslim.
 
Aurora said:
I don't believe in God or an afterlife.
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Then what did you mean by, "I was serious and still am about finding the truth; it is not like I want to burn in hell for the rest of eternity." It seems that you are not convinced there is no Hereafter. You may BELIEVE that there is no Heaven or Hell, like in John Lennon's "Imagine", but what IF there really is a God and an Afterlife? What have you done to prepare for that eternal possibility?

Caution has music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0
 
Aurora said:
That article is from a hadith rejector site. I don't think the scholars even see them as Muslim.
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Don't take that site as the ultimate source of course, but I just searched for a minute or two and saw that. The point was that there are answers out there. Look for them.
 
Keltoi said:
My perception is that Islam is more about the material and physical world, especially in the context of Paradise, while Christianity is more concerned with eternal salvation and a personal relationship with Christ.

Our perceptions are just that. I would even agree that Christianity is more emotional than Islam. A faith based around a God of mercy who through love experienced torture, suffering, and death to achieve atonement for human beings leads to an emotional spirituality.
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Just because the Quran integrates the material with the unseen does not mean that it is about only this. It is a common misconception that the material world, which God himself created, is at odds to the spiritual one. Quite the contrary. They both come from the same place, God, so that contradiction is impossible. There are rules of course to be followed and Islam covers that so that we don't become self flagellating monks in a secluded mountaintop.



I disagree with your perception because I feel taht you are focusing on the DOZEN or so material verses and neglecting the THOUSANDS of others relating to the afterlife.


I would counter in fact taht Christianity, with a god that has become human and gets to suffer and such has more to to with the material world than a religion which fobids images of God and the prophets and rejects any material gods.



On the personal relationship part, God describes himself at the beginning of each Surah and has given us his 99 names too in addition to alot of other stuff. A human form of him is not necessary to be personal with your creator who gave you that body in the first place.


A faith based around a god of mercy? Sounds familiar.. oh yea

bismi-llāhi ar-raḥmāni ar-raḥīmi
"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful"

The thing we say before almost every prayer and many Surahs... :rollseyes
 
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An afterthought, Muslims don't generally need to say " God suffered for me" to feel his mercy since our very existence and lives are granted by him.
 
keltoi hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK U! see im not a bigot after all! i have been saying time and time again for Christians its all about how they feel, the emotions etc etc, that feel good happy sad factor that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy.

for Muslims its about truth and evidences and FACTS, not warm fuzzy emotional feelings. :)
 
The_Prince said:
keltoi hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK U! see im not a bigot after all! i have been saying time and time again for Christians its all about how they feel, the emotions etc etc, that feel good happy sad factor that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy.

for Muslims its about truth and evidences and FACTS, not warm fuzzy emotional feelings. :)
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Well brother I must disagree... I also have warm fuzzy feelings in addition to the facts of the Quran but I am not a Christian...
 

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